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Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville or Shot Down.

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posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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The 911 attack was a diversionary operation to camouflage 70 trillion dollars worth of catastrophe bonds & derivative carbon credit trading at the Chicago Merc through KPMG's hedge funds to UN's environmental trust banker Zug (Al Gore & Maurice Strong Generation Investments) during a 30 hr standown of American and Canadian military forces.
The failed attempt of the flight that exploded over Pennsylvania, most likely headed to the Capitol forced Chinese Naval and Russian Air Forces to standown their war games occurring at the same time in the Straights of Formosa and the arctic above Canada.
Operation Mockingbird
www.youtube.com...




posted on Jan, 29 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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3 Minutes in Shanksville


feel free to copy and paste it in this thread for discussion.




posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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I have question to ask you.

I did read several articles back in Septemeber 2001 just few days after Attack has occured. Several victims say that they did received calls from Flight 93. They told victims that there was fight with hijackers on flight 93. Do you believe these stories? For me, I do not believe that someone did received phone calls from Flight 93. Because it is against the law. But, when I was on flight many times. I do see phones hang on every seats in the back. These are use for emergency. Ok. I ask you question. Do you believe these stories are true that the victims did received phone calls from them on Flight 93?

I have hard times to accept these stories.

By the way, I do believe all 4 planes of all passengers were actual killed.

But, Flight 93 is still mystery to me. Because I do not see any debris over there around area. I only see scars of "wings". But, funny, I can easily see the shape of hole as they claim that crash site is. It looks like the face of goat like as Satan worshipping. Because of two sharp points as "wings" look like goat's two horns. Huh? I believe this marked of the hole already exist there long prior 911 Attack occured.

For my theory, what's happened to Flight 93 passengers' bodies. I believe NWO kidnapped them, and killed them somewhere, not around area of crash site in PA.

Tell what do you think of phone calls of Flight 93?



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by DeafPosttrib
Several victims say that they did received calls from Flight 93. They told victims that there was fight with hijackers on flight 93. Do you believe these stories?


there are many anomalies with the phone calls.....and this requires much speculation which i try not to engage in.

Jeremy Glick's Phone Call At 9:37:41 lasts until 11:43:49am.

Todd Beamer's Phone Call At 9:43:48 lasts until 10:49:29am.

Todd Beamer's cell phone continued to call an unidentified residence in new jersey until close to 9:00PM EST, nearly 11 hours after the alleged crash.

Tom Burnett Foundation Transcripts says Tom called his wife 4 times from his cell phone and it was his number and name appearing on the ID while the evidence at the Moussaoui trial states Burnett only made 3 calls and they were from airphones and couldn't have identified him by name.



For me, I do not believe that someone did received phone calls from Flight 93. Because it is against the law.


i believe what you mean is that it isn't possible for a cell phone to connect from an airliner traveling at a high altitude at such a high rate of speed. you are correct.

about 3 weeks ago i attempted to call someone's cell phone who i knew was on an airplane. every 15-20 minutes for nearly 2 hours. it never connected. it never notified them that they had missed calls when they landed.




But, when I was on flight many times. I do see phones hang on every seats in the back. These are use for emergency. Ok. I ask you question. Do you believe these stories are true that the victims did received phone calls from them on Flight 93?


i can't say its not true, i dont know. i know the plane the victims were on didn't crash in that field and for that these families deserve a new investigation. one where eyewitnesses to event are included.


i do not believe there to be one single eyewitness from shanksville whoever spoke in front of the 9/11 commission.


I have hard times to accept these stories.

By the way, I do believe all 4 planes of all passengers were actual killed.


i dont believe any of them are alive either.


But, Flight 93 is still mystery to me. Because I do not see any debris over there around area.


this is a staged scene. it is a fake simulated crash site.



I only see scars of "wings". But, funny, I can easily see the shape of hole as they claim that crash site is. It looks like the face of goat like as Satan worshipping. Because of two sharp points as "wings" look like goat's two horns. Huh? I believe this marked of the hole already exist there long prior 911 Attack occured.


the wings appear to be a drainage ditch. in the 1994 aerial photograph there is a similar ditch but it is in a different location. today, at the memorial, near the parking area there is one of these ditches.

the circular impact in the middle of the ditch which appears to be about 10 feet deep was created by a bomb or missile. the direction of the impact sprayed the explosion towards the tress annihilating the top halves of them and a good majority of the trees in the middle all together creating an overhead "V" indent when viewed through aerial photographs.

if one makes a straight line from the tip of this where the tree destruction ends running the other way they find their blast trajectory which is irreconcilable with the flight path.


For my theory, what's happened to Flight 93 passengers' bodies. I believe NWO kidnapped them, and killed them somewhere, not around area of crash site in PA.


i know wally miller found very few remains at the crash site and they were found the next day and were in plain site. i saw the photographs. 3 seperate sites, no blood. no charred remains either.

the rest were 'recovered' by the fbi and brought into the lab for him to identify.

conveniently enough, they were mostly hands and feet which even caused miller to question why there weren't any torso's or anything else. "the reason given" to miller as he stated, had to do with muscles and tendons making hands and feet more likely to survive than a head, torso, or anything else.

[edit on 30-1-2010 by wholetruth]



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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I would like to add to say something on the scene of crash site of scars such as wings and tail. This photo of big hole with shape. It looks like goat's face with two horns.

Here's the example of link on strange logos on crop fields:

www.cropcircleanswers.com/dexsol_article.htm

This link gives us the idea of Flight 93 crash site scene. This looks like picture of goat face with two horns. It is the symbol of Satan worshipping.

What do you think of the image of 93 Flight's scar on field?

I suspect, that hole was already exist long before 911 Attack occured. I suspect that someone did designed that hole as logo before 911 Attack.



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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wholetruth

We were exchanging posts a day or two ago about the authenticity of UA 93,s CVR.

I said that the authenticity was supported by the fact that it includes communications with Cleveland Air Traffic Control Centre and other planes in the vicinity of UA 93 on 9/11 as recorded on ATC audio tape which is undoubtedly authentic.

You said I have not heard the CVR tape, only read the transcript, which is true. However, there are people who have both heard the tape and read the transcript. Relatives of UA 93 victims, judge, lawyers and jury at Moussaoui trial, judge, lawyers and litigants in civil cases against UA for negligence.

Have you got anything to support a contention that the CVR transcript, as I linked to you, is any different from the original audio tape ?



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
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wholetruth

We were exchanging posts a day or two ago about the authenticity of UA 93,s CVR.

I said that the authenticity was supported by the fact that it includes communications with Cleveland Air Traffic Control Centre and other planes in the vicinity of UA 93 on 9/11 as recorded on ATC audio tape which is undoubtedly authentic.

You said I have not heard the CVR tape, only read the transcript, which is true. However, there are people who have both heard the tape and read the transcript. Relatives of UA 93 victims, judge, lawyers and jury at Moussaoui trial, judge, lawyers and litigants in civil cases against UA for negligence.

Have you got anything to support a contention that the CVR transcript, as I linked to you, is any different from the original audio tape ?



yeah, the plane flew over indian lake.

obviously this transcript isn't authentic.

there's also deborah welsh's husband, who if what you say were true would have been privy to hear that same audio, who says the government is lying.

didn't the families sign a non-disclosure form which prevented them from discussing the acutal contents of the audio recording, correct?



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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alfie,


since you believe the official story to you have an explanation for what flew over indian lake prior to the explosion coming from the direction of the crash site as described by mayor lichty?



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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Excellent contributions to this thread WHOLETRUTH. You have interviewed eyewitnesses and concluded that whatever caused the crater in Shanksville WAS NOT FLIGHT 93 the Boeing 757.

Good work.

Whether or not Flight 93 existed in the Boeing 757 form or continued flying over the crash site is in question but whatever caused that little 10 ft deep crater WAS NOT FLIGHT 93.\\


So therefore the crater a.k.a the Flight 93 crash site WAS NOT CAUSED BY A BOEING 757.

The evidence is pointing to possibly a bomb or missile that caused the small 10ft deep circular crater. The crater was caused by something other than a Boeing 757. Whatever caused the crater had no wings consistent with a Boeing 757. What is usually mistaken for wing scars has been proven countless of times as being present before the crater was created.

God Bless you WHOLETRUTH for your hard work. Also thank you for remaining calm and intelligent in the face of ignorant debunkers and proving them wrong over and over again.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Shadow Herder]



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by wholetruth
3 Minutes in Shanksville


feel free to copy and paste it in this thread for discussion.




Excellent link. Wow!.

This blows the " Official story " out of the realm of considered fact to utter , unbelievable, unbacked, sourceless, overly debunked rubbish.

Spread the word.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Shadow Herder]



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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I think it is IMPORTANT to point out the source of this "3 minutes in Shanksville" nonsense.

Please, pay attention to WHO is involved. The "Citizen's Investigation Team".

Please take the time to assess their veracity, especially as they FAILED so miserably with the 'North of Citgo" argument, at the Pentagon.

There is ample, ample empirical evidence to show that, not only does the "CIT" selectively choose the 'eye-witnesses' that only support their pet theories (whether in Shanksville, PA, or Arlington, VA) they are well known to lead witnesses statements', in other deceptive ways.

The other aspect of the ample, ample evidence to refute just about everything THEY try to spread, in the pathetic lack of actual study and scientific endeavor, is the vast amount of corroborating evidence that shoots them down, time and again...

(and yes, I said 'shoots them down' on purpose...because THEY are the ones who keep going down in flames...)



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 12:09 PM
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I am sure your next post is going to be full of examples, evidence, proof of all of these claims. Surely you someone as bright as yourself understands that just saying things does not make them automatically true and that here on ATS people expect a certain level of backup for claims made. Thanks in advance.



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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A follow up....

I submit, for Moderator's review (and other ATS members) the possibility that the ATS member "wholetruth" is none other than a new username sock for a person who is involved with the website "Citizens Investigation Team".

Since the Pentagon "North of Citgo" debacle, as proposed by this "group", has been thoroughly shown to be in error (due to the better and better American Airlines FDR decode, courtesy of one Warren Stutt) I suggest that this "group" has now resorted to another tactic, and for what reason I cannot fathom (unless it has a profit motive, at its core....)...but that's only a guess, and I would NEVER presume to accuse an ATS member of such underhanded tactics....


Does this run off-topic???

or, IF it were brought up in another thread, specifically, then would not the train of thought that led to this revelation be lost???

Cannot threads intertwine?



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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Merely pointing out that, as seen in other "eyewitness" accounts, when presented with a choice between the capacity for Human memory to be fallible, and the science, and RECORDED by electronic means that refutes that "eyewitness" testimony, I err on the side of science and recorded media.

It could very well be that ATS member "wholetruth" is merely a victim of the "CIT" baloney...so, if I was too rash in accusing ATS member "wholetruth" of any ulterior motives, or agendas, I apologize...just thought it was worth noting as a possibility.

(Goodness knows, I have unjustly been accused of worse!!!!)

Merely seeking the "TRUTH" here.....





[edit on 2 February 2010 by weedwhacker]



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
I err on the side of science and recorded media.


If you only have the correct science and recorded media.


Merely seeking the "TRUTH" here.....


If you were seeking the truth you would have done more research into the,

1. Proper ID of the planes, parts, and FDRs.

2. Proper sources for photos and videos.

Also you would already know all the evidence that shows reasonable doubt in the official story.



posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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Can anyone explain why the people who carried this out would want to fake crash site? Why not just crash the plane, if not into its target then into the ground? They had shown they had the ability to carry this out.

I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear the opinions of those who believe that the site is falsified.



posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by wholetruth

Originally posted by Sean48
Dude , I never said yhis to any OS people before.

You are a bald face Liar.


'dude', i'm not.



After checking out 4 or 5 of these witnesses,

No one SAW anything of the crash.
2 thought it was a missle

1 thought it was a boat explosion



2 thought "what" was a missile?

oh, the plane that came screaming over Indian Lake from the direction of the crash site.

carol thought a boat had exploded in the lake after she heard a plane come roaring overhead.

and as for what you said about barry, instead of quoting the mainstream media i will let people listen to barry himself say it :



starts around 2:46.

you can hear barry talking about what came 'screaming' over his house coming from the direction of the crash site prior to the explosion.

it doesn't matter what he thinks it was.

THE ONLY THING HEADING THAT WAY WAS FLIGHT 93 SO THEREFOR THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAVE FLOWN OVER BARRY'S HOUSE [BY THE MARINA] HAS TO BE FLIGHT 93.


MOST of them report a small plane taking off AFTER a crash


yep, the white one susan mcelwain described.


, You

just help make a case for a SHOOTDOWN


no i didn't, i just made the case for the staging of a false flag event chosen over a military flight corridor which included a 757 flyover and a small white military plane on a [most likely] bombing run.


It has been proven that there were military exercises taking place over the skies of Pennsylvania on the morning of 911. Shanksville is also in an ariforce/military corridor.

None of the eyewitnesses claim to have seen a BOEING 757 but a craft, none of them claim to have seen it crash except for one guy who claims it was mere feet over his head which contradicts the official claim that it came out of the sky in a steep dive.

ASIDE from all the eyewitnesses proving that flight 93 the boeing 757 didnt crash in that small 10ft deep hole the crash site proves that one didnt. Simple science.



posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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But what conclusion do you draw from there being no airplane crashed there?

What does that say about the overarching conspiracy?



posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by triplescorpio
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The people you think are deceiving you are our freinds family parents brothers sisters and so on not foreign rebels hell bent on your destruction.

We call those people terrorists ya know the people that caused 9-11??



[edit on 20-1-2010 by triplescorpio]
I sure get tired real fast when I read that crap.

The real truth is, if those evil Muslims really are hell bent on killing us, WE CAN'T STOP THEM. It would be very easy to kill as many as they want. Look no further than your local mall. A terrorist could gun down dozens of innocents in short order.

Explosives aren't easy to get hold of in this country, but the internet has information on how to build a bomb, so I've heard, so what stops those terrorists now days?

Oil refineries have tanks filled with millions of gallons of gasoline, just feet from highways, how easy could those be targets of those evil terrorists? see where I'm headed with this? there are literally millions of easy targets in this country, so why isn't there attacks every day? there sure could be if they are so hell bent on killing us.



posted on Feb, 4 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by saturnsrings
Oil refineries have tanks filled with millions of gallons of gasoline, just feet from highways, how easy could those be targets of those evil terrorists? see where I'm headed with this? there are literally millions of easy targets in this country, so why isn't there attacks every day? there sure could be if they are so hell bent on killing us.


Do not forget the following.

1. Of all the shipping contaners that come into our ports only about 1/5th are inspected.

2. Access to any food and water sources are completly open.



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