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Haiti (Deep Conspiracy)

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posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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And I tell ya, it looks less and less far fetched the deeper into this story I go.

Interesting, No?



My thoughts exactly..........but I couldn't prove it.

We need to ask: Who is profitting?




posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Doctor Smith
reply to post by bigyin
 

Even when you go to the super market they ask for money for every thing you could possibly imagine. "Money for a cure for cancer", they ask. I ask them if I will get it for free if they ever discover the pharmaceutical profitable cure?

Plus their is effective treatments that are ignored as they can not be patented. Like if you take 50 mg per day of Iodine you can't get breast cancer!

www.cancertutor.com...


Did you name yourself after Doctor Smith from Lost in Space?
50 milligrams of iodine, taken once, can possibly kill you. Taken daily it certainly will. The total body load of iodine is only ~25 milligrams.

Any safe dose of iodine is measured in micrograms.

Btw, your recommendation is not even supported by the donation-collecting quackery site you give as a reference.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by NightFlight
I also agree that the Red Cross is profiteering from this terrible disaster. Even the first lady Michelle Obama is fronting for the Red Cross and I doubt there's even a charge because of who she is. The main stream media, owned and operated by a small minority, is really running a lot of Red Cross ads, so I believe they have something to gain. I personally gave to the Salvation Army. They distribute almost 100% of what is donated to them, but so far I haven't seen any TV ads for them. Hmmm, I wonder why?
As far as the military presence in Haiti, it is just across the bay from Cuba. It would be a great staging area for our forces when Raul and Fidel falter. Just saying..._javascript:icon('
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Star for the Salvation Army!

If you're ever in trouble for necessities, they will probably be the only ones to help you.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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im a little undecided where to take this info but if you do some research "the Red Cross" is not the best of organizations to be giving your money too...personally i am NOW looking on the Salvation Army website for volunteer opportunities where i CAN make a difference and give regularly to those who are in need...i would urge everyone else who feels that organizations like the Red Cross and alike are not doing enough for the world to goto your local Salvation Army (or similar) and donate your time. We can make a difference but we need to get off the couch and out there in numbers

cheers



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by riddle6
reply to post by Hemisphere
 


I'm willing to bet that the phone companies are receiving a nice payday for those text message donations (and I'm not even talking about service fees).

Kind of off-topic, but your "worker bees" comment reminded me of the song "Worker Bees" by Billy Talent. I don't know if you have ever heard it, but its the perfect song for the mentality of a lot of westerners.


Man! You got me with the phone companies, that didn't dawn on me.

When I was replying there it took me a few iterations until I settled on "worker bees". There's something about everyone phoning and texting that gives me the impression of a need to look "busy". And you know most of this phoning and texting is nonsensical. You see a person waiting for a bus, they're on their cell phone. Why? Who knows? In my opinion it's mostly "hey I've got to stand here doing nothing, I'll phone a friend and stop them from whatever they're doing and that way I've got company doing nothing". I totally understand that you want to make use of your time and there's technology now that helps you. But like most things the intent gets lost in the sauce.

Anyways, that's why the "worker bees". I'm on Rhapsody right now and I've found the tune on the CD: Billy Talent II. Here's a conspiracy for you. The track before it, "This Suffering", plays. The track following it, "Pins and Needles", plays. But "Worker Bees", error message, the track will not play. Just a coincidence of course but funny none-the-less. Punk is not my thing but I will check it out as I've found Rhapsody typically clears these things up in a couple of days. Funnier still, here I am ragging on rampant cell phone use while I'm responding to you on the computer and listening to tunes on Rhapsody. Wait, I've got to go turn the TV on for a "worker bee" trifecta!



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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Interesting thread,op s&f for you .
the redcross bord of directors seem to have much to gain from this crisis.What has really got my attention is how quickly the US military deployed to Hati I think this is what clinton ment when he made that comment about doing something exciting he may have had all of those rebuilding contracts going exclusively to US companies in mind .


[edit on 083131p://4026 by mike dangerously]



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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There is evidence that the United States found oil in Haiti decades ago and due to the geopolitical circumstances and big business interests of that era made the decision to keep Haitian oil in reserve for when Middle Eastern oil had dried up. This is detailed by Dr. Georges Michel in an article dated March 27, 2004 outlining the history of oil explorations and oil reserves in Haiti and in the research of Dr. Ginette and Daniel Mathurin.

open.salon.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:21 PM
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Star and flag excellent detective work.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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I don't think the US will go after Cuba or Venezuela before it has the American population on lock down.I think that has to happen before any major invasions, (besides Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen and Haiti,which are just stepingstones to a takeover), take place. What they want is a totally free hand to wage war on anybody, not that they're not doing that now but they have to maintain some facade of legality.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus

All I can say is... what I have said before...

If they play this game they God damned better win or we are all screwed when this comes to light...




I don't think we're screwed if they lose. To me if they lose, we win.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Wow, I should not have gone to bed...


@abluecollarvoice

If you look a little deeper, you'll find Bill Clinton in the middle of it all.


Yes, this is indeed so.

Jean-Bertrand Aristide was president during the Clinton years, and his Government was marred with strife and accusations of Drug running, bribes, profiteering off of the state treasury, etc...

Jean-Bertrand Aristide attempted to rule solo during 1991, and the Military preformed a Coup against him.

That is when Bill Clinton sent several thousand US troops to return Jean-Bertrand Aristide to power.


Drug trafficking was allegedly a major source of money. Canadian police arrested Oriel Jean, Aristide's security chief and one of the most trusted friends, for money laundering. Beaudoin Ketant, a notorious international drug trafficker, Aristide's close partner, and his daughter's godfather, confessed that Aristide "turned the country into a narco-country. It's a one-man show. You either pay (Aristide) or you die."

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

And the US government has always been about propping up Drug running regimes.

Haiti is a primary Narcotrafficing Hub for the US.

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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You are forgetting something, the entire economy of Haiti was only 7 billion dollars a year and most of what they produce if no all was bought by the US.

Haiti owns much more to the US through the world bank.

Still since the 1940s that is what Haiti after been forced to pay in gold retribution to France they became a penniless nation that depended on loans and aid to survive.


Yes, the government of haiti has gone into DEEP debt from its inability to repay its IMF loans (Predatory), coupled with the Trade Embargo placed on the country that crippled its entire economy (During the Coup De Tad)
en.wikipedia.org...

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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As to the OP and his "What If" idea. Sorry, not good enough. It is a juvenile pretext and is disinformation period.


You Sir, are on a conspiracy WEBSITE.

You would do well to understand that "What If" is the name of the game here.

Not to mention that the MOTIVES of those connected to this disaster through the red cross is profiting from disasters such as this.

Plugging your ears to the truth does not make you right.

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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"You didn't text $10? It's only $10 and it's so easy. What kind of person are you?"


Yes, the company that started that fund raising program through cell phones was AT&T, btw...

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Is Haiti a stategic place or position for the US if we were to go to war with Venezuela?



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but don't theories without evidence based on pure assumptions belong in the Skunkworks?

The idea the earthquake was man made is way out there in the conspiracy universe. Out there to the point its the reason people think we are all mental cases. I prefer the evidence be presented with the theory. How was the earthquake caused? What proof exists? Who gathered the data and how was it gathered?


I never said that the Earthquake *WAS* manmade.... (I implied that the man made earthquake theory seems to be getting more plausible)

This thread is about the financial connections through the red cross.

But since you are going to bring up the "Earthquake Machine" then I will of course, run with your statement:

www.geophysics.rice.edu...

As you can see, Haiti sits a few dozen moles south of the Carribian plate's northern slip face with the North american plate.

Earthquakes in a Slip zone are caused by gradual buildup of pressure along the fault line, until the "Friction" of the one plate against the other is not enough to prevent the movement.

The plate "Slips" and moves west, violently.

Now, since the only force holding the Caribbean plate from slipping is this "Friction" then an explosive device powerful enough WOULD dislodge the plate, and cause an earthquake.

So, a nuclear weapon of sufficient magnitude could TECHNICALLY cause an earthquake by dislodging the plate at the slip zone.

www.springhousebequia.com...

www.appstate.edu...

oceanexplorer.noaa.gov...

upload.wikimedia.org...

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by Alchemst7
Is Haiti a stategic place or position for the US if we were to go to war with Venezuela?


The cool thing about Haiti is it's deep water port.

So it would be useful as a naval staging area.

Considering that Haiti is only around 350 miles off the north coast of Venezuela.

Just for purposes of clarification, the Combat range of the Navy's F-18 Super Hornet is 449 miles.

-Edrick



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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The paranoia on this site is unbelievable! An "earthquake machine"? Really?

As others have pointed out in this thread you don't have to donate to the Red Cross, there are other charities.

I wouldn't call the Red Cross corrupt, you have to understand that there's a lot of red tape to get through before money can be distributed where it's needed. Unfortunately, like most organisations they need to make at least some money to cover their own expenses. Of course we'd rather every cent went towards the relief effort asap, but unfortunately that's not the way it works. Everything costs money.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by djusdjus
This is a deeply insulting thread.
how dare you logical fallacy

It is so filled with ignorance and malcontentedness that it is hard to fathom the type of critical thinking errors required to come up with such garbage and then to want to spread it as if it was something other than utter nonsense.

I think some people need to step away from their computers and go out into the world and have a look around.

These are the kinds of threads that keep ATS looking like a pack of fools standing back from a harmless apple that has fallen from a tree because they "think" it might lead to their destructive and untimely end.
Guilt by association logical fallacy. If you agree with the thread author, you are causing the downfall of ATS.

An earthquake happened, many people have died, many nations besides the red cross and many organizations are doing their very best to help and this is the best that ATS can offer about such a tragedy?
This is an appeal to emotion. Maybe the RC isn't doing "their best." If you think about it, its not their best if they aren't giving all of the money to those who need it right now, are they? A person would be naive to think that there is NO fraud within charities.

I really want to say some spiteful and mean things here, but I will refrain as it is outside of the decorum.


No s No f for the OP. I find your line of thinking ridiculous and distasteful.

[edit on 19-1-2010 by djusdjus]


All the posts in this thread by djusdjus basically amount to an attempt to make the reader feel bad about thinking about certain things or thinking about things in a certain way.

Any time someone posts something like "How dare you?" I immediately become suspicious. djusdjus is using a technique called "appeal to emotion." Appeals to emotion attempt to make you feel guilty or unnecessarily emotional about a topic instead of using logic.

We are on a site specifically designed for people to ponder over alternative viewpoints. It is not wrong to think this way, it is the PURPOSE of this site!


Originally posted by djusdjus
This is a deeply insulting thread.


Maybe you are being too sensitive and need to take a chill pill.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Hate to be cynical here, but there is no more human touch in the world today. Rarely does one do an act of kindness from the kindness of their heart without expecting payback.

You got Clinton and Bush and you got Rwanda and Darfur. Hard to believe after they played possum during those massacres they have grown a conscience.



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