zerotime... most people I've heard in this forum so far have just been saying Meier's a fraud and/or cult leader because he has a long beard -
absolutely the most immature assessment imagineable. You at least get a C+ for effort in my view, because you make an attempt at refuting the facts.
Problem is, you happen to be wrong on pretty much everything and can be easily debunked with information that precedes yours (or is that Korff's?) by
years. Are you ready?
Let's take this point by point (Nutzo - I realize you want to move on, but feel free to go play elsewhere if you're not into the topic at hand,
which, if I'm not mistaken, happens to be Billy Meier, remember? It was nice talking to you though, really.)
This guy has been proven a fraud over and over again.
I think "proven to be a fraud" is pretty subjective, don't you think? I can say similarly that the case has been proven to be real, over and over
again. Check all sources, not just the ones you want to believe.
But no matter what evidence is brought forward against him there will always be those people that refuse to believe it is a hoax.
And there will likewise be those that refuse to believe it's true despite all the evidence brought forward. (yawn) Can we at least get to some
substance here?
Prophecies? Please, this guy said back in the cold war 80's that there would be future wars. File that under things that make you say
duh.
It would be an understatement to say that your recollection of what Meier said is horrendously shoddy, at best, and proves to me that you've chosen
the quick & easy path like many others before you and simply glossed over (if not avoided) most of the relevant data in the Meier material. Sorry to
have to confront you with the facts, but Meier's prophecies (hundreds) have been proven to precede specific events and scientific discoveries up to
several decades in copyrighted texts and documents. You're dismissal won't make it go away. If I were you, I'd become familiar with the phrase
"Irrefutable,
Legal Standard of Proof." If you can't then I suggest you at least read:
theyfly.com...
Amazing how most of the UFO's like to stick to trees...I guess the aliens turned off their high tech gadgets and decided to use trees as a
kickstand. www.billymeier.com...
Now THAT is scientific! Yeah, you've got Meier over a barrel. He should've seen you coming. Well, let me start by saying that I can point you to
many, many more that aren't using trees as kickstands. Try here:
www.steelmarkonline.com...
In the Contact Reports which are transcribed after every contact, there was a point in time when Meier began asking them to move near trees in order
to obtain distance reference shots, but I'm sure you already knew that, right? Gee, if you were the contactee, I wonder what the chances would be of
you doing the same thing?
wobble wobble - wobble wobble. Who's on a string? Not this Meier UFO!
www.figu.org...
It looks like their "plausible deniability" approach to making people gradually aware of their existence without infringing upon our free will
worked like a charm! You think it's a model. I think it's a ship being made to look like a swinging, bobbing model. I wonder who are the more clever
ones here, them or us? Things to ponder...
www.geocities.com...
Along with Underground Video's statement is a photograph showing one of Billy Meiers alleged Pleiadian beamships taken in 1981.
Do yourself a favor and don't even waste your time parroting anything from Underground Video, the now-defunct hoaxters that threatened to file a
class-action suit against Meier, all the while putting on a good show for the public at lectures to promote their amazing video, and then quietly
receded into their cave...lol! Their "analysis" was done on an early version of Adobe Photoshop using nth generation positives!! Now talk about
scientific...! Let's compare that to what Meier's
original photos had to endure by REAL scientists at REAL labs, including but not limited
to: microscopic examination processed by laser scanning microdensitometer, film grain analysis, edge identification, edge enhancement, contrast
enhancement, image enhancement, Z-scale contour and Z-scale density tests, spatial filtering, interferometer, infraredometer, etc. Go here for much
more on the professional analyses:
theyfly.com...
After computer enhancement and careful scrutiny, it has been shown the Beamship is really a miniature model made out of an upside-down cake
pan, disconnected copper hose fitting, a bracelet, carpet tacks and various other identifiable objects.
Here's your little "cake pan":
www.billymeier.com...
Yeah, that's a pretty large cake pan, eh zerotime? (minimum 12 ft. diameter, obviously metallic) hovering near the crown of a ~25 ft. fir tree across
a couple hundred feet of meadow, yet! And that bracelet must be at least 5-6 feet in diameter, huh? (well maybe it's Xtra, Xtra, Xtra large, for
those goliath types). This clip, btw, is just a fragment of a much longer piece. Meier used one of the first consumer video cameras on the market in
Europe in 1981 (a SABA) and said that this unusual "Wedding Cake" style ship was a 3.5 meter unmanned remote ship. Other sizes of this identical
craft were 7, 14 and 21 meters (don't worry you'll see them in an upcoming photo journal produced by Steelmark publishing).
Anyway, I can hardly wait to hear your earth-shattering scientific analysis of this one. Oh, btw, that's Meier standing off to the front-right of the
camera which is mounted on a tripod, so don't go crediting him with holding up the, um, cake pan (with a 200-ft. fishing pole).
The Meier photograph of the beautiful Pleiadian alien, Semjase, turned out to be a photocopy of a model from a Sears Catalog.
That rumor is so old (and wrong) I'm amazed it's still around. First of all, Meier never photographed Semjase as they stated (in Contact Reports)
that they did not want their pictures taken. They claim to walk around the planet every now and then and "mingle" among us Earthlings. Just proves
how much those skeptics really pound the pavement for facts.
Another one of Meier's photographs, where he allegedly traveled into the future aboard a Pleiadian Beamship to photograph the aftermath of a
9.0 earthquake in San Francisco showing the toppled Trans-America building, turned out to be a realistic looking painting from a geology magazine
article about earthquakes.
Who ever said that was Meier's photograph? Can you show me where Meier ever said that was anything other than a painting from GEO Magazine? Wendelle
Stevens recounts one night where he and several other witnesses were in Meier's kitchen when he came walking in with a dozen photos of the future
earthquake. Wendelle described the destruction in the pics and how the cars looked in the photos (half-glass or full-glass cabin tops with no side
projections). Meier was later scolded by the ETs for showing those pictures and they subsequently took them away. So Meier never had any for
posterity. Wendelle wrote a detailed report on this in his investigative report and there were several other witnesses who saw those photographs.
Check it out.
On top of these damning examples, every single one of Billy Meier's photographs of Pleiadian ships have been shown to be of third, fourth and
even fifth generation(photographs of photographs) This means the he likely airbrushed suspension wires and other signs of fraud. There is not one
example of an original, first generation Billy Meier photograph.
...
Simply not true. This is typical Korff-speak at its finest. Meier took well over 1200 photos of UFOs (several variations). The investigative team,
which spent 8 years researching the case, on-site, found out that many of Meier's photos were being duped at the photo lab. Ultimately, it was
discovered the lab guy was being payed off by people to dupe them and give up the originals. They could tell by the film sprocket holes which were
coming back from the lab reversed. A portion of first-gens did survive.
To top it off, a reporter found a bunch of miniature models exactly matching many of the Pleiadian ships shown in his photos.
Everyone knows (at least those that try) that the investigative team brought models to the contact sites in order to photograph them and compare them
with Meier's photos. The computer analysis caught the fakes every time (see the movie Contact by Genesis IIII). Meier kept one or two of them as
souvenirs. Big deal!
His ex-wife has come out to denounce him as a fraud as well.
Sorry, but I'm the proud owner of a 30+ minute interview done between Jun-Ichi Yaoi from the Japanese team that went over to Meier's farm in the
late 70s, and Meier's, then, wife. Throughout the entire interview, his wife describes in exquisite detail the craft she would see ascending from out
of the forest after she had just dropped off her husband for a "contact", and other times when they would pass overhead where they lived. Plus, she
wrote several reports and passed lie detector tests (all documented) attesting to the reality of her husband's UFO contacts. If not through the eye
of a needle, her credibility now fits easily into most overhead storage bins.
The evidence is overwhelming that whole Billy Meier story is unquestionably, absolutely, completely and totally 100% BOGUS.
What can I say? Everyone's entitled to their opinion. It basically comes down to who really does their homework and who doesn't. And just to put it
up front: Unless you have some
factual information to debate with, I'd rather not get into a war of attrition here as it doesn't do anybody
any good (been there, done that). But I seriously hope you do have some good ammo so we could try and straighten out some things re. Meier.
