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Billy Meier What A Joke!

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posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 09:13 AM
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My standing ovation for acidhead. Good work!




posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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You can read a brief overview of the sound analysis, the photo analysis, the comments of some of the various experts who evaluated Meier's photos, films and information on hyperspace propulsion, etc. at: www.theyfly.com The info is free.

Remember the story about the engineers who determined that bees were not, based on their "design", fit for flight? No one told the bees, apparently.

And why not go ahead and duplicate Meier's evidence and show us all how he faked it? Use the same known equipment and get back to us with the products.

Thanks,

MH



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 01:16 PM
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Thefly.com sucks. It is a BM propaganda site.

This thread is dead. It was killed a long time ago.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 01:56 PM
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Thank you for your insightful and penetrating observations. Truely the work of an exceptional mind, the kind usually encountered when dealing with "skeptics" who can't substantiate their claims.

MH



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 02:24 PM
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You want evidence, here you are,

First lets see some photos (gee...these look quite real!!)





A model hanging much closer to the camera than the van...







(I love this one)

Here you can find how to make the Wedding Cake UFO model. (It is in German, I guess, but the pictures talk by themselves).

Some links about the fake alien girls pictures ("... the two women shown on the photographs are not Asket and Nera from the DAL-Universe but their American doubles..." yeah, right!"

www.rense.com...
www.beyondroswell.com...
(pics at the bottom)

Now lets take a look at an interview to Billy.

"Q: How long does it take the Pleiadians/Plejarans to travel through space from their home worlds to Earth? And how is it possible for them to span the astronomic distance of approximately 500 light years?

A: During their initial contact period the trip from their deviated space-and-time-configuration in the dimension beyond the Pleiades visible from Earth took about 7 hours. Over time and with their technology continually advancing, the trip was shortened to 7 minutes. With their latest mode of transportation, using transmitters, they can traverse any designated distance throughout the entire universe instantly, without any loss of time whatsoever."

But earlier, in the same interview, he had said:

"A little over 50,000 years ago, when the extraterrestrials discovered and began inhabiting the Plejares star cluster and its planets..."

So, let me see...this people have been traveling through the stars for 50,000 years (!!), but, their just get the tecnology to make a trip of 7 hours in 7 minutes in the last 40 years...good for them.

And theres more:

"Q: Why do the extraterrestrials not land in full view of the public, for instance in front of the United Nations Palais...?

A: The reasons for this vary. But a significant one is that they are governed by a directive, which states that the Pleiadians/Plejarans are neither allowed to reveal themselves to terrestrials nor can they interfere in any manner, shape or form with the events of the human population on any planet who is still incapable of considerable space travel."

And later,

"Q: Why did the extraterrestrials mandate you to take photographs and movie footage of their beamships and their flight maneuvers?

A: Their rationale was to designate me to produce the sharpest and best photo and movie film material the world has yet seen of the extraterrestrial flying objects, which we terrestrials usually call UFOs. The material I produced would serve to provoke a worldwide UFO controversy that would finally provide a wake-up call to the people on Earth in matters pertaining to extraterrestrial life."

Well...nice contradiction, isnt it?

You can read the whole interview here



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 02:51 PM
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And why not go ahead and duplicate Meier's evidence and show us all how he faked it?


i have done , i have deleted it from my server space now tho, do you want me to remake it again ?


Originally posted by Peronemlin

My standing ovation for acidhead. Good work!


thanks



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 07:05 PM
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Thank you Michael and Aurelius for taking the time to try and
set the record straight . I, too, felt at first (early 80's) that
Billy was a hoaxer but much to my surprise I found out that the
story was true and the photographs real.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 10:58 PM
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Hi John,

Yes indeed. And the poor fellow who claims the Wedding Cake Ship is a model has obviously not seen the video of it, where Meier zooms in about 300' on the clearly large object floating in front of a clearly large tree. The entire sequence of WCS photos, which we're now making available, also demolishes the hoax argument. To even construct a minature of this object would require exceedingly advanced metallurgical skills, including the manufacturing and attaching of the globes, the nearly 100 crystals and all this done without leaving a scratch on the surface of the object, a nice trick if it's only a little model brushing against pine needles.

And yes, I'd love to see the duplication of Meier's photos, films, video, sound recordings and metal samples, to say nothing of the nearly 50 years of prophetically accurate info.

Unfortunately, the know-it-all skeptics only reinforce the validity of the Plejaren remaining out of contact with us, seeing as a good number of us are simply too stupid, illogical and ill-equipped to handle even second-hand proof.

I guess the only thing that would have made the case even more incredible would have been if Billy had no arms and the dimwits with all the answers would have claimed he hoaxed it all with his teeth.

MH



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by michaelhorn
... the poor fellow who claims the Wedding Cake Ship is a model has obviously not seen the video of it...


If you are trying to say that this



is a picture of a real spaceship, you must believe we are all stupid...


This thread has became really hilarious, Im having a lot of fun here...


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peronemlin (aka The Poor Fellow
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posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 11:34 PM
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Gosh, imagine that, me saying that's a real spaceship. And of course, being as knowledgeable as you are about such matters, you know better. Hey, I've got an idea! Why not do what the professional skeptics tried to do and...make one yourself! Show us all that you can back up what you say with a little proof. Should be easy, you probably have two hands and some scraps lying around. Go for it!

Or just keep laughing...



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear
Thank you Michael and Aurelius for taking the time to try and
set the record straight . I, too, felt at first (early 80's) that
Billy was a hoaxer but much to my surprise I found out that the
story was true and the photographs real.

No problem. Just trying to present the evidence as it was analyzed some 20-25 years ago, which can get easily swept under the carpet if you don't call them on it (i.e. the carpet). Seems like most people just like to hone in on one tiny facet of the case (e.g. the pics and/or sounds) and disregard all the rest of the evidences documented by Stevens-Elders-Welch and all the others who spent years and lots of $$$ to prove Meier was not hoaxing and was genuinely having some form of contacts with a highly advanced group.

It's also tiring watching apparent newbies to the case post pics of UFOs on this site that have been known to be manipulated for years, like that one posted by Peronemlin (#6). FIGU apparently decided to keep the pic up on their site for some reason even though it is in their own documentation that it was re-photographed, blown up and cropped (which included the landing legs) before Meier even got it back from the photo lab.

And most don't even know that Meier's contacts were corroborated by testimony from ex-military intelligence officer Robert Dean who I'm sure you're familiar with. He had access to the several-year assessment done on Meier by several intelligence groups which ended up in his favor (i.e. he was having contact with some highly advanced people).



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 12:22 AM
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Michael,

I already tried several screens back to confront some with the facts, e.g. the ship with the spheres ranged in size from 3.5 to 21 meters and I even linked them to the video footage of the 3.5 meter ship filmed across a football field of meadow, but it just doesn't seem to compute for them that a one-armed guy can't possibly build or rig such a 12-foot "model" high up in a fir tree (someone thought it might be made of tin foil!). Curious why the same guys aren't nitpicking the dozens of photos, like those on steelmarkonline.com, that are clearly of 7-meter metallic craft far from the camera, some of which have been thoroughly tested to be authentic in that respect. They'd rather focus on a select few shots, some of which are known to be manipulated which only shows me how little they actually do know of this case.

Acidhead: One sound recording report is on theyfly.com. I don't have the link at the moment, but go to Michael's documents section and you'll find it. There is more that I have right in front of me in Stevens' investigative reports, but it's copyrighted material and I'd have to get permission to use large sections of it. When I get a chance, I'd be glad to select relevant excerpts that specify the technical data and post them here.

[edit on 23-7-2004 by Aurelius]



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 02:34 AM
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Yes indeed. And the poor fellow who claims the Wedding Cake Ship is a model has obviously not seen the video of it, where Meier zooms in about 300' on the clearly large object floating in front of a clearly large tree. The entire sequence of WCS photos, which we're now making available, also demolishes the hoax argument.


erm yes . we have seen the video of it , it was discussed about page 3

it shows a STATIONARY flying saucer infront of a tree , the camera zooms in and that is all.

if i made a 20ft rubber duck and had it sit still infront of a tree , took a video of it where i zoomed in - would that prove the duck was infact real ?

why do his ufo flying videos look like they are on bits of string and pendulum swinging ?

ill post some more later when i get home from work and the gym , until then tattybye



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 10:30 AM
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Really, a one-armed man making and then lugging and somehow suspending a huge "model" in front of a tree and no one sees him or can find the thing!?!?!?!? Do some extra at the gym sweating out whatever you're on.

And go ahead and make that 20' rubber ducky and let's find out. Or you could even use the small one that you probably have on hand.

Yeah, I thought so...

Well, since you haven't done your homework:

From page 9 of the accompanying Photographic Analysis document, regarding the film clips seen above, "In the 18 March sequence Meier filmed the spacecraft circling a large tree in front of a farmhouse. The sky was overcast with a low ceiling, and occasionally light snowflakes fell. The motion of the spacecraft looks suspiciously like it is tethered from above as it appears to circle the tree and then to swing back and forth over the tree, except that on three occasions the spacecraft changes its motion abruptly with no change in the tilt of the vertical axis of the ship. If it was in fact tethered, one would expect the vertical axis to tilt as the tether point above was moved. In another measurement it was found that the tilt angle of the vertical axis in one oscillation sequence was sufficient that the axis crossed within the frame and would have put the tether point within the picture. No tether point source was revealed, in one of the final oscillation sequences the object appeared to pass directly over the top of the tree, and it is clearly seen that the tree was swept over in the direction of the spacecraft, or appeared to follow the spacecraft as it passed. Clearly no model could have produced this effect. When we revisited the scene we found that the tree had died and was cut down."



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by michaelhorn
Gosh, imagine that, me saying that's a real spaceship. And of course, being as knowledgeable as you are about such matters, you know better. Hey, I've got an idea! Why not do what the professional skeptics tried to do and...make one yourself! Show us all that you can back up what you say with a little proof. Should be easy, you probably have two hands and some scraps lying around. Go for it!

Or just keep laughing...


OK...first of all, Im no professional skeptic, I believe in UFOs, Ive seen UFOs and even took pictures of them. But of course, mines are not as good as Mr Meier. I admire him for that, as you say, a one armed man, how could possible fake all this?? Impossible...one armed men cant possible have friends (or accomplices) to help him, no way. Just cant be. The one armed man excuse allows him everything.

About my homework, whats the point of making my own UFO model? No matter how good could it be, it wont change your point of view, and thats ok, I understand it, after all its your job.



Originally posted by Aurelius
It's also tiring watching apparent newbies to the case post pics of UFOs on this site that have been known to be manipulated for years, like that one posted by Peronemlin (#6). FIGU apparently decided to keep the pic up on their site for some reason even though it is in their own documentation that it was re-photographed, blown up and cropped (which included the landing legs) before Meier even got it back from the photo lab.


Then if the picture is fake, why they keep it there? Thats what they are showing to the public, am I guilty of that?

Finally I would like someone to answer me this simple question:

Why if the Peiadians are governed by a directive, "which states that they are not allowed to reveal themselves to terrestrials nor can they interfere in any manner, shape or form with the events of the human population on any planet who is still incapable of considerable space travel" they let Mr Meier take such vivid pictures of their ships?

PS keep laughing!



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 02:20 PM
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Regarding hoaxing the pictures, of course the six-year, thorough investigation revealed no collaborators, co-conspirators, financial assistance, facilities for making sophisticated models, etc., etc. And none have appeared decades later. But of course you knew that didn't you? And why aren't your photos as good as Meier's? After all, he took his with a broken camera circa 1975 - 1978 and you've got all that good stuff to work with and only come up with blobs in the sky.

Anyone who could make that quality of "special effects" would long ago have been working in Hollywood. Meier declined a $1,000,000 offer from Universal to produce just such effects with the full use of their special effects department.

The point of your duplicating his photos, films, etc. is to give you the first hand experience of trying to do the impossible, far better qualified people have tried and, naturally, failed. Better yet, take a trip to Switzerland, trudge around the environment Meier took his photos in and then try and duplicate them there.

BTW, my "job" is to find the truth and tell it. It's a self-obligated "job", I'm on no one's payroll.

Meier and FIGU have posted photos that have been manipulated or altered by others and pointed that out. Rather to their credit I think.

Re: "Finally I would like someone to answer me this simple question:

Why if the Peiadians are governed by a directive, 'which states that they are not allowed to reveal themselves to terrestrials nor can they interfere in any manner, shape or form with the events of the human population on any planet who is still incapable of considerable space travel' they let Mr Meier take such vivid pictures of their ships?"

They are still conforming to that directive since there are only indirect representations of them, i.e. photos, films, etc. of their craft. Obviously, people aren't ready for contact with another race, look at the grief that you and other people give Meier over his attempting to lubricate the thick-headed idiots who can't think their way out of a paper bag. And you're pretty mild, considering 19 assassination attempts on Meier's life, a lot of trouble for a mere hoaxer, no?

Think, fellow, think!



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Daelume

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Daelume. Figures. You actually believe David Icke.


David Icke never claimed to be Jesus, and doesn't run up and down the steets screaming anything.

He is merely a researcher who realised what is going on.

I would say that around 60-80% of his information is true. I know this from personal experience.

It would be wonderfully comfortable to live in a lazy reality where the Reptilians didn't exist, but I can't change actual reality--and they do.

Believe whatever you want. People called me insane when I said that Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks back in 2001. Now it is patently obvious that I was right, and no one can really deny it anymore.

Similarly, as we move into a New World Order, your foolish and infantile fantasies about reality will be shattered by the complete revealing of aliens to the eyes of Earth-humans.

Open your mind, fool. Clearly you have no understanding of reality. You derive your ideas from the media, and media alone.

I personally know CFR members, people who have worked in undeground bases, and ex-government psychics who all confirm the same thing--the Draco are really the ones behind the Illuminati.

So believe what you will, it won't change reality. While the CFR are laughing and snorting coc aine, you will be in shackles in a concentration camp, or drafted to guard your local grocery store from 'terrorists'.

Again, I must laugh, because people like you defend blindness so adamantly.


Just to point out something you obviously missed Daelume is a little point that David Icke claimed to be the son of God on live television.So to be blunt i'd take anything he says is true with a big pinch of salt



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 04:34 PM
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Just to point out something you obviously missed Daelume is a little point that David Icke claimed to be the son of God on live television.So to be blunt i'd take anything he says is true with a big pinch of salt




Do you mean that he is not the son of God? I thought we were ALL Gods children. As a matter of fact I thought we were all God's PERFECT children.
At least that is what I was taught in Christian Science sunday school.



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by michaelhorn
Why if the Peiadians are governed by a directive, 'which states that they are not allowed to reveal themselves to terrestrials nor can they interfere in any manner, shape or form with the events of the human population on any planet who is still incapable of considerable space travel' they let Mr Meier take such vivid pictures of their ships?"

They are still conforming to that directive since there are only indirect representations of them, i.e. photos, films, etc. of their craft.


So, allowing to take pictures and films of their spaceships, taking people back in time to take pictures of dinosaurs, bringing vintage ray guns to burn holes in trees, etc etc; you say that is NOT interfering in any manner, shape or form with humans?

One more little thing... they are not allowed to reveal themselves to terrestrials...so, where is Mr Meier from? Mars?

Thanks for the advice, thats what Im doing: "Thinking, fellow, thinking!"



posted on Jul, 23 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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Really, a one-armed man making and then lugging and somehow suspending a huge "model" in front of a tree and no one sees him or can find the thing!?!?!?!? Do some extra at the gym sweating out whatever you're on.


really , a one-armed man being visited by aliens who contradicts himself in interviews , who takes photos of ufos and makes them look like models and who records audio of ufos that sound like feedback

hmmm , wonder who is living on a different world here ? ? ?


what does your last comment mean ? "whatever your'e on"
are you getting personal because i can create the same sound as your idol's ufo sound with basic equipment ?

show me links to these reports of proof , show me something links to things please

show me a pic of the yellow car in the pic in daylight with a person near it
show me a pic of this tree with a person standing next to it at the same angle as this photo is took from to show scale


show me some video of a ufo flying overhead and not some "on a string and wobbling" video as has been shown



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