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An honest inquiry, What do YOU hate about America?

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posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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For all of you America hating folks out there, consider this one my gift to you. Go ahead and rant to your little hearts content. Let loose and PLEASE don’t hold back.

I hear lots of folks on ATS bashing on America all of the time, usually with little one-liners meant to tick off the conservative members which usually results in the commenter being labeled a TROLL by one of the offended.

On this thread, you can bash with every ounce of your being and NO ONE can call you a troll. In fact you’ll be positively contributing to this thread.




Why am I making this thread?


I am genuinely curious to find out what it is that some people find so offensive about the very existence of the USA. I want to understand what makes you tick. I want to know if your grievances against America are warranted and what YOU think should be done to address America’s problems.


I would also like to hear from those of you on the right. What is it about America, as it exists today, that you just can’t stand? What do you think should be done to correct America’s problems?


Please try to keep this thread civil and try to avoid one-liners. If you want to bash on America please provide a detailed explanation to back up your grievances. I truly do want to understand your position.




In the interest of moving along the discussion, I will present my biggest gripe against America:

What I hate about America is the way in which we try to force our system of government down the throats of every other nation in the world.

America has come to the belief that democracy is the ONLY just form of government period. All other forms of government are criminal tyrannies that oppress the people.
America sees it as it’s God given duty to ensure that every nation in the world MUST become a democracy, even if they must be forced to do so at gunpoint.

What ever happened to democracy of ideas? How can we be so certain that other forms of government are automatically tyrannical? If a country wishes to have a monarchy, who are we to tell them they are wrong?

To the American way of thinking, any form of government other that democracy automatically oppresses its people. Be it monarchy, oligarchy, socialism, theocracy or whatever, we Americans cannot possibly believe that a people can be happy unless they possess the right to vote. If a government treats its people justly and provides equal rights for all, how can we object just because some, or perhaps all, lack the right to vote?

Does the right to vote automatically ensure peace, tranquility and equality before the law for all men? Hah! That’s a good one.



How many of us in the USA feel oppressed at times by our “democracy”? Isn’t the definition of democracy “ when three wolves and a sheep vote on what to have for dinner”?

How is that the best system of government the world can devise?

And, before you all come out with the “America is a republic and not a democracy” argument, let me say this:

I acknowledge that, yes, in theory, America is a republic, a country of laws where all men are equal before the law and no one is above the law. In practice, the reality is something completely different. Our republic has been taken over by special interests and it has come to the point that only those with money truly have a say in government. THIS is the style of democracy our country tries to foist upon the world.

I believe that a people have the right to any form of government which makes those people happy. If that be socialism, theocracy or even, (heaven forbid!) a tyranny ruled by Saddam Hussein, America has no business telling them otherwise.

Diversity of government allows the peoples of the world to experiment to try to find a system they feel is most just. If one doesn’t like the form of government one lives under, it is good to know that there other places in the world whose government may be more suitable to your temperament.

A democracy or republic is only as good as those who rule it. If a people allow their government to become corrupted over time, the right to vote means diddly squat.

There are more important issues in the world than who has the vote. When a people have the right to vote, they have no one to blame but themselves when their government oppresses them.


Oh, yeah, that and Barack Hussein Obama.

Ha! I beat you all to it, so there!




[edit on 18-1-2010 by FortAnthem]




posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:12 PM
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The majority of their peoples attitude to what they're really doing.

The way they've forgotten the rebellious past against tyranny.

The fact that the majority of televangelists come from.


[edit on 18-1-2010 by Occy Anonymous]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by FortAnthem

An honest inquiry, What do YOU hate about America?






Wouldn't this thread be a little more conducive to debate if we could throw in what we hate and/or love about the states..? Unless you have a hidden agenda...




I would think anyone with an opinion, has taken the time to look into the topic thoroughly - pros and cons.







On Topic:

Dislike: Political system and loss of social capital.

Like: Our attempt at Liberty.


content edit...

[edit on 1/18/2010 by happygolucky]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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because someone finds fault with america does not mean they "HATE" america. tell me...why do you and other republicans use the word hate so often? and for so long now. it has become cartoonish and silly.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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Rage Against The Machine -- Know your Enemy

Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

All of which are American dreams

*bold text represents what I hate about America



[edit on 18-1-2010 by unityemissions]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by happygolucky

Originally posted by FortAnthem

An honest inquiry, What do YOU hate about America?






Wouldn't this thread be a little more conducive to debate if we could throw in what we hate and/or love about the states..? Unless you have a hidden agenda...

[edit on 1/18/2010 by happygolucky]


I honestly do want to understand what people think about America.

Most posts bashing America on this fourm take the form of one liners. Most don't take the time to explain their issues with America. I thought I would provide a forum for those with issues about America to air their grievances in order to create better understanding.

Making a thread about what you love/ hate about America/ the states is too broad a subject.

The anti-America sentiment on this forum beggs the question, "is there justification for all of this hatred?"

I for one would like to know.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:42 PM
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America is a beautiful country, full of wonderful people. Why would anyone hate it?



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:43 PM
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I dislike that America, is not America anymore..
I dislike that there is still discrimination and prejudice in America..
I dislike the U.S. Corporation using America as a base of opperations to discredit the American people for whom they are..

I dislike the U.S. Corporation for invading other countries and killing innocent women, children, and men; In doing so giving every day American's bad names.

I dislike the Free Masons whom control the U.S. Corporation and other big corporations. Whom eventually force people from their homes leaving the people with no money and no home.

I am an American National, not a U.S. Citizen.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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It's not black and white; it never is.... Dissatisfaction and concern doesn't translate as HATE. Criticism isn't necessarily HATEFUL.

Why the forced dichotomy



[edit on 18-1-2010 by whaaa]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:47 PM
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I do not hate anything, but I find the very inception of it thoroughly disgusting. It was started like Isreal, ILLEGALLY.


It sickens me and makes me sad that some Americans they should e standing up for what their founding fathers stood for. THey say freedom... tell REAL Americans that. By real Americans I do not mean glory hunters that travelled over to seek the American dream, I`m talking about real Americans, the ones who had the real American dream passed down from generation to generation.

The indigenous American Natives, not the parasitic ones.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:48 PM
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An honest inquiry, What do YOU hate about America?


Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw...

'Love my country, Fear my government'

We have gotten to the point where the US is less and less a nation of, by and for the people and simply of its government for the sake of government. And to hone a needle-sharp point to this comment, I would say that I truly abhor politics, as they have become over the last 20 or 30 years.

We have allowed ourselves, finally, to become a house divided unto itself, for the sake of that same government. And so long as we are content to play the part of partisan gladiators for the red and blue corners, we are ignorantly... if not stupidly oblivious to the criminal activities being happily perpetrated by both sides right under our little pointed noses.

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posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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I don't hate.

But it Sadden's me the Apathy of the American people.

The US could go down as the Greatest Empire to have ever existed , with
the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Instead they will be remembered as just another Imperialistic Empire
who reached too far , and failed.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Right now, what I hate about America and I been a very staunt critic of, The joke that our political system has become because we the people have allowed big interest to turn our politicians in their whores.

Beside that I love my nation and the generous but sometimes gullible people that makes our citizenry.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
because someone finds fault with america does not mean they "HATE" america. tell me...why do you and other republicans use the word hate so often? and for so long now. it has become cartoonish and silly.


So I take it from your reply, you hate, oops! I'm sorry, DISLIKE the inflamitory lables we put upon those we disagree with.

Valid point.

The reason I created this thread is to create understanding of the anti-American postion. I do not believe it is completely unfounded. There are good reasons for the peoples of the world to dislike and oppose America.

Asking what you dislike about America would be boring and wouldn't grab a person's attention.

I wanted to grab the attention of this forum's users in order to encourage a lively discussion.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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I actually do not hate America... what i hate is ignorant people that step on the constitution and burn the flag ...and basically call people that still believe in america.... morons...

I hate people in america that have not stood up and have allowed the government to get as big and as corrupt as it has...

and i hate those the do not accept personal responsibility for their own actions and always try to blame it on society and on other people...

i hate lazy ass people that set there and pop out babies and expect the tax payers who do actually work hard to pay for their fun baby...

I also and finally hatet he total lack of common sense in this nation wehen it comes to actually running the nation...


some people are damn lucky i am not in that office because i would personally go after ...and i mean hard the MSM and certyain political hacks and if it were possible literally hang them for treason.. these asre the people i hate...



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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when outlandish hyperbolic words and phrases are used, they receieve the most attention. there is an audience for that here, and in the MSM. logical, reasoned, critical thought, used in a productive way, recieves little, if any attention. this has been known for a long time, and has been/is being used by people wishing to incite an emotional response regarding a particular position, whether that position is true or not.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by jimmyx]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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The Patriots
Teabaggers
Pledge to the flag ..
The Flag
The Founding Fathers Fascination ..
The Conservatives
The South
The Christians (The Extreme ones)
The Constitution (Needs to be updated)
The Society in General ..
The Fear Of Socialism
The Wars
The War on Drugs
The Inability to accept Gay and Gay Rights ..
The Government
The Inability to help others (Some people don't want to help others by paying taxes)
Their attitude towards Immigration and Immigrants ..
Not an Euro-Socialist nation

Etc .. etc .. etc ..

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Polynomial C]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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To those posters who have taken issue with the notion of hating America, I feel I need to clarify;

The question was: What do you hate ABOUT America?

It does not necessarily imply that one hates America. One can love their country and still hate what it has become or the actions of their country.

I love America but, I hate what it has become and what it's leaders have done to the world.



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Don't worry I understood your purpose from the beginning, but remember that as usual is human nature for some to question anything in ATS.




posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
The Patriots
Teabaggers
Pledge to the flag ..
The Flag
The Founding Fathers Fascination ..
The Conservatives
The South
The Christians (The Extreme ones)
The Constitution (Needs to be updated)
The Society in General ..
The Fear Of Socialism
The Wars
The War on Drugs
The Inability to accept Gay and Gay Rights ..
The Government
The Inability to help others (Some people don't want to help others by paying taxes)
Not an Euro-Socialist nation

Etc .. etc .. etc ..

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Polynomial C]


My good buddy Poly C!

Welcome! Your point of view is exactly what I wish to understand!


Would you care to expand upon any of the points you have brought up?

Thanks in advance.



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