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But for former U.S. defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his elite Pentagon strategists, it was more like a religious crusade.
The daily briefings about the progress of the war that Mr Rumsfeld gave to President George W Bush were illustrated with victorious quotes from the Bible and gung-ho photographs of U.S. troops, it has emerged.
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
The point is, wise-ass, that WE DON'T blow ourselves up in the name of God.
They ARE fighting a holy war and they admit it. We don't.
— Doc Velocity
LOL, sorry my friend, but that was about the biggest pile I have ever read before. Never once, never in anything I have written on ATS have I said those in anti-american countries are below myself or others. Never, not once.
Originally posted by December_Rain
Well if they had modern weaponry like F-16, Submarines, War ships etc. they would not blow themselves up. It's all matter of available weaponry.
Originally posted by ProUSA
Does it really matter what the scopes say?
I doubt the United States military buys the equipment because of the engravings on them, don't be foolish. The company was the most cost-effective way to go.
This thread is a prime example of taking something that's not a big deal and being dramatic enough to propose that it's some sort of terrible tragedy...
The first recorded suicide attacks were in the late 17th century, Qing official Yu Yonghe recorded that injured Dutch soldiers fighting against Koxinga's forces for control of Taiwan in 1661 would use gunpowder to blow up both themselves and their opponents rather than be taken prisoner.
Then during the Belgian Revolution, the Dutch Lieutenant Jan van Speijk detonated his own ship in the harbour of Antwerp to prevent being captured by the Belgians. Another example was the Prussian soldier Karl Klinke on 18 April 1864 at the Battle of Dybbøl, when he blew a hole in a Danish fortification.
Modern suicide bombing as a political tool can be traced back to the assassination of Tsar Alexander II of Russia in 1881. While driving on one of the central streets of Saint Petersburg, near the Winter Palace, he was mortally wounded by the explosion of hand-made grenades and died a few hours afterwards. The Tsar was killed by a member of Narodnaya Volya, Ignacy Hryniewiecki, who died while intentionally exploding the bomb during the attack.
Then there was a famous case of Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff trying to assassinate Adolf Hitler by suicide bomb in 1943.
Originally posted by ProUSA
reply to post by truthquest
I agree with you, sir. I don't think it's a big deal at all. I'm not a particularly religous fellow, but it still annoys me when people go to extremes and believe that everything Christian is plane evil.
Who cares about engravings? People that have nothing else to whine and complain about, that's who. I agree with you, truthquest. If the pope starts ordering our troops around, and like events happen, then we'll have a real problem.
Until then, people are just complaining to complain.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by johnny2127
The reality is we are there for a lot of different reasons friend.
Different people support the war for different reasons and different people sell the war to people for different reasons like...
George H. W. Bush..."I was walking in the Rose Garden and G-d told me to attack Iraq"
That would be the RELIGIOUS CRUSADE CROWD that he was selling that bit of nonsense to with that very famous quote!!
Originally posted by Aeons
You keep beating that "you are all Christians" "you are engaging in a Holy War" "1000 year old history is why this is happening" thing.
At least the "it all about the oil!" people actually sound plausible.
[edit on 2010/1/18 by Aeons]