Indian TV's unsound fury

I read this article and think it provides a good context to the whole "Violence against Indians in Australia" issue. There's not too much to comment on because the article is rather self-explanatory. Those people that have expressed their anger against Australia about its "mistreatment" of Indian students will see that the Indian media has been a key player in making this issue seem much worse than it actually is.

Indian TV's unsound fury
More Murders in India than Australia

Indian TV's unsound fury

In 2007, according to India's National Crime Records Bureau, 32,318 people were murdered in India. Another 3644 were victims of ''culpable homicide'', roughly equating to manslaughter. In a category of its own, 8093 brides or their relatives were killed in ''dowry deaths'' - murdered by greedy grooms and in-laws angry over the amount of dowry paid by the bride's family. And there were a further 27,401 attempted murders.

By contrast, in 2007, the Australian Bureau of Statistics reports, 255 people were murdered in Australia. Another 28 were victims of manslaughter, and 246 survived attempted murders. No dowry deaths were recorded.

India, of course, is a very big country. But the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime estimates that relative to population, its homicide rate is more than twice that of Australia. It is a country in which violent crime is commonplace - so commonplace that every day more than 100 Indians are murdered by other Indians, yet their TV news channels treat this as humdrum unless it involves some celebrity or unusual features.

Yet when an Indian is murdered overseas, these news channels whip themselves and their viewers into a froth of indignation at the country concerned. How can this happen?, they thunder. How can any civilised nation fail to protect its residents? What kind of racist country is this?

How does this happen? Well, it happens because human beings are imperfect creatures. They can be selfish, they can be hateful, they can enjoy hurting, even killing, other humans. It happens here, it happens in India, it happens everywhere.

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[edit on 18/1/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Perhaps the violence in India has become such a common affair that it has become accepted or 'overlooked' for incidents to occur when there is such emotional and greed charged dowry in their culture.

Maybe it has become something that the Indian government can't control, but if it happens outside their country it's much easier to pinpoint anger and unite under some common banner.

With that the Indian government certainly doesn't cover this issue, but can we really say that about other countries aswell? Does the USA cover the low profile street murders or extreme domestic violence (probably not as much as you think...).

It's unfortunate when people play the blame game, but cannot even look at themselves.

Originally posted by Rhezwin
Perhaps the violence in India has become such a common affair

35,000 or so murders out of one Billion people is not very common.

That is like one murder per 30,000 people. Pretty rare.
( 1billion / 35,000 )

There is roughly 652 births per 30,000 people.

Here is my math and resource.

"Birth rate
21.76 births/1,000 population (2009 est.)"

en.wikipedia.org...

21.76 x 30 = 652.8

1 murder for every 652 births.

The media is blowing the wrong thing out of proportion here.


[edit on 18-1-2010 by muzzleflash]

And your comparing a India which is somewhat recognised still as a third world country to a first world country as Australia. Conditions in India is so much more different that what your used to living in.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by nahsik]

The Indian Press love distorting the facts too. For instance, the case of Pardeep Kumar, the Indian man that was murdered in the Sunraysia/Riverina area, then burned and dumped on the side of the road was reported in India as racially motivated Australian hate crime... even though the only people questioned in the murder were Indians attempting to leave the country in a major hurry.

Police probing the murder quizzed and seized the passports of two men at Sydney airport believed to be Indian seasonal workers employed by Mr Singh.

Source: Sunday Herald Sun

The article goes on to say:

Griffith Mayor Mike Neville said he was certain the community would help police to solve the crime.

Cr Neville said police had not yet revealed a possible motive, but there had been labour issues with other waves of workers from Italy, Turkey and now India.

‘‘The thought perhaps that this i s a non-payment of labour-related fees or wages or whatever is probably an issue,’’ Cr Neville said.

‘‘But it could have been any generation or cultural background because it has happened in the past.’’

NSW police are dealing with Mr Kumar’s murder probe as the Mildura man may have been killed after being driven north over the Murray River.

His body has still not been formally identified 96 days after it was found.

He reportedly had $16,000 with him, not taken by his attacker, on the night he was killed.

The Australian Workers Union’s Harry Goring said he had heard of unpaid labourers taking matters into their hands.

‘‘Over the past 12 months there have been two assaults around that area, people endeavouring to retrieve money for labour,’’ Mr Goring said.

‘‘I’m not saying for a moment that it’s this (case) with this man, but there have been a number of fracases in relation to Indian people pursuing certain individuals.’’

Source: Sunday Herald Sun

Then you have the recent murder of Nitin Garg in Melbourne's Western Suburbs... well known for it's gangs, drugs and multi ethnicities. India has no clue as to who the murderer was or if it was even racially related, but the way they are reporting it gives you the distinct impression that the murderer was a racially motivated white guy.

Here's an excerpt from an interesting article that details the area where Nitin was murdered that people should read. It goes on to say:

These western suburbs have long been a “vibrant multicultural community” in local councillor’s election speeches — and indeed they are, with shops, temples, restaurants and festivals brimming with people from Vietnam, Ethiopia, Sudan, India, Uygur refugees from China, and Karen from the Thai-Burma border — even a few shell-shocked Anglos escaping the high rents of St Kilda.

But the flip side of all the “vibrancy” is that many of the new arrivals, and plenty of the older ones — including a well-established Anglo-Celtic and southern European working poor — do not have the education, community facilities and job opportunities that overseas critics of “racist Australia” would assume is the Australian birthright.

Source: A snapshot of the neighborhood where Nitin Garg was killed

The article goes on to quote Les Twentyman who is one of the few voices in Australia that suggested there may be racial motivation. However, his quotes are light years apart from what the Indians are reporting.

Twentyman is one of the few voices in the Australian media maintaining Garg’s murder “may have been racially motivated”, though his elaboration on this point might surprise critics in India. “It could have been someone from any of the ethnic groups that killed him,” he says. “There’s a kind of a status thing between the poorer kids and the Indians. They see Indians working for department stores or debt collectors or banks — jobs they can’t get. They see Indian guys as physically weaker — easy to push around — and financially better off. And what have they got to lose? You’ve got kids arrive here from war zones — you meet kids who’ve seen their parents beheaded and who never get properly debriefed and counselled. They’re not scared of jail — after what they’ve seen prison looks like a five-star hotel.

“It’s the poor suburbs that have always had to digest these groups of people — the more you pour into one area the more it tops up the problems. I’d like to see it spread around the city more.

“Jobs, education and recreation are what give these kids something to live for besides joining gangs and getting into heroin. I’ve been warning about gangs and weapons here for 20 years. Now suddenly everyone’s saying ‘#, what can we do about that’?”

Source: A snapshot of the neighborhood where Nitin Garg was killed

So were talking about a very hostile/dangerous neighborhood here with many ethnicities and a major gang and drug problem. The reality of this area hardly gives one the impression that it's filled with white supremacists. But that's the complexion that the Indian press would have their people believe. Most of whom do not have the resources to check the facts for themselves.

I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg here.

IRM :shk:

[edit on 18/1/10 by InfaRedMan]

It's quite simple.

Education is a major industry in Australia.

India is a nuclear power, wants our uranium, but refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. This means Australia cannot supply it.

The Indian government is trying to blackmail us into selling it uranium by frightening students out of coming here.

A government which will use such deceitful, underhand, bullying tactics on a friend country is one we should not be enabling to make more nuclear bombs.

Originally posted by Kailassa
It's quite simple.

Education is a major industry in Australia.

India is a nuclear power, wants our uranium, but refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. This means Australia cannot supply it.

The Indian government is trying to blackmail us into selling it uranium by frightening students out of coming here.

A government which will use such deceitful, underhand, bullying tactics on a friend country is one we should not be enabling to make more nuclear bombs.

I think that is totally stupid take on why you believe india is acting the way the are over the recent spate of violence against indian students. You are being very one sided and don't acknowledge the fact that if things were the other way around and australians were getting murdered over in India, I don't think you would be standing around here saying 'oh australians are not being targeted over their ethnicity'. I'm pretty sure we would have the same public outcry that indian students over here are showing. I'm pretty sure it would be far worse as shown with such events as the cronulla riots and lat australia day.

Furthermore, India is not the only country to have its students travel to australia to study. If you haven't noticed but a lot of european countries have students studying abroad in Australia as well as other asian countries.

I think playing the blame game and saying who did what is childish and ignoring to address the issue head on is far worse.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by nahsik]

reply to post by Kailassa


Dude you are way off the mark here. N.P.T has nothing to do with Racism.

Also the reason India has not signed NPT because it argues that the NPT creates a club of "nuclear haves" and a larger group of "nuclear have-nots" by restricting the legal possession of nuclear weapons to those states that tested them before 1967, but the treaty never explains on what ethical grounds such a distinction is valid.

Btw you forgot to mention India is one of the few countries to have a no first use policy, a pledge not to use nuclear weapons unless first attacked by an adversary using nuclear weapons. The main reason India cites for not signing the NPT and for possessing nuclear weapons is that China is one of the "nuclear haves."

No one is denying that Indian students have been targeted in some cases due to race. The Indian media has made it seem like a "Racist White Australians" mistreating "Innocent Dark Indians" and this has impacted on Australia as a whole. The fact remains that the vast majority of crime perpetrated on Indian students in Australia has nothing to do with Australia's attitude or her people. If anything, it is that we have been way too lenient with our immigration laws which has led to undesirable individuals coming here from other countries and forming gangs and starting trouble.

Take a look at the "Nazi salute" story at the Australian tennis open. I bet the media will paint it as "Racism on the rise in the Land Down Under!" But was it actually Australians doing this and behaving in this manner? No, it was a large group of Croatians! It is almost always some form of ethnic gang behind these acts of violence and racism. But instead, the Inidian Media prefers to make it a "Black vs. White" issue where White Australians are seen as the aggressors.