Originally posted by Dromadus
Originally posted by johnny2127
How about some examples of your statement please? Seriously, please provide some examples.
And to answer you question; the reason I am 'down' on Obama is because of all of his campaign lies and how he undermining democracy every step of
OK, then I would like some examples from you of what lies Obama is telling and what he is doing to undermine democracy?
No problem buddy.
Here are some lies, many of which are what is weakening democracy:
1) All bills would be posted online for all to read for at least 1 week
REALITY: No bills are posted and they even hide them from Republicans
2) Health care debate and negotiation would be televised on C-SPAN.
REALITY: They lock the doors to all meetings, don't let anyone in besides Democrat leaders, Obama, and union heads.
3) Promised to roll back the Patriot Act and do away with warrantless wire taps.
REALITY: They renewed and strengthen all of these things that liberals used to complain about and now are silent on.
4) Said we would get out of Iraq within 16 months.
REALITY: Amended that timeline and now says they will leave 'only' 30,000-40,000 troops there.
5) Said he would reign in Wall Street
REALITY: quietly approved hundreds of millions in bonuses to his friends at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (which are taken over by govt now and losing
10's of billions). Billions approved to the Wall Street firms govt bailed out too.
6) Said he would not tax the middle class an extra cent.
REALITY: Cap and Trade and the Health Care bill add many taxes to the middle class
7) Said he would veto any bill that had pork in it
REALITY: There was more pork and paybacks to supporters in the stimulus and other bills. In fact, many democrats even called the stimulus the
biggest pork bill they had ever seen.
8) Said he would close the door to special interests in his administration and prevent them from having influence on legislation.
REALITY: After signing his executive order about lobbyists, immediately wrote side letters exempting many of the lobbyists he was putting into his
administration. Additionally, he cut deals with health care companies for their support. And gave a $60 billion bribe to Unions for them to support
health care, while including them in the legislation writing process behind closed doors (even though all Republicans were locked out and not
9) Said no bills would be rushed and rammed down people's throat.
REALITY: Rammed stimulus down Congress' throat under the guise of saying we would immediately enter a depression we may not get out of, if that bill
wasn't passed. Rushing health care legislation and won't even let it go to committee as is the usual process from fear of delay. The health care
bills passed by the house and senate were both finalized less than 48 hours before Democrats forced a final vote, preventing anyone the ability to
have gone through the entire thing.
Should I continue or do those lies and ways democracy has been weakened suffice?
[edit on 18-1-2010 by johnny2127]