we need a standard for our currency and gold and gems are SO last century.

screw the dollar,euro and whatever else,those are retarded worthless and weak.
the new currency?

the kilowatt/hour.
problem solved

As an old school Blacksmith,I use scrap steel.Tests to determine fitness for duty include the spark test and the ring test.Also and more fit for this need is the bounce test for testing hardness.I think one could find out pretty quickly which bars are in need of further drill testing by merely making a solid gold hammer (so as to not mar the surface too much)and then hitting the bar in question.Might take a bit to 'get it' but after that you have a quick rough test.Or the use of a steel hammer would leave a mark on a real bar,slightly destructive,but that mark could be an added sign of having been tested.

So there is scant word on this in any news I have been looking/listening for.I read yesterday that all the assayers are employed,and if this is so this will shortly be debunked or not,eh?Or they'd be sworn to secrecy?And self interest would be????

Then one might look to stocks and wonder about insider info.Au in the hand is better than W in the bush?

The report of the faked 400 oz bars is in itself mathematically incorrect.

400 oz of genuine gold (or tungsten if you will) displace about 784 ml or g
of water.

Therefore multiplying 1,400.000 bars of 400 oz by 784 ml (= 0.784 kg)
gives you only 1,097,60 metric tons instead of the quoted 16,000.

Fabricating 400-oz blanks makes no sense, if you have to coat them (3mm ?)
by a still important mass of genuine gold.

You don´t have to drill holes. You only have to measure the conductivity of
a bar against a reference bar of genuine gold. Gold is a far better conductor.

The travel of sound through a bar could be measured also.

Put it in an oven or a deep-freeze and register how fast it loses or gains
temperature. It´s just an assumption, because I don´t have a 400-oz bar
to do it with.

The gold stock of a country has by all standards of accounting, resp. by law,
to be shown in the Treasury´s balance. It is public.

When we discussed the topic 3 months ago in a German forum for gold
investments, I could produce on Internet the specific page and entry of
the German government´s gold possessions ( of which about 3,700 tons at the time physically in Frankfurt).

Several thousand tons of the German Reich´s stock was confiscated after
the end of WW II by the Americans, still today physically resting in the
underground of Manhattan.

Paris and London gave back their parts of the total confiscation. The US
did not. When questions in Germany are raised, why the central bank is
not in physical possession of that gold, the public is being calmed down
by the fact of it being shown as a credit on Germany´s balance. The reason for removing it from German territory was to prevent it from falling into the
hands of the Russians.

Why doesn´t someone near Fort Knox go there, have a look, and ask entry
into the building ? I think it is still heavily guarded. So there must be some-
thing of value to guard.

Originally posted by trueforger
Doesn't electricity only flow along the outside of a mass?

HF AC has the skin effect, DC flows through the whole mass

[edit on 5/2/10 by dereks]

Someone had to commission the Tungsten and someone had to then deliver the fake gold. There should be records of when this was delivered and who authorize this delivery. Whoever that authorizing signature was, is most likely knowledgeable with regard to what happened and why but more importantly who within the Executive authorized such a gold delivery to Fort Knox or the UK.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by mmiichael
Can anyone over 12 really think Rothschild was being literal in this quip he made on a public forum.

I'm over 12 and that's what I think.

Maybe, just maybe, he was being iron and hyperbolic?

Or maybe he just doesn't give a rat's ass if you know or not because you couldn't stop him anyway.


I guess David Rockefeller was being ironic/hyperbolic when he said this, too?

A fallback of Google dendent conspiracists is to find a quote from some ancient interview and try to use it as proof whatever case they're pushing.

Hisotry is complex intertwined events - not remarks made by people who became historically important.

I think it was John Stuart Mill who when people confronted him with old quotes said: I believed those things one, when I was younger and in different circumstances.

Anyway, we know Hollywood's James Cameron is "King of the World"

He said so in a speech at the Academy Awards. You can Google it.

Originally posted by mmiichael
A fallback of Google dendent conspiracists is to find a quote from some ancient interview and try to use it as proof whatever case they're pushing.

The quote came from a book actually, but I don't see how anything about this rant debunks the man's own words. I got it from Wikipedia actually, not Google, because I already knew this quote existed and I knew it was on Wikipedia. But again this makes absolutely no freaking difference. It's in print. He wrote it. You didn't even respond to what he said at all. Typical.

Hisotry is complex intertwined events - not remarks made by people who became historically important.

Yeah, I'm sure it IS complex when people can say something outright and you have to race your mind to justify it as the guy meaning something completely different than what he said somehow.


The guy's a Bilderberger (do you know who they are?), a senior member of the CFR, and he FOUNDED the Trilateral Commission. Three in a row! AND he writes a book saying outright in it that if someone is making the claim that he's trying to create a one world order, in so many words, then he stands guilty as charged, and is "proud of it."

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Btw this guy and his brother Nelson, governor of New York at the time, were the guys who got the WTC project underway, so much that at one time it was considered to name the Twin Towers "David" and "Nelson" instead of WTC1 and WTC2. I'm not saying anything else about that. Just mentioning a simple fact. Read into it what you will, you crazy paranoid.

[edit on 6-2-2010 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by Quickfix
I'll stick with gold, platinum (white gold), and silver coins.

Platinum isn't white gold, it's platinum. White gold is a blend of silver and gold.

Also, most countries in the world got rid of the Gold standard way back in the 1970's. Only faith in the currency itself is keeping the value up, not any real assets.

Anyway. even if all the Gold in such reserves was real, it would be no where near enough to back up the amount of currency it is supposedly supporting.

Interesting note: Japan was forbidden after WW2 of having any gold in reserve, so they now have the worlds (or did have when I learned this fact) largest reserve of platinum instead.

Originally posted by bsbray11
I'm not saying anything else about that. Just mentioning a simple fact. Read into it what you will, you crazy paranoid.

Wish I was paranoid. Then I could understand why the wealthiest most powerful people in the world are secretly plotting to become somehow wealthier and more powerful. Why the US to go into Middle East has to first destroy it's most valuable real estate by hitting it with airliners and then bombing it. How all terrorist activities are actually manipulation by the CIA, Mossad, etc. How every major conflict in the world is really a false-flag. And on and on and on.

This is going to cause a war. They may say its about something else but it always comes down to money.

America we have been robbed and its time the guilty be judged.

Originally posted by HimWhoHathAnEar

Having control over a nations money supply obviously brings with it the ability to put that nation in bondage. Parasites erm.... Central Banks create money for their hosts at interest. The interest is never created, so the debt could never be extinguished. Is there anyone over 12 who thinks that benefits the host?

Don't want to get into a heated debate on a vastly complex subject, but this seems grossly simplistic.

One thing you forgot to note, central banks also take risks on people and businesses and lose money. As we've seen the last couple years.

We aren't living hand to mouth like in the Middle Ages largely because we do have vast banking networks interfacing worldwide. Without loans, investments, advance funding, mortgages, we'd be living in a basic barter economy with whoever had he most powerful military behind them in full control.

Don't they teach in schools basic economics? How banking systems are integral to modern societies.

There's more to it that Big Bad Evil Bankers.