Middle East on fire

Seems the turd just might have sealed his fate :

3 Dutch marines held in Libya after failed rescue

Three Dutch marines are being held by authorities in Libya after they were captured by forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi while trying to rescue Dutch workers, a Defense Ministry spokesman said Thursday.

The three were surrounded by armed men and captured Sunday after landing near Sirte in a Lynx helicopter that was on board the navy ship HMS Tromp, which is anchored off the Libyan coast to help evacuations from the conflict torn country, spokesman Otte Beeksma told The Associated Press.

Dutch officials are in "intensive negotiations" with Gadhafi's government to secure the marines' release, he said.

Hopefully Gadhafi continues to be stupid and tell the Dutch government to go play in the bushes... so the hammer finally comes down on him.

I fear any foreign Journalist might be in Danger, who are currently in Tripoli or near Pro-Gaddafi Forces. I found it pretty stupid the first Time i heard that they are gonna go there. It just Screams "Hostage Situation" if things escalates even further...

Those that goes there will know full well the consequences of being captured. They went in with their eyes open and upon their free will. They volunteered. Including the rescuers. They should have not been there.,..

There will be no hostages for bargaining, more so with a beast. The freedom of a nation depends on it. Beasts have no honour or will remain faithful to whatever they promised

Everyone, and I mean everyone, in Libya is a dead man, should the beast be allowed to live, who will only wreck and destroy even more lives. Everyone's fate is sealed today on the shores of Tripoli.....

Originally posted by Shenon
I fear any foreign Journalist might be in Danger, who are currently in Tripoli or near Pro-Gaddafi Forces. I found it pretty stupid the first Time i heard that they are gonna go there. It just Screams "Hostage Situation" if things escalates even further...

Indeed, their job is very dangerous. Anyone in Tripoli is in danger really, those with a camera, anyone with a camera, is in even more danger.

As for the commandos captured, hell yes they volunteered... they are SPECIAL FORCES.

Egypt :

Reuters: Egypt PM Shafiq resigns - armed forces say in statement on their Facebook page

Very good news!

AFP news had just reported that 100 pro-gaddafi soldiers in Brega had been captured.

1.)The rebels must not ever mistreat this soldiers whom had either surrendered or captured, but treat them as prisoners of war just like any other civil nation would, with compassion and mercy. Many had been forced to do what they did.

When these soldiers are treated fairly, other soldiers on the pro-gaddafi side will realized that the rebellion has justice on its side, unlike Gaddafi, whom only offered them one choice - either they fight or be executed immediately, and may willingly end the bloodshed at some point in time than to fight to the last.

Gaddafi will make all attempts to smear the rebels by using those captured soldiers as a propaganda means to frighten and create hatred for rebels within his camp, with tales and lies of tortures and brutalities. Therefore it would be wise to show to the world news correspondents how the rebels treat the POWs once they are behind bars(Prison) so that the truth be known.


2.) There are reports too that Gaddafi had ordered the capture of known rebels' family, perhaps to use as hostage or may even simply murder them.

This is a barbarious act that not even wild beasts will do. Gaddafi is absolutely non-human and the worst species of beast. There are no words anyone can say to console those whose families had been taken, but then, many more families had been brutally murdered by Gaddafi long before, and thus this uprising to get rid finally of him.

Those whom had suffered, suffers the same pain, and Gaddafi must be quickly eliminated, before more other innocent families be harmed. The time for negotiations of peace had been long over. If he wishes to be stubborn, to hold on to power, and dig in deeper, then let him. At least it will spare the rebels' effort to dig a grave for him. He had only done it on his own.

There will be no peace for the thousands of his victims that screamed for justice if Gaddafi remains alive.

It seems that Venezuela's Hugo Chavez would like to mediate on behalf of his beast buddy Gaddafi for Libyan peace, according to AFP lastest report, and is supported by former UK's ambassador to Washington, Chris Meyer who prefers mediation. Gaddafi seems to be warm to Chavez's proposal.

Thing is, the only ones whom can give peace to Libya is not Gaddafi, but his brainwashed troops loyal to him. Perhaps the Arab League, International Criminal Court, National Libyan Council and UN should try instead to appeal to his soldiers by offering pardons and amnesty if those commanders and troops would lay down their weapons and make their way to a safe zone outside Tripoli protected by those organising forces instead.

It will ensure lesser bloodshed. Better than to let the beast and his sons walk free, after so much of their brutalities to peaceful protestors, his own soldiers, whom are our fellow humans.

It will then leave Gaddafi isolated, and him only to be dealt with, and will not be a civil war, but only an anti-gang arrest issue by citizens.

A horrifying human tragedy is occuring in Libya and those African nations that are in the pay and supporters of the beast Gaddafi.

While the rest of world's humanity are busy repatriating displaced persons with their own funds and efforts, unemployed African youths are either forced or duped by those dictators and their henchmen in their countries to sacrifice their lives for the beast by flying in Libya to fight the rebels.

A case of killing two birds with one stone. Firstly, they got rid of youth unemployment in their countries, and secondly, got rid of our fellow young african brothers and sisters whom may one day soon turn against their regimes themselves.

Most of them will not see their monies, for those funds are often in promissary form or held by unconscionable 3rd parties, whom will only egarly flee with the money once the foolish mercenaries departs.

EIthe UN and those good men left in african regimes halt this trageday, or only more innocent youths - the world's future - will be lost forever in the insane cause of fighting for the Libyan beast.

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A horrifying human tragedy is occuring in Libya and those African nations that are in the pay and supporters of the beast Gaddafi.

While the rest of world's humanity are busy repatriating displaced persons with their own funds and efforts, unemployed African youths are either forced or duped by those dictators and their henchmen in their countries to sacrifice their lives for the beast by flying in Libya to fight the rebels.

Very true.

Tunisia :

Tunisia sets elections for July 24 (DPA)

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Ivory Coast :

200,000 civilians flee strife in Ivory Coast after elections results not accepted (Israel Radio)

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Iraq :

Iraq PM demands 12,000 Kurdish troops leave disputed city Kirkuk (Reuters)

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Palestine :

Gaza banks close in protest at Hamas cash seizure (Reuters)

Hamas leaders leave Gaza for meeting with comrades to discuss new Shalit deal (Israel Radio)

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Yemen :

Government official: Yemen President will respond "positively" to reform calls (Reuters)

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Turkey :

Turkey PM accuses pro-Kurdish party of serving as spokesman for outlawed rebel group (AP)

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Libya :

Libyan rebels bolster defenses in country's east following airstrike by Gadhafi's forces (Reuters)

Report: Air strikes hit Brega airport and a rebel position in nearby town Ajdabiyah (Reuters)

Gadhafi endorses Chavez negotiation plan; rebel council rejects talks with Gadhafi (News Agencies)

Report: Russia stands to lose $4 billion in arms deals due to unrest in Libya (Reuters)

Pentagon cites evidence of Libya using air power, possibly on rebels (Reuters)

Libyan rebel-held city on guard, fears for supplies (Reuters)

Report: Gadhafi forces renew bombing on eastern Libya oil town of Brega (Reuters)

Libya prisoner release stokes fears of tribal strife

Gutted and looted, the vandalism of some Libyan prisons and the release of inmates has sparked unrest and fear in parts of the country that have risen up against Muammar Gaddafi's rule.

Officials in Libya's rebel-held east told Reuters government forces set prisoners free when anti-Gaddafi protests took hold two weeks ago, a move certain to cause strife in a tribal society where revenge is a right.

"I'm not happy about this. There were murderers in there. The government forces opened the doors, and gathered outside were people who wanted the prisoners' blood," said Saeed Jumah, 28, as he looted a Benghazi prison.

That's just sick.
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Egypt :

Abbas to head of Egypt's military: We wish the military council success in its duties (Haaretz)

Al-Ahram: Unconfirmed reports that new Egypt PM to be sworn in at Tahrir Square (Haaretz)

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Bahrain :

Gulf leaders eye their own 'Marshall Plan' funding of Oman, Bahrain to quell protests (AP)

Bahrain opposition drops pre-conditions for talks (Reuters)

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Israel :

Kadima MK Mofaz: Unilateral declaration of Palestinian state dangerous to Israel (Ch. 10)

Defense Minister Barak: Makeup of government does not allow for advancing peace (Ch. 10)

Barak meets with top U.S. officials to discuss regional developments and security (Haaretz)

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Iran :
Israel to 'finally' impose sanctions on Iran
Ain't that something. For nearly a decade Israel said how bad Iran was... and there were never Israeli sanctions against Iran all this time? Wut?

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I never thought Mo was that stupid I guess he never learned his lesson from the last time the USAF bombed him..

By now in Libya, the stalemate had been proven true. Gaddafi attacking the rebel strongholds to keep them too busy from reinforcing any action on the capital. And any other actions in Tripoli had long been expected and prepared by the beast's minions.

The mistake and lesson had to be learnt by the rebels, or they will never progress.Tripoli is a beast stronghold, and you cannot just simply march in, with protestors unarmed and expect the best.

Majority of Gaddafi's armed men are mercenaries, even though some of the observers in the pay of their masters will claim otherwise and that Gaddafi is right to kill and murder his fellow unarmed countrymen whom only begged for succor.

How do you differentiate a Nicaraguan or a Venezulan, or even a Taurig farmer from a Libyan? You can't, as long as he claim he is a Libyan and brush you off. One can't do a DNA check on the spot.

So how does one deal with the majority mercenaries and the minority brainwashed corrupted Libyan officers? You can't, for their weakness are minor. They exists in the pay and promises of the master/masters( sons of the beast) and the loyalty and honour is the money, very seldom can they bought again.

There is no use to look for world's armed intervention, for the world is still stuck in many wars and more critically - the committment level. Forget about no fly zone, for Russia whom have vested interest with Gaddafi, will veto any vote. Anyway, this is a fight that Libyan men must fight on their own, as the Vietnamese had to liberate their nation, or be slaves to dictators forever.

But still, it is fight that Libyans can win, despite the setbacks today.

Reagan was a wise man. He wasted no time with invasion as the moron Bush tried to do. He went straight to the jagular - Gaddafi. Even though he missed the beast by mere seconds, gaddafi was silence enough to mind his own biz for decades.

This is the lesson the National Libyan Council should learn, if it seeks to end bloodshed quckly. Go for the heart -Gaddafi.

In most dictatorships, trust in non-existant, not even amongst sons. He micro-manages every aspect on the rule of the nation, and often at the whim and fancies of his moment. Once you get rid of the dictator, every arm force or mercenaries gives up, for there are no more orders, and any orders given is not to be trusted, unlike democracies, where there is a chain of command each executive is expected out of his role.

And that's how the S korean's special elite of the elite forces are trained -aim for the dictator, throughout their training, from recruit to end of contract service, passed on to the next recruit, for 60 years. They are the 'terminator' units, unknown by the many but only to the few. Nothing stops them, and everything is taught to them, from subjugation techniques of a conmen to the fuses on a nuke command switch console.

Indira Gandhi of India was killed by her own subjugated bodyguards.

Sand models of the dictator's compound, real mock ups built in mountain and valley hideways with real troops, updated regularly movements are often rehearsed and practiced by those troops. They live for the kill, for they are the terminator units - a breed apart to save the nation.

While it may be impossible to train such operatives in such short time in the Libyan case, the most vital and critical aspect of the south korean trainning was the worry of motivation The S.Korean soldier may not have the reason to perform to his best as they had been living in peace for decades.

But for the Libyans, its a no brainer, for many had watched with their own eyes how their fellow countrymen and loved ones were kidnapped, tortured or murdered. This accelerates the trainning curve.

Intelligence and prepardness saves lives. No more will there be mad rushes into the capital. No more 'unarmed or armed protests' for the beast had shown he is willing to murder anyone protesting. Fortify existing cities, destroy their communications and broadcast capabilities, go on with life as normal, harass him whenever possible, plead for a UN arms embargo and targetted sanctions, but go for the heart of the beast once ready.

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Yeah unfortunately this looks more and more like it will last for weeks, if not months.

Israel :

Coalition chairman says opposes proposed Netanyahu peace initiative (Army Radio)

That might explain quite some things.
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Iraq :

Hundreds gather in downtown Baghdad for an anti-government demonstration (AP)

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Egypt :

New Egypt PM salutes revolution 'martyrs' in Tahrir Square speech (Reuters)

Report: At least one killed in clashes at Egypt state security building (Army Radio)

Hundreds march on State Security building in Alexandria, Egypt (AP)

Egypt's new PM vows to meet protesters' demands (AP)

Egypt sets March 19 date for referendum (Reuters)

Moussa hits campaign trail in Egypt presidency race (Reuters)

Report: Mubarak under investigation for exporting artificially cheap gas to Israel (Army Radio)

Officers and employees in Egypt state security building evacuated after clashes (DPA)

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Turkey :

European Commission concerned for Turkey democracy after journalists arrested (Reuters)

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Libya :
Libya removes itself from the net

Gadhafi forces send tanks into Libyan city Zawiyah (Haaretz)

U.S. warships arrive at Crete in Libya buildup (AP)

Libyan army carries out heavy shelling on city of Zawiyah (Reuters)

Report: 'Thuds of artillery and explosions' heard 20km from Libya's Ras Lanuf (Reuters)

Libya appoints replacement for dissident UN envoy (Reuters)

At least 30 killed in Libya rebel town clash (Reuters)

Gaddafi's son told he is not allowed to return to German luxury house (DPA)

U.S. flying relief supplies to refugees from Libya in Tunisia (AP)

Swiss ban financial transfers to Gadhafi clan (Reuters)

Gadhafi asks UN to accept new Libyan ambassador (AP)

The death toll from explosions at an arms dump in an area held by Libyan rebels reached 27 Saturday.

Libyan opposition council to hold first meeting, spokesperson says
Qaddafi forces seize back Zawiyah, near Tripoli
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Jordan :

Jordan's pro-reform camp demands premier step down (AP)

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Saudi Arabia :

22 Saudi Arabians arrested in anti-monarchy protests (Israel Radio)

More Shi'ite protests in Saudi oil region (Reuters)

S Arabia deploys troops amid protests
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Bahrain :

Tens of thousands march in Bahrain, demand cabinet resignation (DPA)

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Yemen :

Yemen president rejects opposition plan to step down by end of 2011 (Reuters)

Rebels: Yemeni Army Shoots Dead Four Protesters
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Lebanon :
Officials: No Need for U.N. Action Under Chapter 7

"There is no need to go to the United Nations. The tribunal is moving ahead 100 percent," Soeid told The Daily Star. "The March 14 coalition, which has 60 lawmakers, is committed to democratic and peaceful means to implement the tribunal's decisions."

So basically they are putting it out there that if the STL doesn't go forward, or Hezbollah opposes it, they could go to the UN with a CHAPTER 7 resolution... and that means :

Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter sets out the UN Security Council's powers to maintain peace. It allows the Council to "determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression" and to take military and nonmilitary action to "restore international peace and security".

Basically the UN could invade Lebanon to arrest those indicted under the STL.

Report: Bellemare Requested Fingerprints of 4 Million Lebanese
The UN really think they own people and are above the law...
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Zimbabwe :
Items About Areas That Could Break Out Into War

As his good friend Muammar Qadaffi confronts a violent revolt in Libya, Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe is cracking down in his miserable country. Mugabe is arresting political opponents and harassing non-governmental aid and human rights organizations. His police have arrested a few people who are passing around stories on the revolts in Libya, Egypt, and Tunisia. Just discussing the revolts can get you arrested for treason. He is also hassling UN human rights bureaucrats.

The situation is crazy...

But by October 2009 the MDC was threatening to pull out of the national unity government. Now the MDC has fractured, though Tsvangirai’s faction remains dominant. Mugabe has remained quite alive; he also reneged on virtually every promise he had made to the MDC when the national unity government was formed. Since then he has jailed MDC opponents and repeatedly threatened Tsvangirai. The main reason Tsvangirai has managed to stay alive is because he is an international figure. However, he got caught in the wikileaks revelations privately telling international diplomats that they should keep sanctions against Zimbabwe in place. This contradicted his public stance. Mugabe accused Tsvangirai of treason. National elections are looming, political violence is increasing in the major cities, and Robert Mugabe remains very much alive. If Qaddafi survives in Libya will he send commandos to help out Mugabe?

Hit the fan in Zimbabwe real soon. Will the MSM cover it? I doubt it.
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Iran :
Aridi asks fuel companies to ignore sanctions against Iran
More than 200 people arrested for protesting against the regime
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Ivory Coast :
AU demands end to Ivory Coast violence

Five African leaders mediating in the Ivory Coast crisis demanded an immediate end to killings and the lifting of a siege on internationally recognised president Alassane Ouattara.

UN suspects Zimbabwe over I.Coast arms embargo breach

UN experts are investigating suspected sanctions-busting arms deliveries from Zimbabwe to Ivory Coast strongman Laurent Gbagbo, according to a UN report.

50 Killed in Ivory Coast Violence in a Week, Says U.N.

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You seem to have forgotten about Ivory Coast...

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You could rename the Thread to somethink like "World on Fire" If Saudi Arabia kicks of,the World will be on Fire for sure....

Crazy how fast it spreads...

Originally posted by Shenon
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

You could rename the Thread to somethink like "World on Fire"

If Saudi Arabia kicks of,the World will be on Fire for sure....

Crazy how fast it spreads...

Indeed.

China is also planning a revolt on March 6...in about 12 hours.

Just a heads up, ive heard from someone I know in the MOD, that British troops are preparing to invade Libya.

Im trying to learn a bit more about it and ill post if I get more info.

Originally posted by Shenon
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

You could rename the Thread to somethink like "World on Fire"

If Saudi Arabia kicks of,the World will be on Fire for sure....

Crazy how fast it spreads...

About oil... this ain't good at all.

Major Libyan oil plant ablaze as rebellions erupt in Tripoli after Friday prayers

* Almost HALF the country's 1.6million barrel a day oil output knocked out
* Fierce fighting raged in five towns and cities after Friday prayers

A major Libyan oil plant was ablaze last night as fresh fighting raged across the country leaving at least 50 dead – including 30 civilians and two rebel commanders.

It is unclear whether the facility in the port area of Zueitina, south of the rebel-held city of Benghazi, was deliberately set on fire or whether the blaze was triggered in battles.

Flames and clouds of black smoke engulfed the oil terminal, which can produce 500,000 barrels a day.

Oil will skyrocket monday morning...

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Scottish troops could be sent to Libya to help with humanitarian efforts in the troubled country.

The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland, is ready to be deployed the North African country at 24 hours' notice, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

Around 200 troops from the Scots battalion have already been moved to an air base in South Cerney, Wiltshire.

The MoD has stressed that the soldiers are prepared to assist with humanitarian operations, not combat.

Those duties could include organising food supplies or emergency evacuations.

It is understood that 24 hours is the routine notice period for the battalion, based at Fort George, near Inverness in the Scottish highlands.

Meanwhile, a Government minister has warned that petrol prices could soar to £2 a litre if the instability in Libya and neighbouring countries escalates.

Alan Duncan, a former oil trader, suggested the price of crude could top 200 dollars a barrel - significantly above the current record of 147 dollars a barrel from July 2008.

In a worst-case scenario where terrorists exploit the turmoil in the Gulf to bomb tankers and reserves, the price could even nudge 250 dollars, which would leave UK motorists paying some £2.03 at the pumps.

"I've been saying in government for two months that if this does go wrong, £1.30 at the pump could look like a luxury," said Mr Duncan, the international development minister. "USD200 is on the cards if... anyone is reckless and foments unrest."

breakingnews.heraldscotland.com...

Looks like the refinery explosion might be one of the reasons they are getting ready.

I was told that this is going to be actual combat not humanitarian.

Im expecting to see troops in Libya today or tomorrow by the looks of it.

If the rebellion is seeking for international noflyzone implementation, they had best hold on to Zawiya, Ras Lanuf and Tobruk. This is where the oil refineries are and there are barrels there awaiting for shipment.

The world facing the prospect of high oil prices are waiting for it, and may be the egg thrown that will crack the stone wall for military air cover intervention with IMMEDIATE implementation, and may even supply the rebellions with military and medical equipment for them in their fight to protect the oil production and arrest the mass murderers that Gaddafi and sons are.

And is also why the murderous Gaddafi and sons are hell bent on capturing these locations, even if millions of civilians or their own forces were to die in that quest. With the oil productions cities secure, the world will only debate longer on the merits of military intervention, and the beasts get to hold on power longer, to kill more, and escape international censure through the interventions of his worldwide mass murdering buddy dictators.

It may even cause the beast to release his best troops, if not all of his army, held back in Tripoli to protect him, into the fray in those cities as its importance are great. And there lays the opportunity for the rebellion to strike the beasts fortress while their might is away.

But that choice to hold those cities will have to be Libyan made. Precious human lives are far more important than oil. Oil will evaporate or used up eventually within a short time, but the human life last longer than that, and each life means something to someone.

We must never descend to the level of the beasts that we are fighting against or we are no better than them. And if the help in the Libyan struggle against the mass murderer seriously requires UN assistance, may it come out of brotherhood of humanity and not out of greed for oil.....

Just picked this off of twitter,this is pretty big imo. The protestors have taken over several state security complexes and are in possession of many documents and computers. This may or may not be true but it is very telling if it is.

TextActivists: Papers from state security nasr city building confirm bombing from Alex. Coptic church last xmas was made by them #egypt #jan25

I wonder just what kind of secrets may be uncovered from these captured documents? There may be,probably will be some very nasty secrets about to be revealed.

Fancy your chances against the SAS, Gaddafi? Elite troops and MI6 spies poised to help Libyan rebelsreply to post by XXXN3O


This was on the Daily Mail website this morning:

Fancy your chances against the SAS, Gaddafi? Elite troops and MI6 spies poised to help Libyan rebels


Britain is to send teams of spies and diplomats into Libya to help oust Colonel Gaddafi, it emerged last night.


MI6 operatives backed by the SAS are to land in the east around the key rebel stronghold of Benghazi 'within days'.

In addition, 600 soldiers of the Black Watch are on 24-hour standby to fly in and avert a humanitarian catastrophe as Libya erupted into a new wave of bloodshed.


Around 200 of the 600 UK troops are ready to deploy at South Cerney forward barracks near RAF Lyneham, Britain's main military air transport base.British diplomats and spies have been engaged in intensive efforts to speak to opposition forces, which are led by Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the rebel National Libyan Council.

Now ministers have approved a presence on the ground to gather information and boost the chances of the rebels.

The liaison teams will be primarily composed of envoys but will include some intelligence officers.

They will link up with Special Forces already in Libya to provide protection and give informal military advice to the Libyan opposition.


The teams are said to be there 'primarily' to gather information. But they will advise the rebels on how to secure a handover of power and set up a democratic government.
'Once we get to the stage where we have a transition, part of what we're looking at is supporting that transition,' a source said.

Britain has also stepped up its military preparations, sending the frigate Westminster and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship Argus to the area.

full article here