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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Its all in the thread I linked.
I do not want to fill this one with debate.

And I am not a U.S. detractor.

I do not consider the shadow government, and the globalists
"my government".

I am sure you did not read my thread.

Thanks. bts~
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posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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I read about Code Pink and Obama's alleged BFFs the Muslim Brotherhood. For the record, Israel and Haaretz are pretty anti-Obama. I respect that you want to keep this thread clean, and I agree----but you must admit that bringing the subject up here and then asking not to discuss it here is pretty unreasonable. I think we should keep this thread about facts and breaking news and verifiable conspiracies (like the US supplying tear gas, the looters being Mubarak agents, etc) and not the conspiracies that are based on loose conglomerations of various ATS threads, you know? So I agree, let's not discuss it here. Let's not discuss any conspiracy theories here that don't have credible proof and don't pass the "simplicity" test for logic, you know? Let's just not mention those kind of theories at all.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Concern at events in Egpyt appears to be spreading into the world of business. Reuters reports that oil giant Shell is preparing to pull international staff and their families out of Egypt on Sunday



Al Arabiya: Saudi Arabia has evacuated 5,000 Saudis from Egypt



Al Jazeera: 100,000 protesters in Northern Egyptian city of Mansoura chanting against Mubarak

Out of a population of 1 million, that's quite crazy.


Extra military arrives at the square but is held back by people, dramatic scenes, hundreds are blocking the tanks.

+1


RT @Jan25voices: Now: Tantawi is now Minister of Defence and Military Production. Live on Egyptian TV. Source: "This might trigger some heat." #Jan25 #Egypt



Discontent is ample in Morocco, the poorest, least developed North African nation, and many are inspired by developments in Egypt. Meanwhile, Morocco's King Mohammed VI rests in his French luxury chalet.



RO - Gangs of armed men attacked at least four jails across Egypt before dawn Sunday, helping to free hundreds of Muslim militants and thousands of other inmates as police vanished from the streets of Cairo and other cities.



El Baradei on CNN "The Muslim Brotherhood is a minority in Egypt, they are not a majority"



"The myth about the Muslim Brotherhood has been perpetuated by the regime"



"(The Muslim Brotherhood) is in favour of a constitution where every Egyptian has the same rights & obligations"



"We need to include them (the MB). They are as much a part of Egypt as the Marxists are"



* De-escalate. No confrontation in the streets. Withdraw police from the streets. Change the government (fire everyone) and appoint new people.
* Misdirect. Re-focus on looting (property crime). Initiate looting through the use of security forces in civilian garb (reports of this). Make the people feel unsafe/scared. Increase levels of chaos. Open the doors of the prisons (reports of this). Make it seem like the entire country is burning/falling apart.
* Militarize. Bring in the military to control key intersections and protect key buildings. Increasingly, focus the military on stoping property crime and violence. Realign government to increase ties to military.
* Wait. The protests will continue. However, with the fear of violence removed and people unable to take over key buildings, Mubarak and his cronies remain. The protests eventually diminish.
* Lock Down. The police return, with military backing. The secret police begin to ratchet up operations to re-establish a fear of the government.

That's Mubarak strategy...


"The mood amongst the people, who were very positive towards the army, does seem to be changing. People are very very suspicious of the army now. They want to know why a squadron of Egypt's best tanks is sitting in the entrance to square," he said.



NicRobertsonCNN People here listening attentively to what Obama sez so far, feel he is fence-sitting, maybe even siding w/Mubarak #egypt #jan25 #mubarak



The Dubai Financial Market shed over six percent of its value at the opening of trading week, with the DFM index dropping to 1,505.62 points



Clinton : "lets not focus only on today, the mubarak gov. was a long-term ally and helped keeping peace"



The U.S. Embassy has been closed indefinitely, according to embassy spokeswoman Elizabeth Coulton.



AP : El Baradei has "unanimous support" to take presidency and depose Mubarak



RT "@bencnn: Tracer fire over Maadi, looks like it's coming from area of Victory College. #Jan25 #Egypt"



Egyptian army deploying more troops, Armour into Sinai, Reports say Israel has approved the move



NowLeb: Egyptian troops fleeing into Gaza



Israeli stocks suffered their biggest one-day fall since November 2008 on Sunday



# Egyptian Foreign Ministry issues a statement: The current events show us who the true friends of Egypt are & who wishes Egypt ill.



Egyptian FM: We will re-assess our relations with countries after the protests end.



Arab reporter: UNCONFIRMED 2 Israeli planes arrive in Egypt with supplies for Egyptian police



Al Jazeera: Ahmad al-Raysuni of the Organization of Islamic Conference in Jeddah: "Mubarak has appointed a cabinet of war"

From the Mubarak officials, they say they will fight to the death to stay in power.


Clinton on Egypt: 'We're not advocating any specific outcome'

Yeah right. You keep funding and arming the regime.


LATEST: interior minister met with security officials and told them to redeploy everywhere except in Tahrir sq. & to avoid the protesters



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Muslim Brotherhood cleric says Egypt protest casualties are 'martyrs' (Ch. 10)

Hmmm yes. Even here, where we are not religious at all we would call them that.


Hmmm yes we would.



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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My internet was down for a while...


RT @telecomix: We have reports of human rights activists getting arrested at airports when trying to leave the country. Travel with caution! #egypt #jan25



Egyptian state TV just showed footage of Hosni Mubarak meeting with new Vice-President Omar Suleiman and the new Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq. The meeting was to "set the priorities of the new government", the broadcaster reported.



#Aljazeera: Arresting security officers on a plane with a lot of Money bills and one of them is killed by the PEOPLE : ) #JAN25 #Egypt



Protesters in the square : We are disappointed with El Baradei and despair for the future

That's sad.


Al Jazeera reports neighborhood militias with arm bands for identification are controlling some neighborhoods.



RT @beleidy Every police car on the street now is stolen, if the police comes back how do we know who's who?!! #Jan25 Egypt



Al Hewar TV: House belonging to in law of Mubarak has been looted in Minya.

+1


One of the sources said police would return to traffic, criminal and other work but would not be sent in to confront protesters



Govt turns off water in certain areas, fuel is low, availability of food is decreasing

Basically starving people.


45 private jets left egypt today with business-people,diplomats

Won't help the stock market.


Yemen evacuating its citizens from Egypt



RNN: Now: in response to news of redeployment of Police tomorrow, protestors say they will arrest any police officer they see.

Good luck!


Army tank joins in protesters' procession through Alexandria, Al-Jazeera TV reports. The commander of the tank insisted that the army had "no intention of stopping this march", the station says.

+1


"Tessa in the Red Sea resort of Hurghada writes to say that the protests are having an effect there: "Hurghada has almost run out of fuel because it all comes from Suez and Cairo. There are queues at the few garages that still have fuel. Many boats have already run out. Food supplies are running short. My business partner has been telling me that last night for the first time there were protests in Hurghada on the Red Sea. Looters attacked the major supermarkets but local people have stood guard to protect the shops."



in suez death toll may be 200+, that's a small town, everyone knows at least 1 martyr personally. #Jan25



Al-Jazeera : navy ships firing guns in salute for procession of the martyr #Jan25



BBC Arabic now: Gun fire battles near head quarters of the presidential guards Army units in Masr AlGadeeda (Heliopolis) area in Cairo.

Regular army VS presidential army! The revolt has begun!


Evacs will be first on commercial airlines, then charters, then US military. #Egypt



RT @3arabawy: State Security Police Stations in Daqahliya, Kafr El-Sheikh, Rafah, Damanhour, and in many other places have been torched down by protesters



The area surrounding Presidential Palace in Heliopolis is completely barricaded by Republic Guards & the army; tanks closing off roads



RT @ianinegypt: Tahrir Square has two types of army tanks, I believe they are M60 Pattons and M1A1 Abrams. #jan25 #egypt



@blakehounshell: Wow. Police out in force in eastern Libya



Dear US government: We don't hate you because we hate your freedom; we hate you because you hate our freedom. #jan25 #Mubarak #Obama #Egypt

Boom!


RT @BBCTimWillcox: Drive from airport to cairo taking hours. Army and vigilante roadblocks every 50 metres. Live gunfire in front of us (looters) #egypt less than 20 seconds ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®:



Syria Street completely closed off. Gunfire exchanged between unknown parties

In Cairo.


Gun fire in Tahrir Square... Army arrested some of them and are claiming they are from secret police



state of emergency in Libya. All public gatherings including sports events banned until further notice



Tense in Tahrir Square tonight. Random gunfire nearby; some people in the square are blaming the army for it, verbally confronting soldiers.



"BBCTimWillcox : Burnt out police vehicles on the streets. Molotov cocktails lined up by roadside. Volatile... but youths say they are sorry for chaos #egypt 3 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® "



10.26pm: According to Egyptian state television, President Hosni Mubarak has promised that his new government will preserve subsidies, control inflation and provide jobs. "I require you to bring back confidence in our economy," Mubarak wrote in a letter to his new prime minister. "I trust your ability to implement economic policies that accord the highest concern to people's suffering."

Sounds like Obama! Jobs jobs jobs.


RT @jgg_bw: food shortage, bread is being rationed - 1 pounds worth of bread per person #Egypt #Mubarak #Jan25



Hilary Clinton: ''I really consider President & Mrs Mubarak to be friends of my family'' #Egypt #jan25

No kidding. Your family are scum.

Iran to showcase new rockets, satellites: report

In December, Vahidi said Iran would launch a Fajr (Dawn) reconnaissance satellite in the next few months, along with a Rasad (Observation) 1 satellite that was initially to have been launched in August 2010.


Palestinian UN resolution aims to put heat on US

Palestinians are pressing the UN Security Council to pass a simmering resolution that they say attacks the "cancer" of Israel's occupied-territory settlements but which many diplomats see also targeting the United States.

+1

Raytheon nabs $145 million deal in Kuwait

Raytheon has won a $145 million contract to make Patriot missiles for Kuwait's air and missile defense systems.

More money for those warmongerers.

Syrian activists and opposition figures, including Michel Kilo and filmmaker Omar Amiralay, on Sunday hailed Tunisia's revolution and the uprising in Egypt as an example to all Arabs.

Chaos At Cairo Airport As Evacuations Begin



posted on Jan, 30 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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BIG NEWS :


"RT @embed21: Flow of ships in Suez Canal will be stopped due to strike of boat guides within the canal, hindering international commerce #Egypt #Jan25

Oh boy.


"CruiseLog Among major Nile #cruise operators tying up ships is Abercrombie & Kent. All #Egypt trips canceled thru Feb. 28



Asian markets dip on concerns about Egypt; Japan's Nikkei off 1.6%



Al-Jazeera reporting movement by the military during the night in #Cairo. It's about 4 am local time. #egypt 7 minutes ago via web"



Nissan says halting Egypt production for one week



France's Credit Agricole and Lafarge evacuate workers from #Egypt #Jan25 - AFP 4 minutes ago via Seesmic Desktop"



Yonhap: Samsung, LG & Hyundai Motor to immediately repatriate to S. Korea families of workers in #Egypt. about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

Everyone is getting the hell out.


Kyodo: #Japan gov't decides to use chartered aircraft to help rescue 1,600 of its nationals stranded in #Egypt. 43 minutes ago via TweetDeck



Bread lines in Cairo.

Starvation of the people has started.


Foreign journalists are being blamed for inciting violence.

What a surprise.


Egyptian state television shows hundreds arrested in anti-government demonstrations

To scare people of course.


Update :

AFP: Mubarak requests from new Prime Minister Ahmed Shafik to open dialogue with opposition parties

Might be opening up... or a ruse.
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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Fearing that he and his forces were being sidelined, al-Adly was rumored to have ordered the police forces to stay home and leave it to the army to deal with the crisis. Meanwhile, multiple STRATFOR sources reported that many of the plainclothes policemen were involved in a number of the jailbreaks, robberies of major banks, and the spread of attacks and break-ins into high-class neighborhoods that occurred Jan. 29. In addition to allowing the police to blow off steam, the implicit message that the Interior Ministry was sending to the army through these actions was that the cost of undermining the internal security forces was a complete breakdown of law and order in the country that would in turn break the regime.


So the people, for their trouble, now have state sponsored looting and violence, bread queues and an increasingly visible military presence.

Yes, Mubarak the great leader



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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RT @Jan25voices: Multiple confirmed reports from egyptians trying to withdraw funds from Egy Banks in Cairo: unable to get cash. #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt



Egyptian protestors camp out in central Cairo square (Reuters)



Syrian President Assad says he will initiate reforms in Wall Street Journal interview (Haaretz)



7:37am MP Ghazi Youssef to VDL (100.5): The decision is clear. The March 14 forces won’t participate in Miqati’s cabinet.


Israel urges world to curb criticism of Egypt's Mubarak

Jerusalem seeks to convince its allies that it is in the West's interest to maintain the stability of the Egyptian regime.

What a piece of garbage Netanyahu is! And then they wonder why people hate Israel's government!
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posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 02:52 AM
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from Al Jazeera - mega protest planned to be held on Tuesday involving 1 million people




... Egyptian protesters have called for a massive demonstration on Tuesday in a bid to force out president Hosni Mubarak from power. The so-called April 6 Movement said it plans to have more than a million people on the streets of the capital Cairo, as anti-government sentiment reaches a fever pitch. Several hundred demonstrators remained camped out in Tahrir square in central Cairo early on Monday morning, defying a curfew that has been extended by the army. "It seems as if they are saying: 'We are here to stay. We are re-invigorating our movement and we are not going anywhere'," one of Al Jazeera's correspondents in Cairo said. .....


Planned massive demonstration



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 04:25 AM
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Did he actually say such a thing?

Israeli officials are keeping a low profile on the events in Egypt, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu even ordering cabinet members to avoid commenting publicly on the issue.

Senior Israeli officials, however, said that on Saturday night the Foreign Ministry issued a directive to around a dozen key embassies in the United States, Canada, China, Russia and several European countries. The ambassadors were told to stress to their host countries the importance of Egypt's stability. In a special cable, they were told to get this word out as soon as possible.


Just a provocative headline..



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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Well yes he did.


Israel called on the United States and a number of European countries over the weekend to curb their criticism of President Hosni Mubarak to preserve stability in the region.

Jerusalem seeks to convince its allies that it is in the West's interest to maintain the stability of the Egyptian regime. The diplomatic measures came after statements in Western capitals implying that the United States and European Union supported Mubarak's ouster.

Basically calling on them to shut up about Mubarak brutality against it's people because it would endanger the stability of his regime. This means supporting his regime... because when you say nothing against the atrocities, and you see them, that means you approve of them.


The state-imposed curfew in Egypt is lifted. Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo reports the military is setting up roadblocks around the capital.



Crowd in Freedom Square is bigger than yesterday at the same hour



Assad Prepares for ‘Day of Rage’ in Syria



Egypt troops arrest 2 armed Palestinians in Sinai (AP)



Gulf stock markets lose $10b in single session on Egypt turmoil



Egypt protesters call for strike and “million man march”



Moody cuts rating of Egypt debt on political crisis



Amid food shortages, army distributing food

+1


@glcarlstrom: Banks closed too, more tanks on the street, police also being redeployed. Egyptian gov't trying to reassert itself.



Egypt Stock Market to remain closed for the "foreseeable future"



Egyptian banks in meetings to decide whether to fully close



Jordanian opposition doesn't want regime change



An officer on the street asking people to go back home, was stripped and left on the street in his underwears

Mwahahhahaha

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is convening an unprecedented mass meeting of U.S. ambassadors.

The top envoys from nearly all of America's 260 embassies, consulates and other posts in more than 180 countries will be gathering at the State Department beginning on Monday. Officials say it's the first such global conference.


That is insane. Something big is brewing.

TEL AVIV - "Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as 'the president who lost Iran'," Israeli analyst Aluf Benn wrote on Sunday. "Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who 'lost' Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt, and during whose tenure America's alliances in the Middle East crumbled."

And? Those dictators need to go. And Turkey isn't lost nor is Lebanon yet. Egypt not yet either.

Yemen on the brink

Apparently, the US is talking to the higher ups in Egypt and Mubarak is about to leave. But eh, I've heard those rumors almost everyday since it began.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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Not really, that's just an interpretation of the reporter, Israel didn't actually call anyone to curb their criticism of Mubarak, or to aid the atrocities, that's all an interpretation.. The only thing that happened is that the foreign affairs minister told ambassadors to stress the importance of stability in Egypt..
Mubarak falling doesn't necessarily mean Egypt would lose stability, at this point it would probably gain stability...

I'd say at this point Israel is only worried about the peace treaty and border security, Mubarak, or no Mubarak, and people are just looking for the chance to make Israel into a "Mubarak supporter" in light of these atrocities.



because when you say nothing against the atrocities, and you see them, that means you approve of them.


That's a load of simplistic bull.. Israel has the most to lose out of speaking up in this matter, even if it disapproves of Mubarak it can't speak up against him or it might lose the peace treaty if he stays in control.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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And? Those dictators need to go. And Turkey isn't lost nor is Lebanon yet. Egypt not yet either.

I think he's asserting that these nations, two of which used to be strongholds of secular democracies, are on the verge of converting to radical Islam.

I agree with you on the Egypt part, but I think what's happening in Turkey and Lebanon is a shame.. Imagine if the orthodox Jewish party took over the Israeli government.. What would your thoughts be on that?

But I'm not really sure I see what Obama had to do with Turkish and Lebanese politics.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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That's a load of simplistic bull.. Israel has the most to lose out of speaking up in this matter, even if it disapproves of Mubarak it can't speak up against him or it might lose the peace treaty if he stays in control.


Israel is MOST worried about the loss of a puppet in the country next to them. Since they've offered him somewhere to retire i should hardly think they have any grudges against him, for the last 30 years he's crushed his own people to support amongst other things, Israeli security.

I'm fascinated how this apparently worked for him. US provides "support" to Egypt, to the tune of $1.5 bill per annum, which is then SPENT in the USA on military. The $250 mill for the rest of society is a drop in the bucket comparitively.

Egypt's military is almost as big as Israel's, no wonder they're throwing a wobbly.

As to clinton's meeting, oh dear.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Bull-#.

He's crushed his own people to maintain his autocratic regime, and nothing else.

What has he ever done to help Israel that has harmed his own people? Maintaining border security with Gaza? How has that hurt the Egyptians?

Where do you get these notions?

Is there any reasons Israel should be in a conflict with Egypt after 30 years of peace? Aren't we all trying to promote peace? Or does peace not fit your narrative of Israel being the evil terrorist nation of the world?



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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I certainly would not like to see war anywhere, there's enough of that going around.

However, the USA and Israel are partners, and it's very clear that the USA supported Mubarak 100%, as with most other dictators around the world. The deal was along the lines of "you can have as much military as you want, IF you do not threaten Israel" which Mubarak has been faithful to all these years.

For that, the international community has turned a blind eye to many atrocities in the country, as they have helped the CIA with renditions and tortures and more.

I think Israel fits every definition of "terrorist" with their partners the USA. And of course, in conjection with every other tinpot dictator regime in the world.

Your assertion that it was a purely personal "regime" is naive in the extreme, nobody gets to keep a country to themselves UNLESS they play piper to the international tune. Take Saddam, he was great when he did as washington told him to. When he didn't, he was removed, simple as that. Mubarak got unlucky, he never "broke the rules" ... only his national obligations. Thats why Isreal welcomes him to retire in their wonderful country that he has helped protect over the years.

Please explain how this is no more than a "notion" ... or "bull" as you so nicely put it?



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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What has he ever done to help Israel that has harmed his own people? Maintaining border security with Gaza? How has that hurt the Egyptians?


Because most Egyptians are as moral as the next guy, and seeing their nation take part in maintaining what amounts to an open-air prison / free fire zone is offensive to them. Egyptians look at that border and say to themselves, "We're better people than this."


Where do you get these notions?


Basic understandings of human character.


Is there any reasons Israel should be in a conflict with Egypt after 30 years of peace?


Well, "reason" has never been particularly prominent in Israel's military adventures.

I figure the logic would go something like Israel figures it needs to strike now while Egypt is disorganized, to diminish Egypt's potential to do something in the future; that was the logic in '67, after all.

However, I personally think that, unless the United States declares itself against Egypt, or Egypt's military attacks first, Israel's not going to make any such attempt; too risky and costly. If Israel launched an attack, it would not have American support, would face stiff Egyptian resistance, and would certainly open itself to attack from the other Arab nations who are allied with Egypt. All in all it would be very stupid for Israel.

Which is a valid reason for worry, given Israel's proven history of doing ridiculously stupid things. Having the unquestioned backing of a superpower has that effect.


Aren't we all trying to promote peace? Or does peace not fit your narrative of Israel being the evil terrorist nation of the world?


Show me a nation that's trying to promote peace in the world, and I'll show you a nation engaging in bald-faced propaganda. Nations are forever in competition. Peace is just the lulls between conflicts.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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You're intentionally revolving this around Israel to make it sound dirty, when in fact it was on both sides' interest to end the war, and Egypt has gained much from cooperating with Israel. I could just as well say that the US sold Israel out for the sake of allying with Egypt, forcing it to give back land that was 3 times its size now.

You think America had nothing to gain from allying with Egypt? Weakening soviet hold of the middle east? Allying with a nation with influence in the Arab league?

I get what you're saying, and I agree to some extent, but you've got to be objective when presenting the facts- This does *not* revolve around Israel, it revolves around American-Egyptian interests.. Think, who gained the most out of this deal? Obviously both sides, but who has gained more (especially after the crippling defeat of the Egyptian forces in the Yum Kippur war)? They got the Sinai back (Suez canal), and aid from the U.S, and the U.S as an ally, and the Israeli army off their back... Oh yes, it was *all* about Israel.

And I will explain why the notion that he crushed his people for Israel is bull-

One- Egypt has been a suppressive autocratic nation long before it was an ally of the U.S.
Two- The main complaints against him are poverty, police brutality, and the state of emergency his country has been in since the Six Day War of 67'- All of which, also, precede Egypt's alliance with the U.S.

So how can any of this has anything to do with Israel or America? All of this have existed (were started) back when Egypt was an enemy of Israel and the states, so what basis does your claim have?

For *decades* the regime in Egypt has oppressed the people of Egypt for the sake of this autocracy. The only thing that changed along the way is that due to the peace treaty with Israel Egypt got a "reward" of 2.3 bil a year.

I find your whole world view to be extremely biased and lacking in historical knowledge.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Eliad
For *decades* the regime in Egypt has oppressed the people of Egypt for the sake of this autocracy. The only thing that changed along the way is that due to the peace treaty with Israel Egypt got a "reward" of 2.3 bil a year.


Niggling point; "Egypt" did not get that money. Mubarak and his cronies got that money.



posted on Jan, 31 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Once the foreign nationals are out, then the transition, or clampdown, will begin. People are being urged to leave prior to any "changes" due to the various scenarios that may undfold. Even a temporary dissident group could hold hostages for demands if the revolution turns south and there is a fragmented power base in Egypt. I would think that this is of utmost concern now for State Department types from other countries.....worst possible scenario. I belive this scenario is less likely in Eqypt now than it was in Iran 79'. If this wind continues to blow, then...

So perhaps a holding pattern until those who wish to leave may, and after that we shall see if Mubarak goes down in flames or their is a transition to some other party.

In the words of Jesus Jones, "the world is waking up to history"


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