Ron Paul is one of my heroes, a true American Patriot. Michael Moore is a hypocritical ignorant socialist, who thinks we should all be nannied by the government. I just want to point out that the man who is so critical, and outspoken against capitalism has profited 25 million dollars off of it.

People are just morons nowadays. They don't understand the difference betwee free market capitalism and state corporatism. If there was capitalism and less goverment corporations wouldn't have so much power. I mean what the hell do people think banks and financial institutions like JP Morgan and Lehman Brothers are? They are corporations and they are HUGE AND POWERFUL because of government not because they are left to their own devices and the free market. Look 2/3 of American car companies and the Lehman Bros and Goldman Sach's of the country would have gone out of business years ago if it wasn't for government bailouts and special government intervention. Microsoft NEVER would have become the monopoly it is without government support.

I think from Ron Paul's standpoint it's pretty easy to say, "we shouldn't have government run health care". He's a doctor, a senator, and has the best health care in the world.

I used to like Ron Paul but he has quickly become just another Republican head figure to support Elections 2010.

Also, he's anti-abortion (and willing to enact legislation banning it) which I totally disagree with.

Have to give Ron credit. He never gets tired of stating his position when it comes to foreign policy.

I have to say both make good points about health care, however I have to side with Michael a little Moore (pun intended) when it comes to health care only because I live in a country where I see it working everyday. Mind you it's not a perfect system but what system is? Surely not what the US has today, nor when it is finished being overhauled by Obama.

I had an opportunity to see another socialized health care system in action when my wife and I were on our honeymoon in Greece. Wow, now that was a slick experience. My wife badly sprained her ankle, we put off going thinking a similar trip in Canada would take 2 to 3 hours only to find out what we already knew. It got worse,swelled like a balloon, so we went. Drove to the front doors parked right there, (no tolls or parking fees or other delays) reception asked a couple questions, they felt x-ray just to be sure, wheel chair to the x-ray room then to a hanger like area that was separated off into examination areas by drapes, 5 minutes later Greek doctor enters, (wife is drooling apparently he was hot) said no break, wrapped it gave her a crutch and we were on our way. About 20 to 25 minutes in total.

I asked about payment or paper work, nothing not a thing. I asked how is this possible? He said that once you reach a certain salary level everyone makes a contribution to the health care industry and the more you make the more you contribute, he said it wasn't so much as to cause the wealthy to complain and below a certain level a contribution was not necessary.

Leave it to the Greeks to figure that one out. I have always thought the US could design their system based on all the best ideas from all the existing subsidized health care systems. Just a thought

The fastest most trouble free medical experience of our lives

sparrowstail You make it very easy to see you have no idea what your talking about.



[edit on 17-1-2010 by destroyhate]

Just like point out that this is not Ron paul vs. Michael Moore, as Michael Moore is not present to provide counterpoints.

sparrowstail,

first off i apologize for coming off snarky. Now it seems for some reason you think that if i was in an accident and needed medical care that i would be turned away at the hospital, but it isnt like that. I would get treated and billed.


I just dont like when people act like if we dont have alot of money over here that we are injured layin in the road.

Originally posted by illuminationproclomation
Michael Moore is not present to provide counterpoints.