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Ron Paul Vs. Michael Moore

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posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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One of the best interviews I've ever seen. Ron Paul, you're the true hero of America.





posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Ron Paul is one of my heroes, a true American Patriot. Michael Moore is a hypocritical ignorant socialist, who thinks we should all be nannied by the government. I just want to point out that the man who is so critical, and outspoken against capitalism has profited 25 million dollars off of it.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Watching the video, I do believe that Larry King might just be a complete idiot.
Did you see the way he was wanting to cut Ron Paul off anytime he deviated from M. Moore's message?
That wasn't Ron Paul vs. Micheal Moore. That was Ron Paul vs. Micheal Moore AND Larry King.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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People are just morons nowadays. They don't understand the difference betwee free market capitalism and state corporatism. If there was capitalism and less goverment corporations wouldn't have so much power. I mean what the hell do people think banks and financial institutions like JP Morgan and Lehman Brothers are? They are corporations and they are HUGE AND POWERFUL because of government not because they are left to their own devices and the free market. Look 2/3 of American car companies and the Lehman Bros and Goldman Sach's of the country would have gone out of business years ago if it wasn't for government bailouts and special government intervention. Microsoft NEVER would have become the monopoly it is without government support.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Larry King is a scum slum journalist. He's a peon. Look at his old ass. He makes his living from the status quo like most of Hollywood.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Thanks for posting your very interesting video, GorehoundLarry

I think Ron Paul is a very, very clever guy.

That juxtaposition between Ron Paul & Michael Moore is not something I'd seen before.

I am not a Michael Moore fan.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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I think from Ron Paul's standpoint it's pretty easy to say, "we shouldn't have government run health care". He's a doctor, a senator, and has the best health care in the world.

I used to like Ron Paul but he has quickly become just another Republican head figure to support Elections 2010.

Also, he's anti-abortion (and willing to enact legislation banning it) which I totally disagree with.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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what can you say after watching Ron Paul talk other than

I agree



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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Have to give Ron credit. He never gets tired of stating his position when it comes to foreign policy.

I have to say both make good points about health care, however I have to side with Michael a little Moore (pun intended) when it comes to health care only because I live in a country where I see it working everyday. Mind you it's not a perfect system but what system is? Surely not what the US has today, nor when it is finished being overhauled by Obama.

I had an opportunity to see another socialized health care system in action when my wife and I were on our honeymoon in Greece. Wow, now that was a slick experience. My wife badly sprained her ankle, we put off going thinking a similar trip in Canada would take 2 to 3 hours only to find out what we already knew. It got worse,swelled like a balloon, so we went. Drove to the front doors parked right there, (no tolls or parking fees or other delays) reception asked a couple questions, they felt x-ray just to be sure, wheel chair to the x-ray room then to a hanger like area that was separated off into examination areas by drapes, 5 minutes later Greek doctor enters, (wife is drooling apparently he was hot)
said no break, wrapped it gave her a crutch and we were on our way. About 20 to 25 minutes in total.

I asked about payment or paper work, nothing not a thing. I asked how is this possible? He said that once you reach a certain salary level everyone makes a contribution to the health care industry and the more you make the more you contribute, he said it wasn't so much as to cause the wealthy to complain and below a certain level a contribution was not necessary.

Leave it to the Greeks to figure that one out. I have always thought the US could design their system based on all the best ideas from all the existing subsidized health care systems. Just a thought

The fastest most trouble free medical experience of our lives



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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What foreigners like you FAIL miserably to understand is the USA is a country of over 300 MILLION people. We have as many illegals i.e. 20-30 million as Canada has people and many other European countries. Unless you start redistributing wealth by force WE CANNOT AFFORD socialized medicine. And the problem is corporations and healthcare companies which Ron Paul is advocating against. Get a clue!

And the US has THE BEST trauma healthcare in the world. But our chronic disease healthcare sucks. Greece has a tiny population so of course it works there.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Zosynspiracy]

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Zosynspiracy]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Your population should not matter if you have sound planning principals.
When has it ever mattered that you could or couldn't afford something. What's your running deficit total now??

Come on, How many pursuits is the US embroiled in, as we speak, that you can't afford? I might have bought that if I didn't just witness your gov. come up with bazillions to bail out your banks, and additional troops at a cost of what a month??? You just don't like the thought of ...... well, I don't want to say it you might cry.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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I used to like Ron Paul but he has quickly become just another Republican head figure to support Elections 2010.


Untrue. It is the Republicans who have become more like Ron Paul to save their own butts. Ron Paul was right about the bubble before it burst, and now people who were wrong are trying to hide behind RP's profile.

I do not like voting, government, or the initiation of violence as a philosophical foundation, but I find Ron Paul a clever, clever man. In the midst of hungry wolves stands a brave little man spouting many truths.



Also, he's anti-abortion (and willing to enact legislation banning it) which I totally disagree with.


I am against abortion but I would not enact legislation(violent control of other people). I disagree with RP on this one, but I still think he is the real deal as far as minarchists go.

Also, his is an OBGYN. He has forgotten more about the unborn children that most people will ever know collectively. He may feel an extraordinary bond with unborn human life that most people, including mothers, will never feel. He has brought thousands of lives into this world. I am sure he, as I, feels that the unborn have the same natural rights anyone else does and any action to abort the unborn is an act of unchecked aggression.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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You just don't get it do you? Name ONE other western European country in the world that has a porous border with tons of illegals swamping their country every year. WE HAVE AS MANY ILLEGALS IN THE USA AS CANADA HAS PEOPLE! Does that make sense to you? Not Canada, not Norway, not Sweden, Not France, Not Greece, not Italy NONE of those countries have anything in common with the US. Do I hear France or Greecen taking in 45K Haitians into their country? NOPE!

We also have millions of people who CAN afford health insurance but CHOOSE not to buy it. We also have the largest middle class in the world. Do you understand what it means to be middle class. That means you pay your taxes, have a good job, and usually have good medical coverage with your employer. If the USA wants to do something productive for it's populace BRING BACK INDUSTRY BRING BACK JOBS AND demand that US companies invest in their country, their citizens and their employees. The problem is that not only has the government sold out the US populace but corporate "America' has as well. And you know why? Because the US government is in bed with corporate America and vice versa.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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sparrowstail You make it very easy to see you have no idea what your talking about.



[edit on 17-1-2010 by destroyhate]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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I couldn't agree more with you about the corporate agendas. Do you have the stats to back up the so called burdens the illegals will or do put on your health care system?

I would wager a guess that the financial burdens associated with health conditions caused by obesity of the middle class would far outweigh
any burden the illegals raised on a low fat diet would pose. Besides who says that illegals deserve US funded health care? That sounds more like an immigration issue than a health care issue. If you were an illegal wouldn't you avoid registering at a hospital if it risked you getting caught and deported? I don't know. Any way all I am trying to say is that there must be an acceptable middle ground that allows you to maintain your American (pursuit of wealth and happiness) dignity without sacrificing financially distraught lives.
True, Canada is one tenth the pop. of the US and resembles more a US state than a country. Maybe your health care should be state run and funded. Put more power in local hands to solve there own health care issues and probably save a pile of money in the process.

Who said a compromise is when two parties leave the table unsatisfied? Or something like that.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Thank you, may I have another?

I do know I have peace of mind knowing that my wallet isn't checked before my pulse. And that it is possible to save lives before making dollars.

What are your thoughts on the subject? Or do you just make snide comments?

[edit on 17-1-2010 by sparrowstail]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:10 PM
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Just like point out that this is not Ron paul vs. Michael Moore, as Michael Moore is not present to provide counterpoints.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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sparrowstail,

first off i apologize for coming off snarky. Now it seems for some reason you think that if i was in an accident and needed medical care that i would be turned away at the hospital, but it isnt like that. I would get treated and billed.


I just dont like when people act like if we dont have alot of money over here that we are injured layin in the road.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:37 PM
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Hey no worries,

I know it's not that bad down there.
I guess I just keep thinking of the worst case scenarios of insurance companies with their rubber stamps saying denied, denied, denied. And those folks who have chronic conditions like leukemia or other ongoing terminal or expensive conditions to treat have a difficult time if their coverage runs out. Is this true? I am not going to presume I know what the health care or life is like there having only visited a few times. So I'll shut up now.

It is true that your majority (wasn't it?) voted president wants every American to have coverage despite their socio-economic class? I guess what this means or boils down to will have to wait until the dust settles.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by illuminationproclomation
Michael Moore is not present to provide counterpoints.







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