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The GOP Strategy is Brilliant and Simple

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posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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They spend years pushing the nation over the edge and into the abyss... Stand back and blame the new guy and the other party, move back in to take over again... Then continue with the same corporate agendas that have enriched GOP interests.

And of course, the democrats are working on a similar strategy with similar objectives.

Elections cycles provide an illusion of change for the people, and opportunity for hibernation between periods of majority power over government for the only two parties, which in reality, are simply two sides of the same coin.

Heads or Tails?

So, rather than taking the time to study and choose the best candidates to vote for in the upcoming elections, make things a bit more difficult for them... Just flip a coin!





posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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This has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. right next to electing a president because he is black.

How about you research the candidates and what they have voted for in the past and what they stand for and vote to your liking?

no that is not the "easy" way is it?



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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You have an approximate 50% chance of ending up with a republican or democrat in any election, so why not make it simple?

I think you missed the point.

The dumbest thing is to vote for either party... But we will, and we will be right back here bitching and moaning at the end of the next election cycle.

What is wrong with this country is the two party system and decades of corruption within those parties.

I submit to you that a vote for a candidate of either party will change nothing.

Unless you actually prefer the republican agenda over the democrats.

Either way, we are screwed.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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I agree with you that is what has occurred.

Bush/republicans destroyed the USA budget with massive defense spending and wars on two major (unwinnable) fronts.

Democrats come into office after the s hit the fan and it gives Rush Limbaugh fresh meat to put on the chopping block.

I have to disagree that it was planned or that the democrats are planning the same thing.

Ultimately whether it seems so or not they do want the best for our country.

(It's their country too)



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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My district in Florida is very Republican, these idiots have elected John Mica(R) since I think 1994. I wrote him before to talk about healthcare reform and he wrote me back to tell me I didn't know what I was talking about and how I was wrong and universal healthcare is wrong. He ticked me off and I don't know of any Democrat running.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
They spend years pushing the nation over the edge and into the abyss... Stand back and blame the new guy and the other party, move back in to take over again... Then continue with the same corporate agendas that have enriched GOP interests.

Elections cycles provide an illusion of change for the people, and opportunity for hibernation between periods of majority power over government for the only two parties, which in reality, are simply two sides of the same coin.


I know what you are saying Wwf,

But I think their 'illusion' is not working anymore....too many people are now aware of the scam...

P.S. Don't pay attention to joey, he still thinks the Republicans and Democrats and two separate entities...



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
move back in to take over again...


I doubt it, The Republican approval ratings are as low, if not lower than the Democrats. So maybe we will see more independents? Who knows, but something has to change. I certainly don't want to see the neo-cons in charge again, and people are coming to realize that there really isn't a difference in either of the parties.

Dismal approval ratings! Rise of the independents?



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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*Double post.

[edit on 1/17/2010 by Uniceft17]



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:10 PM
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Why do we continue to support this false left-right paradigm even here on ATS? I'm all for open mindedness but anyone who has any sort of common sense can see that this isn't a 2 party game. Democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives; these are meant to divide, and to conquer.

I'm not a huge fan of Jesse Ventura, but god damn it he had it right when he said this: "American Politics is just like pro wrestling, they put on a show and make it look like they hate each other, but when the cameras go off they pat each other on the back and go out for a beer together with smiles". I'm sure this isn't a direct quote, but that is the gist of it.

WAKE UP. This is the plan of the entire system, to divide people along emotional lines of two parties that work for the same entity in the end, and that entity, which is suppose to be the people, are corporations.

Stop using these American political labels, they don't exist! For them, it's like a game of king of the hill; the "Dems" and the "Repubs" fight each other on their little hill, they're the cool kids, the popular kids at recess. Everyone wants to be apart of them. But when a new kliq comes by and tries to join in the fun, whether it be an independent party, or the voice of the people, they show their true colors as they are one and the same; they push us back, push us down, make us eat dirt, make it so that we need to rely on them to do the job we want when they aren't going to do it.

They show these "divisive" issues like gay rights, abortion, drug laws, but the only things they get done is something both parties do in unison; the destruction of our constitution, the destruction of our rights, and the destruction of our economy.

WAKE UP. I shouldn't need to tell any of you this but apparently you guys can't get off these buzz word labels propagated by the mass media to create division.

The simple fact of the manner is that the entire system is broken and if you can't see it, you're blind. Maybe you aren't fully blind, maybe it's only "legally" blindness, but you're blind. You're farsighted, and shortsighted; the truth is in the center. And the center holds that the system is BROKEN.

Dissent is the only answer, protest and revolution are the only means. If you honestly believe that voting will help, that voting for a new party will help...you're hopeless. The system can, has, and will change itself to survive, like any organism. And the system will remain in power of the same entity, the corporations, behind it.

Political ideologies, NWO conspiracies, aliens and what have you, don't take these into the equation. The FIRST STEP, ANYONE of us need to take, whether you be an anarchist, a communist, a socialist, a true republican, a true liberal, a true democrat, a true conservative, whether you think there's an even larger agenda in play across the world or even beyond this world, it doesn't MATTER. If you want to find the truth, if you want to take the first step towards the right direction, ALL of us need to unite, the PEOPLE need to unite, and we need to take back what is rightfully ours.

Anyone who disagrees with this only harms us and you, yourself, are being harmed by this. WAKE UP.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC

Anyone who disagrees with this only harms us and you, yourself, are being harmed by this. WAKE UP.


That's the ruling opinion around these parts.

I thought what people object to is being told just that?

I'm sorry but the alternative has to show promise. So far the only alternative I see around here is to create a third party, that will become the only party by decree.

We don't need a revolution, some people need medical intervention, and a crash course in civics. History would also help.

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Jedi411
reply to post by Walkswithfish
 


I agree with you that is what has occurred.

Bush/republicans destroyed the USA budget with massive defense spending and wars on two major (unwinnable) fronts.

Democrats come into office after the s hit the fan and it gives Rush Limbaugh fresh meat to put on the chopping block.

I have to disagree that it was planned or that the democrats are planning the same thing.

Ultimately whether it seems so or not they do want the best for our country.

(It's their country too)


Your post is a breath of fresh air. I agree. Now watch how people react.

You would think people would consider frequency, and impact when they decide what they are for or against in terms of parties.

As I remember it, Democrats are more liberal, and less totalitarian, politicians are politicians. Reps like to posture, Democrats like diplomacy.

These are all generalities, but if you actually tallly it comes out about right.

The GOP strategy is to garner as many extreme ideologues to the "right" and then of course gain support from these groups in obstructing any Democrat initiative.

It's clear as bell. Here at ATS it's a complete success.
Fortunately, most people, are not ATS members.


Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Anyone who disagrees with this only harms us and you, yourself, are being harmed by this. WAKE UP.


That's the ruling opinion around these parts.

I thought what people object to is being told just that?

I'm sorry but the alternative has to show promise. So far the only alternative I see around here is to create a third party, that will become the only party by decree.

We don't need a revolution, some people need medical intervention, and a crash course in civics. History would also help.

Ziggy Strange


The only thing I tell people which is fact is that the system is broken. It's rusted. It's missing bolts. It's missing screws. It's missing belts and parts, and the only thing bringing a new party to power will do is what we do right now; we change the paint job of the machine from red to blue to blue to red every 4 to 8 years and at times in between, but the machine is still broken. And it can't be fixed anymore. It's too broken down, and bringing in a new party will only change the color again.

The constitution, for the most part, is fine. The Bill of Rights is fine. But that doesn't change the fact that this machine doesn't RUN on that operating system anymore. It works around it now, with corporate interests.

Explain to me, how will bringing about a new party avoid the inevitability of corporations running the show? Unless this party is being ran by the likes of Nader, it won't. It's a simple fact that politics for the most part are corrupt no matter what ideology you follow, and the only way to truly bring about a change is to destroy the system, destroy the corporation after, and start mostly anew.

It is YOU who needs a history lesson. Revolts in America have come and gone with little real change. Workers revolted before, and much of what they worked for has been overridden. Women revolted before, and still to this day they are payed less then men doing the same jobs. Blacks revolted before, and racism is still a integral aspect of our society and a majority are still stuck in poverty, with little to no capability of getting out of it.

Time and time again it has been shown that any step forward we make, makes LITTLE difference in the long run, and often times steps back have even been made. If you can't see this, go to your eye doctor and get a pair of glasses or contact lenses because you are BLIND.

The one thing all of us, the people, are connected by is our voice for our liberties and our beliefs, and this system has proven to ignore any and all voices in the long run. So why bring about a new party? Because the machine will work if we paint it yellow or orange or green instead of the red and blue we've been swapping in and out?

Stop dreaming, wake up.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Democracy is an illusion, a means of pacification for the people, a way to give them a false sense of choice and control. in every election partisan politics narrow it all down to only two viable choices for voters. The biased media, the Washington elite, special interests and major lobbyists control this "democracy". Your "choice" is always between two candidates of either party controlled and funded by the above. You are free to choose from the two they have put in those positions for candidacy. If you happen to be one of a very small minority that votes for an independent it makes no real difference.

Are liberals always liberal, are conservatives always conservative?

Has any democrat or republican you've ever voted for ever disappointed you, or left you feeling lied to?

Has an independent ever won a major election for a federal government position with more than 50% of the votes?

I still say, when you go to the polls, make it easy on yourself and simply flip a coin.

Put an R on one side and a D on the other for further simplification.




posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by SpectreDC
Originally posted by ziggystrange

Originally posted by SpectreDC

S - Anyone who disagrees with this only harms us and you, yourself, are being harmed by this. WAKE UP.

Z - That's the ruling opinion around these parts.

I thought what people object to is being told just that?

I'm sorry but the alternative has to show promise. So far the only alternative I see around here is to create a third party, that will become the only party by decree.

We don't need a revolution, some people need medical intervention, and a crash course in civics. History would also help.

Ziggy Strange


Z - You misunderstood my post, I think.

S - The only thing I tell people which is fact is that the system is broken. It's rusted. It's missing bolts. It's missing screws. It's missing belts and parts, and the only thing bringing a new party to power will do is what we do right now; we change the paint job of the machine from red to blue to blue to red every 4 to 8 years and at times in between, but the machine is still broken. And it can't be fixed anymore. It's too broken down, and bringing in a new party will only change the color again.

Z- I'm against adding another party completely.

S - The constitution, for the most part, is fine. The Bill of Rights is fine. But that doesn't change the fact that this machine doesn't RUN on that operating system anymore. It works around it now, with corporate interests.

Z - Os's run on machines, not the inverse. I would say the current version of the OS doesn't run well on this machine, but the hardware infrastructure demands serious critical thinking before we just go ahead and throw it out to be replaced by a fractionated distributed processing system with 50 machines all running different OS's, that will require more shims than Windows 7, and would never be compatible with the application. Too many programmers making undocumented changes. The result is spaghetti code, running on a virtual machine. What you profess would bring down the network.

S - Explain to me, how will bringing about a new party avoid the inevitability of corporations running the show? Unless this party is being ran by the likes of Nader, it won't. It's a simple fact that politics for the most part are corrupt no matter what ideology you follow, and the only way to truly bring about a change is to destroy the system, destroy the corporation after, and start mostly anew.

Z - Like I said, another party is not my solution. However the part about destroy the system etc.. I reject as a pipe dream, not thought true, and would accomplish nothing of what you seek. Like falling in love with a character in a movie, and expecting to seduce the actress. Even if you succeed, the person you seduced, has no relevance to the character you fell in love with.

B - It is YOU who needs a history lesson. Revolts in America have come and gone with little real change. Workers revolted before, and much of what they worked for has been overridden. Women revolted before, and still to this day they are payed less then men doing the same jobs. Blacks revolted before, and racism is still a integral aspect of our society and a majority are still stuck in poverty, with little to no capability of getting out of it.

Z - I disagree, what you propose is rooted in a myriad of failed social experiments throughout History. That our system has been perverted, can be blamed directly on bigotry, and worse, primarily perpetrated by Republican administrations, and voters that were gullible enough to believe the Republican party is out to protect your freedom, instead of their agenda to become wealthier at any cost.

B - Time and time again it has been shown that any step forward we make, makes LITTLE difference in the long run, and often times steps back have even been made. If you can't see this, go to your eye doctor and get a pair of glasses or contact lenses because you are BLIND.

Z - The price of self determination is having to suffer ill advised decisions. The remedy is change. Personal aspersion about my vision, are as nonsensical as the ideas you float.

B - The one thing all of us, the people, are connected by is our voice for our liberties and our beliefs, and this system has proven to ignore any and all voices in the long run.

Z - Yes, and no. We are connected by our voices etc, but most of the people that feel ignored, are those that are unhappy with the result of the last election, and the gullible mob of new so called patriots, they have managed to radicalize
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B - So why bring about a new party? Because the machine will work if we paint it yellow or orange or green instead of the red and blue we've been swapping in and out?

Z - No reason to do that at all. What is called for, is all the delusional talk of revolution by the misinformed minority to stop before people get hurt.

B - Stop dreaming, wake up.

Z - I appreciate your concern with my subconscious, but I think maybe it's yours that needs a reality check.

Ziggy Strange



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jedi411
reply to post by Walkswithfish
 


I have to disagree that it was planned or that the democrats are planning the same thing.

Ultimately whether it seems so or not they do want the best for our country.

(It's their country too)


ROFLMAO.
That has got to be the funniest damned joke I have heard in a long time.
The democrats want what is best for our country?
You really believe that?
=X



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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i couldn't agree more, he disguised his agenda and is working with the same people bush and everyone have been for years. elite is ruling us!!



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by sqeaks
i couldn't agree more, he disguised his agenda and is working with the same people bush and everyone have been for years. elite is ruling us!!


Thank you!

Every time one of the Obama bashers, uses a dried up talking point, you prove you're witless whiners.

Ziggy Strange




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