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Hopi prophecy solved.

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posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:04 PM

Originally posted by AnotherSon
Have you thought about the Norway and China blue spirals as being the Blue Star Katchina? They certainly danced in the sky.

what a super suggestion

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:29 PM
hopi prophecy solved? sounds like u just read it and made guesses as to what it means...havnt solved anything

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 03:53 PM
Dear: Writer

Though I find your hypothesis interesting to suggest a Super Solar Flare could somehow change the core magnetism of the earth; I would on the other hand have to say, “A Super Solar Flare’s magnetism after passing through the Van Allen Radiation Belt would not have the magnitude of electromagnetism to make the large transitional phase you speak of.” However if instead of deflecting the electromagnetic pulse wave from the Solar Flare it amplified it in some way say;( 10 to the minus 24 grams of energy) it could have the desired effect on the planets core.

I would suggest a more reasonable culprit would be a large known or yet unknown planetary perturber. Or the “Super Massive Black Hole” at the center of the Galaxy releasing mass quantities of gravitons in a single burst in our general direction. This of course could occur; were it to devour a large star or large planetary body.

Gravitons have the capability of passing through the Van Allen belt undeterred. These gravitons could in fact have the forward effect you speak of on the earth’s core.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Misoir
"The True White Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers, one of whom will have a sign of a swastika (a masculine symbol of purity), and the sign of the sun. The second great helper will have the sign of a Celtic cross with red lines (representing female life blood) between the arms of the cross."
The Swastika represents Germany obviously. The sun which holds the Swastika(Germany) would probably not be Japan which many would guess because Japan is not the sun but instead is the 'rising sun'. So any guesses on who the 'sun' whom holds the Swastika might be? Now when it comes to the Celtic Cross this is where I have to really think because the Celtics is UK and Ireland. Obviously the UK would never attack the US so what could the Celtic cross represent then?

The Swastika is an extremely ancient symbol that the Nazis hijacked, actually all of the symbols you mention here are ancient. These two helpers come to the Hopi, right? So it sounds most likely to me that these "true white brothers" would come from North America, probably not too far removed from the Hopi but obviously I could be mistaken.

This is interesting though considering people like Drunvalo Melchizedek, who is a white man who has traveled around the world and interacted heavily with Native Americans around the SW US and Mexico, including the Maya but I'm not sure about the Hopi. I have heard Drunvalo speak about the same comet exploding and becoming the largest object in the solar system and also appearing blue in the sky, being a sign to these peoples.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:36 PM

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
This kind of reminds me of the Red Sky prophecy told by Tom Brown Jr. (told to him by Stalking Wolf):

The Four Signs

I think you had meant to include Grandfather's 3rd and 4th visions in your post. His first two dealt with AIDS and ozone (holes in the sky). I put great faith in both Tom Brown jr's writings as well as Grandfathers, I hope you will read his words and examine them with an open heart and mind. Here's the last 2 prophecies from the same website;

The Third Sign

Grandfather spent the next four days at the cave entrance, though for those four days nothing spoke to him, not even the Earth. He said that it was a time of great sorrow, of aloneness, and a time to digest all that had taken place.

He knew that these things would not appear in his lifetime, but they had to be passed down to the people of the future with the same urgency and power with which they had been delivered to him. But he did not know how he would explain these unlikely events to anyone. Surely the elders and shamans of the tribes would understand, but not society, and certainly not anyone who was removed from the Earth and Spirit.

He sat for the full four days, unmoving, as if made of stone, and his heart felt heavy with the burden he now carried.

It was at the end of the fourth day that the third Vision came to him. As he gazed out onto the landscape towards the setting Sun, the sky suddenly turned to a liquid and then turned blood-red. As far as his eyes could see, the sky was solid red, with no variation in shadow, texture or light. The whole of Creation seemed to have grown still, as if awaiting some unseen command. Time, place and destiny seemed to be in limbo, stilled by the bleeding sky. He gazed for a long time at the sky, in a state of awe and terror, for the red colour of the sky was like nothing he had ever seen in any sunset or sunrise. The colour was that of man, not of Nature, and it had a vile stench and texture. It seemed to burn the Earth wherever it touched. As sunset drifted to night, the stars shone bright red, the colour never leaving the sky, and everywhere the cries of fear and pain were heard.

Again, the warrior spirit appeared to Grandfather, but this time as a voice from the sky. Like thunder, the voice shook the landscape. "This, then, is the third sign, the night of the bleeding stars. It will become known throughout the world, for the sky in all lands will be red with the blood of the sky, day and night. It is then, with this sign of the third probable future, that there is no longer hope. Life on the Earth as man has lived it will come to an end, and there can be no turning back, physically or spiritually. It is then, if things are not changed during the second sign, that man will surely know the destruction of the Earth is at hand. It is then that the children of the Earth must run to the wild places and hide. For when the sky bleeds fire, there will be no safety in the world of man."

Grandfather sat in shocked horror as the voice continued.

"From this time, when the stars bleed, to the fourth and final sign, will be four seasons of peace [that is, one year]. It is in these four seasons that the children of the Earth must live deep in the wild places and find a new home, close to the Earth and the Creator. It is only the children of the Earth that will survive, and they must live the philosophy of the Earth, never returning to the thinking of man. And survival will not be enough, for the children of the Earth must also live close to the Spirit. So tell them not to hesitate if and when this third sign becomes manifest in the stars, for there are but four seasons to escape."

Grandfather said that the voice and red sky lingered for a week, and then were gone as quickly as they were manifest.

The Fourth Sign

He did not remember how many days he'd spent at the mouth of the cave, nor did it make a difference, for he had received the Vision he had come for.

It was in his final night at the Eternal Cave that the fourth Vision came to Grandfather, this time carried by the voice of a young child.

The child said, "The fourth and final sign will appear through the next ten winters [that is, ten years] following the night that the stars will bleed. During this time, the Earth will heal itself and man will die. For those ten years, the children of the Earth must remain hidden in the wild places, make no permanent camps, and wander to avoid contact with the last remaining forces of man. They must remain hidden, like the ancient scouts, and fight the urge to go back to the destruction of man. Curiosity could kill many."

There was a long silence, until Grandfather spoke to the child spirit, asking, "And what will happen to the worlds of man?"

There was another period of silence until finally the child spoke again. "There will be a great famine throughout the world, like man cannot imagine. Waters will run vile, the poisons of man's sins running strong in the waters of the soils, lakes and rivers. Crops will fail, the animals of man will die, and disease will kill the masses. The grandchildren will feed upon the remains of the dead, and all about will be the cries of pain and anguish. Roving bands of men will hunt and kill other men for food, and water will always be scarce, getting scarcer with each passing year. The land, the water, the sky will all be poisoned, and man will live in the wrath of the Creator. Man will hide at first in the cities, but there he will die. A few will run to the wilderness, but the wilderness will destroy them, for they had long ago been given a choice. Man will be destroyed, his cities in ruin, and it is then that the grandchildren will pay for the sins of their grandfathers and grandmothers."

"Is there then no hope?" Grandfather asked.

The child spoke again. "There is only hope during the time of the first and second signs. Upon the third sign, the night of the bleeding, there is no longer hope, for only the children of the Earth will survive. Man will be given these warnings; if unheeded, there can be no hope, for only the children of the Earth will purge themselves of the cancers of mankind, of mankind's destructive thinking. It will be the children of the Earth who will bring a new hope to the new society, living closer to the Earth and Spirit."

Then all was silent, the landscape cleared and returned to normal, and Grandfather stepped from the Vision. Shaken, he said that he had wandered for the next season, trying to understand all that had been given to him, trying to understand why he had been chosen.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:58 PM

The Swastika represents Germany obviously.
reply to post by Misoir

Not obviously.

From the Wikipedia

Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period. It occurs mainly in the modern day culture of India, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol. It remains widely used in Eastern religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Symbols, like prophesies are endlessly mutable over time. How we interpret the Hopi today is different then it was in the past and it will be different tomorrow.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Helmkat]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:31 PM
the Celtic cross may not refer to a person it may refer to astrology. the hidden thirteenth sign occurs on December 21, 2012. It is the exact center of the galaxy it is illustrated as a cross inside a circle. not sure if that is what its referring to or not.

just putting it out there

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 06:54 PM
reply to post by Misoir

I highly doubt that the swastika has anything to do with Germany. The symbol was used in Asia hundreds of years before Germany even thought of it. Buddhism uses it as their symbol, much like the Cross in Christianity. So I would not connect it with Germany, but more then likely would connect it with the American Indians (used for hundreds of years) or Asia.

The dwelling place in the sky could very well be a Protoplanet, much like Venus was when it flew around the sky and terrorized earth many times before settling in its orbit. See Velikovsky's work. This is not a myth but Historical. The blue star could be a reoccurred of this as well. Im not saying Venus will go rogue agian, but I am saying that another protoplanet may very well come into play here.

Fascinating topic.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:09 PM
reply to post by Misoir

Hopi prophecy solved? There are only guesses and speculation here.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 07:41 PM

The Swastika represents Germany obviously.

The Swastika pre-dates Nazi usurpation of that symbol.
See also ... Wikipedia

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Misoir
I have been researching the Hopi prophecy quite closely for quite some time now and their last prophecy really got me to thinking.
"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease."
"Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of Life. There is no shelter for evil. When the Saquahuh (blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask, the time of the great trial will be here."
Could this 'blue star kachina' represent a super solar flare? If a super solar flare were to happen could it possibly appear as a blue mass of some sort in the sky, maybe it will appear like that only to scientists. Or it could be after the super solar flare that the aurora borealis stretches into the four corners which would represent the 'dancing' in the sky because aurora borealis can be blue as well. And my 2nd guess would be that when a solar flare strikes that it knocks our space station out of orbit and it comes crashing down at such a quick speed that the fire behind it turn blue?
"Turtle Island could turn over two or three times and the oceans could join hands and meet the sky."
If you read the article you will see that Turtle Island is North America and like they have suggested this sounds like a pole shift. My question to you all is, could a super solar flare some how manage to cause a pole shift?
"The True White Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers, one of whom will have a sign of a swastika (a masculine symbol of purity), and the sign of the sun. The second great helper will have the sign of a Celtic cross with red lines (representing female life blood) between the arms of the cross."
The Swastika represents Germany obviously. The sun which holds the Swastika(Germany) would probably not be Japan which many would guess because Japan is not the sun but instead is the 'rising sun'. So any guesses on who the 'sun' whom holds the Swastika might be? Now when it comes to the Celtic Cross this is where I have to really think because the Celtics is UK and Ireland. Obviously the UK would never attack the US so what could the Celtic cross represent then?

I love the Hopi spiritualism, they are a great people and I have deep respect for them. I could only hope that if their last predictions come to pass like the last 8 did that I, my family, and all other good people will survive to see the world after.

Here are some websites on solar super storms. And at the bottom the links are links to the Hopi Prophecy.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Misoir]

The dancing in the sky being the aroura sounds very possible, and the earth turning over in a pole shift, also possible. I think the flare coming is also very very possible, and it is all linked, actually, with the mayan prophecy, and let us not forget, they too are native north americans, who predicted the 2012 encounter with the event horizon of our galaxy's black hole center. As we enter this area, it will be full of rocks, debris, and not only will they hit us, but also the sun. Now when comets and asteroids hit the sun, and they do frequently, they can cause solar flares. Now what will happen when they hit the sun en masse? That's right, a massive solar flare.

The rocks between us and the sun will shield us to some extent, but it will still hit us enough, I think, to cause a mass killing of life on the earth. This event horizon, also is supposed to re-align our planet and change where it rotates, to match up with the galaxy again. Thus, the earth will tilt and turn in a new direction. Many think this is coming from the south, the bible, in Isaiah, says that a fiery flying serpent and two lions, one old and one young will come from the south. It doesn't explain why it even mentions those things. Yet if one remembers, native Americans have carvings of a feathered flying serpent on their walls associated with doom. What if those feathers represent not only flying, but fire? Perhaps this 2012 prophecy is retold, generation to generation to the Hopi, who have, now, a slightly worded version of the same prophecy, without the calendar date?

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 08:55 PM

By the way, the swastica could represent the milky way galaxy, we know now that it has four main arms not 8.

The two lions from the south, one young, one old, could be a comet that breaks up and hits Africa. Why africa? Because in Revelation, it says one burning red star will hit the water, and one shining star will hit land and poison the rivers. Isaiah has scriptures saying that a land below Ethiopia had suddenly had their rivers poisoned by something. Isaiah also says a bright star will fall out of heaven, what if that star or last piece of the broken comet suddenly shines blue?

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Nyhee]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:30 PM
reply to post by Misoir

Great post...I love seeing this kind of stuff here on ATS.

As far as a massive solar flare causing a pole shift, yes. Lots of supporting evidence for this, I won't go into it here, but yes.

As far as the blue star, I've heard of this prophecy before, and I hadn't thought of it lately until I saw this post....but couldn't the spiral in Norway (which had a blue center) be something so strange, it could be considered a "blue kachina dancing in the sky?"

I mean, the aurora borealis is there every day (although yes, during a solar flare, it would probably be HUGE compared to normal), but you don't see those spirals in the sky every day! That was a very unique phenomenon.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:33 PM
You really need to read a book I've just finished by Drunvalo Melchizedek, titled "Serpent of Light - Beyond 2012" (The Movement of the Earth's Kundalini and the Rise of the Female Light, 1949-2013).

I think you will all really see what's happening here, especially as he both knows intimately, and fully decodes, the Hopi prophesy, in detail. I really suggest you read it, and free yourself from the fear before it's too late.

Has anyone even seen "The Secret". Everything the Governments are doing, the films, the internet fear-porn, the blagg bloggs and pre-meditated news articles. All of the fear-mongering is making this happen. Collectively, as a species, we should be gathering together and healing the planet, using our powers which we do in fact have inherently, not destroying it.

Please please please read the book, you will understand. You are, each and every one of you, a human being upon this earth with God-like powers. Within your mind lies the power to turn the situation around. Believe and wish and hope, and it will be so. Free will, it's a bitch, don't be corrupted and led. Be a believer and a being of the light, and we will defeat this enemy of our earth, and our race. We are just moments away from a "type 1 civilisation", full unabridged uncensored contact with beings from another star-system that are ready and willing to show us the way, they just want to see us make this final and ultra-important step in delivering ourselves from the evil that has surfaced on us, don't throw it away. The entire universe is watching.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:34 PM
reply to post by Acidtastic

you are correct. the Hopi and the Mayans both agreed several years ago that the Blue Star Prophecy was fulfilled by "Comet Holmes".

the 2015 year also ties in with the Mayan "End of times" as well. they have a window up until 2015 in which Humanity will enter a whole new age.

There is nothing negative or destructive about it though. It's all happiness in our new time!

[edit on 17-1-2010 by grantbeed]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:34 PM
double post. woops.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by grantbeed]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:39 PM
reply to post by NibiruWarrior

Actually, I would advise on reading his other books first. The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life - Volumes 1 and 2.

They are a much better starting point IMHO. They tell his story from the very start.

The Serpent of Light is a great follow on from this mind you, but not everyones cup of tea.

Drunvalo often meets the Mayan and Hopi elders and it was indeed him who I first heard talk of the "Comet Holmes" being the Blue Star Prophecy.


posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:41 PM
I have seen with my own eyes near the Hopi Nation the name Ra carved

perfectly into different large rock slabs. I believe the Hopi will never tell

outsiders the whole story of what is to happen in the near future only to the

inner circle of the Tribe.

If all of us on this thread knew what was going to really happen from now until

2015 and it was going to affect every living thing on this Earth in a Bad way

what would you do and where would you go if you knew the exact time of the

happening? ^Y^

[edit on 17-1-2010 by amari]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:52 PM
reply to post by Misoir

Unfortunately you did not solve anything, however luckily for us, Dr. Paul LaViolette did in 1983.

LaViolette’s book “Earth Under Fire” and subsequent DVD provide scientific evidence that the earth has been devastated in the past by a Galactic Super Wave.

Basically, the centre of the galaxy explodes once every few hundred thousand years and sends an intense wave toward our solar system. The explosion appears as a blue star, exactly how the Hopi (and other ancient cultures) describe it. The superwave causes major catastrophes every time it happens.

For anyone seriously interested in the Blue Star prophecy and the scientific analysis that backs it up then grab a copy of Earth Under Fire DVD.

BTW, I will be conducting a 3 hour presentation that will include the above information as well as many other topics that tie in with it in Brisbane, QLD, Australia in the 2nd week of February.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 09:55 PM
reply to post by Misoir

Pardon me, but how does a blue star moving across the sky, which to me sounds like airplanes, compute to solar flares?

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