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German government warns against using MS Explorer

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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:11 PM
I've always had a feeling about internet explorer, I haven't even used it in since my computer got more virus' then a Thai ladyboy.

posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:30 PM

Originally posted by C0bzz
compare installing Nvidia drivers on a Windows 7 PC compared to Linux, plox!

What's wrong with nVIDIA ???

I am right now in Linux Ubuntu, answering here using Firefox, using
a Linux-nVIDIA "driver" through a nVIDIA video card !

I did get a driver update, EXACTLY the same we do in Micro$crap's Win$loz ! ! !

Blue skies.

posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:03 PM

Originally posted by C-JEAN

Originally posted by C0bzz
compare installing Nvidia drivers on a Windows 7 PC compared to Linux, plox!

What's wrong with nVIDIA ???

I am right now in Linux Ubuntu, answering here using Firefox, using
a Linux-nVIDIA "driver" through a nVIDIA video card !

I did get a driver update, EXACTLY the same we do in Micro$crap's Win$loz ! ! !

Blue skies.

I found installing linux drivers was very complex and time consuming. It involves a series of restarts, lots of commands in terminal as root, and required many additional downloads such as software libraries. Maybe I was doing something wrong, but a quick search revealed that this install method existing in 2004 (or even earlier) and has not changed since! On Windows 7, however, the prompts automatically appear when you first run the system. Or you just go into control panel, click Windows Update, click check for updates, click install updates, and then reboot. I don't understand why people say Windows 7 is not user-friendly and then turn around and tell me to use Linux. Yeah, I tried that. And it was a waste of my time. Then there's Mac... and well... a mac is a mac.

[edit on 17/1/2010 by C0bzz]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 12:03 AM
No lie, my cable guy told me something similar. Even said that it's the easieset link for the gov't to spy on ya. Now I wonder if my cable guy was German....

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 12:08 AM
reply to post by C0bzz

Explanation: RE "Since neither Linux or Windows XP have UAC, I am not sure where your complaint lies."

Since neither this thread or the one I link to are about Linux or WinXP, my complaint therefor lies with Win7 and as regards specifically as to this thread, its IE8 [Note both are MicroSoft [MS] products]!

Now as RE: "Could you also highlight bad buildings bad architects,"

I could throw you a raft of real bad buildings and their architects and I just have to point out the recent case of Haiti to show that 1] building on Alluvial soil over a major transverse fault line was a very bad lack of oversight! 2] Having built on earthquake prone geology they DIDN'T earthquake proof the buildings they did build!

Look!, even modern China with its highly regulated society and HARSH reprisals for "Screwing THE Peoples Republic STATE of China" had to ask questions about its building codes and the CORRUPTION involved, after its tragic earthquake early last year!

Now let uslook at a Idolized building that is actually #snip [expletive deleted by author] and is still standing! I'll start with my own backyard here and so here is The Sydney Opera House. [wiki]

You will PLEASE Note that the building was SUPPOSED to be an ACOUSTIC Masterpiece! Its NOT! Here from the wiki souce is just SOME of the reasons WHY!....

"Utzon's plywood corridor designs, and his acoustic and seating designs for the interior of both major halls, were scrapped completely. His design for the Concert Hall was rejected as it only seated 2000, which was considered insufficient.[14] Utzon employed the acoustic consultant Lothar Cremer, and his designs for the major halls were later modelled and found to be very good.[citation needed] The subsequent Todd, Hall and Littlemore versions of both major halls have some problems with acoustics, particularly for the performing musicians. The orchestra pit in the Opera Theatre is cramped and dangerous to musicians' hearing.[20] The Concert Hall has a very high roof, leading to a lack of early reflections onstage—perspex rings (the "acoustic clouds") hanging over the stage were added shortly before opening in an (unsuccessful) attempt to address this problem.[citation needed]"

Please IGNORE anything that IS NOT CITED OK!

So the Lothar Cremer, acoustics designs that were modelled as good are out and so are high roof reflections, BUT citation No#20 is IN and that clearly shows BAD ACOUSTIC DESIGN! This is the Architects FAULT! Accurate Oversight IS IMPORTANT and Utzon lost his Oversight when he resigned!

I have a raft of links lined up to back this up but I'll move on to more computer related examples so as to not derail this thread.

Starting with Software, Win7 had months and months of testing in the Wild[erness sanctuary] and the UAC problem didn't manifest until after its RELEASE!

Was this because the testers were sanction by M$?

Its about the $'s remember and even FREE bad advertising IS FREE ADVERTISING and makes somebody [i.e. M$ and/or the M$M etc.] somewhere some $$$'s.

Then there was the Win7 "Black Screen of DEATH!" farce!

And now a security debarcle with IE8!

And shall we take a look at the hardware issues that have PLAGUED us since FOREVER? I'll just use the faulty "bulging" [tech jargon] capacitors on motherboards etc. that were the bane of users world wide.

Don't get me started on Firmware as you'll never hear the freaking end of it!

Personal Disclosure: WTF?
Your post HERE makes EXACTLY the point I am making! Which is THEY DIDNT DO IT RIGHT IN THE 1st PLACE! :shk:

Who is this THEY? THEY, are those who you pay your $'s TO FIX the #snip made by the EXACT SAME CORRUPT
's FFS!

P.S. Oh thats right...its not your $'s ...those $'s belong to the defacto NWO state just like we all do!

Edited emoticon fail due to oh thats right...lack of oversight!

[edit on 17-1-2010 by OmegaLogos]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:07 AM
Just to clear a few things up for the non tech-savvy people who are reading this thread....

Linux is an operating system just as is Microsoft's Windows.

Both have their faults. Different faults but faults non-the-less. Never assume that Linux is better than Windows just because so many people say it is. I use Linux, I'm middle level with it i.e I know a little of what I'm talking about. I used to use Windows, I supported Windows users and diagnosed hardware and software faults within the Windows OS; I know what I'm talking about where Windows is concerned.

Windows is prone to the nasty little tricks malicious hackers (not all are bad) and malicious script writers use to cause many Windows users sleepless nights and wowful days. Linux is less prone to those attacks due to its inbuilt security features. Generally, with a Linux system no one can create a system wide change without permission from an administrator (i.e you the user). Linux is only as secure as the user's sense of security.

Linux updates most of the software installed on it automatically. For Linux, software is stored within non-local software libraries (repositories) that are easily accessed from an index (Package Manager) stored locally on a Linux machine. With Windows a user must track down the software he wishes to install on it and the user must periodically check with the software vendor for updates. That is to say, the security strength enjoyed by Linux users is partially due to the ease and frequency with which software is updated and also because software stored in repositories (libraries) are checked for vulnerabilities and viruses etc...

In general, Linux is a good and secure operating system....provided the user is security minded. Saying that, Linux will always be more secure than Windows due to the way Windows is designed. Unless you use Linux or a Mac OS you will not know this but Microsoft is gradually converting to a commercial Linux product - one that is based on Windows but which borrows heavily from the Linux, BeOS, Unix and Mac branches of operating systems. In other words, MS are ripping off the open software initiative's programs and ideas. That's nothing new and certainly not unacknowledged by their respective communities.

As for ease of use, Linux is very easy to use and has come on a long way over the last few years: it is becoming more user friendly all the time. As with anything, the use of something new requires that something new is learned. That leaning curve is not too steep and generally involves learning where files are stored (navigation of the file system) and how to install software.

If you've never tried Linux then you can at least try a Live Disk. Live Disk is the name given to any OS that will run from a DVD without installation onto a computer. I recommend LinuxMint because it works out-of-the-box with respect to the awkward device drivers and multimedia playback. Linux will work on old and new computers - it's an equal ops program. You will also notice it is less formal than Windows (the error messages can be witty and sarcastic, it's quite good fun).

I'll repeat again what I wrote earlier: Windows and Linux both have their own unique problems. Never be fooled into thinking that Linux is an ideal OS anymore than is Windows.

Good luck and happy, safe browsing with Firefox or Opera.


Look here for further info about Linux to get fare idea of its usability:


[edit on 17/1/10 by Rapacity]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 08:34 AM
I work as a senior developer in a medium-sized Microsoft gold partner company and we recommend everyone not to use IE.

I'm not sure why it still has blatant security holes but huge popularity and closed-source code are biggest contributors IMO. Mozilla code is looked at by many people, including security experts who report bugs rather than exploit them due to sympathy with open source community.

Microsoft probably cannot employ people who work for extremely sensitive business/security related software companies just to patch up their cute little browser. Those people, do whoever fix open source software for free, probably even in their overpaid work hours

Lately though, Microsoft tends to pay more freelancers for their knowledge and expertise which greatly contributed to security and usability of Windows XP.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 08:46 AM
reply to post by Extralien

I don't know about others. But my family and I are using firefox, opera and flock as browser. IE simply ridiculous.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 10:16 AM
Linux 4 life!~ It's all you need... for beginners try Ubuntu!~

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 10:32 AM
reply to post by djcubed

What everyone needs is to learn how to work with their tools, if people would invest as much time in learning how to use Windows as they do when they change to Linux they wouldn't had the problems they had before.

I have been using Internet Explorer since it appeared, and I have never had any security problem with it.

If it's an exploit problem (as this case apparently was), we can find those in many programs, not only Internet Explorer.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 11:07 AM
Google Chrome is much faster on linux than FF... In my experience anyway. I was having horrible issues with FF and flash. It seemed any site with more than one flash embed would hang the whole system... All cleared up when I installed chrome...
Been using linux now for a couple years and were it not for having a blackberry, my computer would not be dual boot with Win7.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:03 PM
reply to post by Rapacity

reply to post by SassyCat

Nice additional info to the thread. Thanks. I just want to ad that Linux gives you control to make your system as secure as you want, whereas windows, takes the control from you (presumably because it treats you like an imbecile) but fails to provide an adequate security instead. This reminds me a socialist regime, where government wants people to depend on it for security, and penalizes independence, but fails to provide this security itself.

Therefore it's best to let people take care of themselves, by providing them with freedom to control their own lives. Linux meets this requirement well. This approach requires people to get off their arses and start doing stuff, learning, growing – why is that bad?

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:22 PM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I personally do not approve of the way the GOOD German people are allowing themselves to be governed in this fashion.

I said what I said to expose the rediculousness of that by displaying how almost anything including a web browser could be used in an interchangable way for similiar political control purposes.

What ever debt Germany and Germans owe to the world I am certain they have paid it many times over long ago.

Free yourself from politically correct tyranny!

On Topic: I use Internet Explorer because I love living on the edge!

Actually have to agree with you here Herr Protomeister. Germany and the German people have been convenient whipping boys for too long.

Britain decided a century ago that Germany was too much of a threat to their hegemony and we saw the First World War as a response to he compulsion to reduce the country to a second tier power. It took longe than expected but it's sticking now.

Too bad because Germans are in many ways the most capable people around. The US has benefited enormously from German immigration, and in fact people of German extraction are or were once the second largest group in the US after British. Whole states like Pennsylvania have a foundation of 19th Century German immigrants.

I won't get into browser tech here, but there is a way to nake IE a lot safer. It requires a simple download and install of the free Spywareblaster which prevents malware, viruses, worms, etc from even entering one's computer. Updated every few days it's prevention that locks out the bad stuff rather than the usual anti-virus and firewalls whih slow down browsing.

But frankly IE has lost it's speed edge and Firefox or Google Chrome really are much better.

I'm told by friends in the Fifth Reich, aka the EU, that there is a move to make rebellious upstart Mac the dominant OS as an act of rebellion against Gates and Micro$oft which is considered just more American technological imperialism.

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:43 PM
reply to post by mushibrain

The problem is that most people do not know how to do things to keep their computers safe (and don't care), so the best approach would be one in which things look simple and safe.

The problem is that most people do things their own way, so each person may use any program in a way that was not expected by the developers (any developer will confirm that, the user is a very creative creature
), so things can easily go wrong when any system is used by millions of users.

When Microsoft makes things more secure they get complaints saying that Windows is becoming harder to use (that happened with Vista) or from anti-virus makers, for example, that wanted (and got it) direct access to the system in Windows Vista.

From what I have read, the case that sparked this situation (does anyone remember the topic?
), that flaw in Internet Explorer does not affect the computer as much (or it doesn't affect it at all) if the computer is using Windows Vista or Windows 7.

PS: do you know that you can use your own GUI instead of Windows Explorer (at least in the Business and Ultimate versions of Vista) and that you can do that since Windows 2000?

[edit on 17/1/2010 by ArMaP]

posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by GEORGETHEGREEK
After reading this post i will review my initial thought that mozilla crashing on two independant machines on the same day was a coincidence....

It has never ever happened to any pc of mine and mozilla always worked wonders in prerfect tune.

Two machines at different locations same day with varying antiviruses?

No coincidence after all...

Funny thing is that i indeed had a short revert to IE

It must have been the same day that all 3 of my computers went haywire when using firefox.

Needless to say, I use IE now.

[edit on 17-1-2010 by Nutter]

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