Something about Haiti that you need to know about

Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by pteridine

 

Like i said, slavery was a different system to the Africans. Do you know why the Europeans choose Africans?

*sigh*

Why did the Europeans choose Africans?

Because they were available for sale, relatively cheap. They were sold by their fellow Africans to the slavers for labor in the Americas.

This is all about greed and profit and nothing else. There was no great plot against the Africans in particular; it was all about money. The African slave catchers made money, the slave dealers and middlemen made money, the slave ship captains made money, and the plantation owners made money. So did all the Governments who taxed the profits of the slave holders.
After slavery was abolished in the USA, the tycoons resorted to indentured servitude. An immigrant would have his or her passage paid to the US for a term of servitude at a location determined by the boss. This was happening at least into the 1910 - 1912 time frame and was apparently more acceptable than physical bondage for life.

reply to post by pteridine


too ture - the " extraction " of slaves from ierland is an oft ignored chapter in this barbaous practice

reply to post by Psychoses

The reason Haiti is poor is simple. It is the victim of Corporate greed! Western companies outsource the work (reason US is lacking in jobs these days) and pay the people absolutely nothing to increase their PROFIT MARGINS!

So Haiti is poor because someone pays them to do a job?

Hmm, i think im missing something here.

SO, what you're saying is that if those same companies were to yank their operations and send them to, lets say, China....that Haiti would suddenly flourish?



I think im as confused about this as you are.

Originally posted by colloredbrothers
Whites have always been the more brutal and intellectual race. We are beasts with intellect.

I see. People with Red, Black, and Yellow skin have never been know to enslave people, commit genocide, or other atrocities to man kind?

People the likes of Hitler do prove your point. But your statement is only true if you neglect:

Mao Zedong
Henry Louis Wallace
Osama Bin Laden
And countless Indian (Native American) attacks

I'm not saying white people aren't equally as bad, because they are.

What i am saying is that having white skin does not inherit you evil tendencies.

Thats just like saying that having black skin makes you more prone to breaking and entering.

I don't know why people even care about Haiti. Their history is filled with slavery and vodoo. Not exactly the most upstanding country...

Child domestic workers are perhaps amongst the most exploited sectors in Haiti. A child who stays with and works for another family is called a "restavec" (rester avec), in Creole. According to the Restavec Children Foundation, these children are often given away or sold by poor families in order to survive. Frequently the children's most basic rights to health and education are denied. They are not paid for their work and often abused. For instance, the restavecs have to return to their duties in the house, after having escorted the house owner's children to school. The restavec boys and the girls often flee at the age of 12-13, joining one of the many street gangs or ending up as prostitutes.

gvnet.com...

maybe they did deserve it

reply to post by SassyCat


I starred you, I relooked it up and that figure is 100 million from what i'm reading this morning. I did read 100 billion last night, but I stand corrected. It had nothing to do with my nationalism, it had everything to do with either a) someone misreporting the figure or b) my old eyes misreading. Don't take it as my patriotism making me blind, because if that was so I wouldn't be here admitting my mistake.

reply to post by Psychoses


disney paying haitians .23 an hour? seems like more a government problem than anything. There is nothing stopping the haitian government from creating laws to raise the wages paid by these out of country companies to something closer to their american counterparts.

If the citizen of a country cannot make a wage high enough to afford their basic cost of living then why do they perform these jobs for so little? because they are content to NOT do anything about it. I'll tell you what, if that were the case here in america, the citizens would revolt, and overthrow their government and make the changes necessary to survive in a manner more comfortable. The American revolution is a perfect example. revolting for unfair taxation against the English. Yet Haiti didn't revolt against the french and win their independance, they bought it, and from what other members have reported are still working to pay it off.

Lets say haiti decided, hey french! we are done paying you...would the french go to war with them? absolutely not. In a heartbeat they'd have every allied nation painting them as the oppressors. They wouldn't be able to do very much. So, now haiti has what? 80% of their GDP back in the hands of the haitians? That money they can use to industrialize a gold or copper mining operation and bring them into the 21st century.

flame away.

I have to make one more statement. I believe the reasons these companies are allowed in these third world countries to open these sweatshops is good old fashioned greed an politics. The companies have to be paying the politicians some money to fleece them and allow it to happen. Which is why a clear and defined separation of corporatism and politics is the only way a country can be run without taking advantage of it's people. It's why the lobbying in washington needs to be stopped. I believe most politicians start their careers with very good intentions, yet get sidetracked by the monies offered by these corporations, which allows them to turn a blind eye to the people they are supposed to represent. It's evil and needs to be stopped. We see the effects of it in nearly every country on earth. Some worse than others (like the countries where they know there is no history of the people uniting and standing up for themselves).

Originally posted by die_another_day
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

Today's slavery is in the form of economic slavery.

Debt = slavery, it happens on the individual level all the way up to the international level.

That gets a star

I have always maintained that actually slavery by race was replaced by wage slavery for all of us after the civil war... instead of slavery most of us have this modern rendition of the feudal system at work in our lives, centered around the city not a castle but for all intents and purposes the same thing.

reply to post by pteridine

Because they were available for sale, relatively cheap. They were sold by their fellow Africans to the slavers for labor in the Americas.

There are more reasons to it. If they wanted cheap labor, they would have just used the native americans, which they did for a short time. Or they would have used European indentured servants, which they did.

African slaves where chosen for a reason, i leave you to find out.

reply to post by eightonefive

I have to make one more statement. I believe the reasons these companies are allowed in these third world countries to open these sweatshops is good old fashioned greed an politics. The companies have to be paying the politicians some money to fleece them and allow it to happen

I also think the same thing, exact same thing. Our Congressmen already know what's going on abroad...the problem is is that they are paid to look the other way.

reply to post by mopusvindictus

Japan and Germany... Two cultures, very polite, traditional, quiet, not In Your Face, not prone to fighting in person or getting argumentative or down right violent inter personally under stress..

LOL, That's a lie and the fact that your using this to prove your point shows that you have no point, period.

Here is an interesting JSTOR link. Yea it's old but i thought it's pertinent to this conversation. Black Africans Now the Most Highly Educated Group in British Society. Now i'm waiting for the haters

Why don't you read some Japanese history about what THEY did to the chinese and korea during WW2 much less the Germans, and i also want you to read about how the samuri's of old tested the strength of their blade. Quite gruesome.

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reply to post by cenpuppie

I leave you to explain your statement. Im sure that you have an opinion on the matter.

Originally posted by die_another_day
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

Today's slavery is in the form of economic slavery.

Debt = slavery, it happens on the individual level all the way up to the international level.

So then i suppose that every single Middle Class American (and down) is considered a slave?

Haitians aren't really in debt, they're in poverty. Poverty is a lack of resources combined with a lack of debt.

Debt can take the place of resources, but can lead to poverty.

Not the other way around.

I'm not sure if that's what you meant by that or not?

But i do see a lot of finger pointing going on in this thread, about how its the USA's fault that Haiti got hit by an EQ.

Really?

How many other foreign governments do you see rushing in with aid at this very moment?

Is Russia?
Is Germany?
How about Israel or Ethiopia?

I didn't think so.

Americans didn't cause the earth quake, and they didn't cause the devastation.

Besides, its too early atm to start the blame game. Let the recovery take place first, for christ sake.

Afterwards, you should start asking "Why were they so poor anyways?" and seek an answer that doesn't aim to shove off responsibility onto other people.

reply to post by die_another_day


One Word. Russia.

It's pretty ignorant for you to claim no where are whites oppressed, and you just look over the entirety of Russia. IN fact, Russia and her former USSR states. Pretty much everyone but a few are in poverty and crap.

Of the 6 billion people on Earth, more than half are in poverty. It's hardly racial. For the record, no nation on the equator in the modern era ever achieves much success, simply because they don't have the same conditions as the developed world. There's a few successes, but not many. It's not Racial. Just go look at a few S American Countries, South Africa, India, and China. All not very white. All have their most success furthest from the equator.

Also that and Hati isn't exactly a good place to make an economically successful nation.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Gorman91]

reply to post by die_another_day


So white people were never oppressed?

Tell that to the Jews....and the Irish. If you want to bring sensationalism into it, name one group of people who have been more persecuted, for LONGER periods of time, than the Irish.

Edit to add:

Does anyone else find it hysterically pathetic that it's okay for "minorities" to celebrate their ethnicity, but when a white person tries, he or she becomes racist? Fight the double standard and don't be an idiot.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Snarf]

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Snarf]

reply to post by Snarf


No. I take pride in the fact that I don't have to celebrate racial pride. I don't care. I feel more human not giving a damn.

Also its semi-ignorant to say "white" people can't celebrate their ethnicity in America. You fail to realize that "white" is not an ethnic group. It is a very large collage of nationalities. I'm Irish and Italian, and they do celebrate those nationalities plenty much so. The thing is that these are cultures, not races. They are nationalities. Black history month celebrates African Americans, not Africans. That's a big difference. African American is a vulture and nationality. Puerto Recon pride day celebrates Puerto Rican nationality. Now if "white", you mean WASP, then sure, create a British heritage month. In fact, sign the petition.

www.petitiononline.com...

I, however, do not care. There are no ethnic pride days

They are nationality days. Now yes, nationally we are all Americans. But we have our roots, and we celebrate our cultures.

reply to post by Gorman91


I see, so, then to celebrate Black History month, one must prove they are descendant from Africa? Hmm, well, black people reside in more than just Africa.

With respect - your argument is flawed. Your argument rests behind the bullet proof glass of "being politically correct". But i refuse to be PC. I refuse to acknowledge hyphenated Americans. Nobody is willing to call me Welsh-American. Or my friend Irish-American. We're just "White". Not that it really matters much to me, but in the same way that i don't call Asians "Asian-American", i refuse to call blacks "African American". Its just dumb...unless of course you are, directly, from Africa. Like, you just flew here and became a citizen...

When black panthers march - its noble. When KKK marches, its racist. Well, i agree with the latter, but i think BOTH are racist. But in the backwards, screwed up, immature world that we live in, i'm racist for even thinking that black people are racist for telling us white people are evil. It really is pathetic.


But thats just me. I don't allow politicians to dictate the way i talk, feel, and think.


[edit on 19-1-2010 by Snarf]

Has anyone ever wondered why most residents of the Dominican Republic despise Haitians? Or why every Haitian I've ever met with a lick of common sense attempts to flee the country?

I agree with the OP in one respect; if the US or other big economic powers wanted Haiti to be successful, it would be.

One is left to conclude that either Haiti has nothing to offer the big powers, and is therefore like Afghanistan used to be before oil got scarce, or that Haiti is being sabotaged for some reason.

I don't know anything about Haiti, but one thought comes to mind.

Has Haiti become the surrogate Cuba, until the mob can regain control of that island?

That would explain a lot, if true. Anybody know about this?

Did some checking. There are only two smallish casinos listed for Haiti. Maybe the mob angle is not the right one, unless Haiti figures in the drug trade.

[edit on 19-1-2010 by ipsedixit]