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Who do you think Gog and Magog are?

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posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Gog and Magog are mentioned in Hebrew Scripture,
(Ezekial 38:1---39:20) and in Christian Scripture,
(Revelation 20:8) which relies strongly on Daniel
and Ezekial.

The name Gog is almost certainly a symbolic one taken
from that of Gyges, king of Lydia, whether or not the
prophet has a specific person in mind. Magog may be an
Akkadian expression, mat-Gog, "the land of Gog." Meshech
and Tubal, as well as Gomer and Beth-togarmah(Ezekiel 38:6),
were countries around the Black Sea, the northernmost
countries known to the Hebrews; the north (Ezekiel 38:22) was
the traditional direction from which invasion was expected, (Jeremiah 1: 13-15).

Keep in mind that

a these represent Apocalyptic literature and must be read and understood
within the context of this literary form, not a literalist interpretation.
b prophets are not fortune tellers, and their message is never confined to
to one of 'doom' but always includes a promise of hope for the
survival of Israel.

The message for today depends on how one choses to interpret.

a how complacent are we when unjust economic, political and religious
systems oppress the powerless? Are we willing to take up the prophet's
task and speak out against injustice? When disaster comes, where
do we find hope that God has come with us?

b here's an example of just how dangerous the fundamentalist's
interpretation can be; according to one report, "the French ex-President
Jacques Chairac recounted during an interview with the French
journalist Jean-Claude Maurice how the U.S. President George Walker
Bush asked him in 2003 during a phone conversation for support of the
invasion of Iraq. In Maurice's book 'Si vous le repetez, je dementirai,'
George W. Bush is documented to have said "Gog and Magog are at
work in the Middle East". "The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled",
and "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict
to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins."


Both the Holy Bible and the Holy Koran can and are corrupted by those ideologies
which serve only their self interests.




posted on Jan, 31 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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Here's my two cents...
(Revelation 20:7-10) " 7 Now as soon as the thousand years have been ended, Satan will be let loose out of his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma'gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they advanced over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them. 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

In this context Gog is Satan...Magog is the peoples/nations that gather with him.
This is the only reference to Gog and Ma'gog in Revelation. And aslo in this context this event and gathering is well after Armagedon, and a thouusand years of peace on Earth...

as far as current events and application, Still, Gog is Satan, I would like to say Magog is Russia or China given their treatment of people of faith, (check this link on how both christians and muslims are being treated in Russia, and other countries) www.forum18.org... but alas...it is something greater and should probably not be looked at in this context as a single government, but all governments that Satan leads against God's peoples.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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If Gog of Magog has survived the first Judgement and lived through the Peace Millennium together with the other people of the First ressurrection, he and his nation can't be that bad, ey?

[edit on 1/2/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Satan not a bad guy because he gets kept around after Armageddon? HMMM YOU may chose to say that, not me.

Satin is kept in prison/abyss, until he is let out, to try to mislead the nations one last time, the final test. Even after the thousand years of peace as mankind attains the perfection that was orininaly intended, we still have free choice, so, there will need to be a weeding out (gathering together) of those who would decide to rebel against the Theocracy. And, then they get wiped out when they amass against God's people....at least, that's what it looks like it says to me.
Lets look again...

Revelation 20:7-10 (King James Version)

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
( Uh, Satan's in Prison-it doesn't say anything about the peoples with him in prison, I don't think they survived.)
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(He goes out, and decieves people of the Earth..together they are called Gog and Magog)
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
(and all the bad guys get destroyed and the faithful live happily ever after)
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



posted on Feb, 1 2010 @ 09:21 PM
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So it is known, my understanding is the mention of Gog and Magog in Revelation is taking place over a millenia after the fullfilment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Those things are happening now, whereas in the Revelation instance it is clearly later. But, the Role of Gog is still that of Satan, and Magog those that ally with him.



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Satan is not Gog of Magog. Satan is let out of his prison after the Millennium. He runs out to test Gog of Magog to see if he can deceive them, but fails. Get your stuff straight. Gog of Magog is obviously around when Satan is let out of his prison. Have you even read Revelation?

[edit on 2/2/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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The type of Satan is the King of Tyre, not Gog. Get your stuff straight. You judge what you don't know. Satan is Hiram Habiff in human form, he was the architect of Solomon's Temple. Gog is the king of Magog and he will attack Israel before the peace millennium and circle Jerusalem, though allowing the Believers to leave town and run to the hills after Israel has fallen from Berit and threatened to make the Earth desolate with it's nuclear arsenal together with USA (Nuclear arms are the abomination of desolation, and Israel has aquired it through deceit). Gog may infact be the king who will cast Satan into the abyss where the Beast is (the World Emperors from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, USA) and the False prophet (Popes with their Babylon, the Church supporting the false messjiach of Israel with nukes). Lift the veil, and see the truth. However, Satan will naturally survive without a scratch, Satan will infact enter Hell to further test the beasts like a smith tests gold. Check yoour ...... The truth is hidden in plain sight, as always. Remove your hate and question your love. We are here in a quest for knowledge, it's not about falling in love, swearing marriage and further profane our children in child baptism. Inherited sin won't help you anywhere but faster to Hell. There is no worse sin than to kill an inocent man (did Jesjuah have to die for your sins? If this is your opinion, you are the worst of killers and conspiritors) and there's no greater love than to give one's life to let other's live (have you really concidered that the centurion at the foot of the cross actually saved the life of Jesjuah? Longinus Panthera was later executed for letting Jesjuah survive).

[edit on 2/2/2010 by Neo Christian Mystic]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
I would have to think it would be Asia. Magog or Mongolians that terrorized that part of the world. Gog im not to sure about.

Arabic language the Great Wall of China is called "the wall of Al Magog" because the Great Wall was built to keep out the invading armies from Magog.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by JBA2848]


thats not why the chinese built the wall, it was built to protect them from the mongolians, which failed during gengjis khan and gog and magog are supposed to be trying to break through the wall daily whereas you can visit the great wall of china so your statement is incorrect. gog and mogog will come form another "world" in time to cause havoc etc. btw have you seen lord of the rings it kind of fits in with all this doomsday thingy, think about it jesus who is supposed to come back is aragon, gandalf is imam mehdi, gog and magog are the urak hia and the goblins as in the hadith (sayings of the prophet) it is said one will be tall wjile the other one short and middle earth could be middle east and dajjal the antichirst is sauron who made the ring covered in full armour the eye of sauron as dajjal will have to eyes like normal but only one eye is working the other is messed up and he will have kaffir written on his fore. in arabic and the isrealy army has a air force named after it heres the link en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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It's Russia and the leader of Russia.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 08:27 AM
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Gog=Equals Satan
Magog=Those that support Satan , knowingly or unknowingly.
Destiny=Gog loses battle jailed, released to lead rebellion and destroyed.
Magog follows Satan's leadership to destruction, twice.

Explanation

Since Gog & Magog are around after Christ's millennial reign, it can not apply to any person or nation alive AND opposed to God during the tribulation period, before Satan is abyssed and then again to them after Christs millennial reign.
The reason is all nations and people opposed to God are destroyed in the later half of the tribulation at Armageddon. So that would be impossible.
The only survivor of this event is Satan himself(demons too), who gets put in a spiritual & physical solitary confinement for 1000 years.

Thus, the land of Magog clearly has a symbolic significance

The central figure, or leader, of the earth-wide assault against the Messianic Kingdom and its subjects, according to Revelation, is Satan the Devil. He is the only person in the Biblical record who can be said to fulfill adequately the description and role assigned to ‘Gog of Magog’ in the prophecy given to Ezekiel. The prophecy in Ezekiel concerning Gog therefore points to a vicious, earth-wide assault on God’s people, an assault engineered and led by the abased Satan the Devil. This attack is what triggers the complete wiping out of such Satanic forces by means of God’s awesome power.—Eze 38:18-22.


A term used at Revelation 20:8 in relation to events to occur at the close of the Thousand Year Reign of Christ Jesus and subsequent to the loosing of Satan from the abyss. Instead of referring to a particular land or location, “Gog and Magog” here is used to describe those on earth who yield to the released Adversary’s influence and rebel against God’s rule as expressed through “the holy ones and the beloved city.”—Re 20:3, 7-10.

 Revelation 20:8 also speaks of “Gog and Magog.” Here, however, the reference is not to an individual commander, or ruler.

Both names are shown to apply to “those nations in the four corners of the earth” who allow themselves to be misled by Satan after he is released from the symbolic “abyss.” Since other texts show that the Millennial Rule of Christ brings an end to national rule and divisions (Da 2:44; 7:13, 14), it would appear that such “nations” are the product of rebellion against his earth-wide dominion.
They advance “over the breadth of the earth” to encircle “the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city.” This comes after the Millennial Rule over earth by Christ Jesus has reached its completion.—Re 20:2, 3, 7-9.

The use of the names “Gog and Magog” evidently serves to emphasize certain similarities between this post-Millennial situation and that of the earlier assault (prior to Satan’s being abyssed).

Both in Ezekiel and in Revelation, the opposers are numerous (those in Revelation being of an indefinite number, “as the sand of the sea”); the attack is the result of a widespread conspiracy and is directed against God’s servants when they enjoy great prosperity.

So, the use of “Gog and Magog” to describe those led into a post-Millennial rebellion is very fitting. Their end is absolute destruction.—Re 20:8-10, 14.



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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Gog and Magog are current cities now in Russia. Look it up.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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The Magog are a savage race of beast-like humanoids in the sci-fi TV series Andromeda.

Source

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Pixus]



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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I took your challenge
"Gog and Magog are current cities now in Russia. Look it up. "

Didn't find that...so a little help please
I did find this though
en.wikipedia.org...
"The Gog Magog Downs (also known as the Gog Magog Hills or simply the Gogs) are a range of low chalk hills, extending for several miles to the southeast of Cambridge in England."



posted on Nov, 16 2010 @ 05:04 AM
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Clear sign of the release of Gog and Magog:




posted on Jul, 23 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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* Revelation 16:16
* Ezekiel 38:1,2/8 & 16 Magog - Russia - China joins with them
* Revelation 16:12
* Revelation 9:14-18
* Daniel 11:40 - Egypt - King of the South
* Isaiah 17:1 - Syria - Damascus (Arabic) spelling
* Ezekiel 38:5 - Persia, changed it's name to Iran in 1932 then to Mesopotamian then Iraq
* Ezekiel 38:7 - Turkey - (Targarma)

from the Hebrew Bible 38:6 (Cush & Phut)
Ethiopia, Libya, Yemen, Sudan - and many parts of Africa
* Psalms 83:4-7 (Ammon & Edom ) Jordan, (Gebal), Libyan, and Philistines
* Joel 3:2 - (1)Ishmolites, (2)Hagordines, (3)Ishmaelites, (4)Hagarenes

Rosh (ancient Sarmatians know as Rashu, Rasapu, Ros & RUSSIA

Magog (ancient Scythians ) Central Asia ( Islamic Southern republics of the former Soviet Union with a population of 6 million Muslims

Meshech (ancient Muschki and Musku in Cilici and Cappadocia ) TURKEY

Tubal (ancient Tubalu in Cappadocia ) TURKEY

Persia ( name changed to Iran in 1935 ) IRAN

Ethiopia (ancient Cush, south of Egypt) Sudan

Libya (ancient Put, west of Egypt ) Libya

Gomer (ancient Cimmerians from seventh century to first century B.C. in central / west Anatolia

Turkey Beth, Tagarmah Tilgarimmu between ancient Carchemish and Haran) TURKEY


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Rosh - Hebrew - Strong's Concordance

means " Head " or " Chief " it means either the individual who is the chief or leader of this alliance or
the nation which leads it.

Gog - Prince of Meshech Tubal ( Russia )
Meshech & Tubal or " M - S(h) - C(h) " & " T - B - L "
The chief city of Russia is Moscow the first three consonant or Moscow match the principle consonant of Meshech
( i.e. " M-S-C ") The consonant or Tubal ( T-B-L )
can be seen preserved in the Russian city of Tobolsk and the river in Russia as well as in the Georgian city of this
is which was long a part of the old Soviet Union. According to the Ezechiel's prophecy RUSSIA will lead the attacking alliance

The genealogy of the sons of Noah

Genesis 10:1-3,6-7

( KJV )

10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah,
Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born
after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai,
and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and
Togarmah.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah,
and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah;
Sheba, and Dedan.

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Genesis 10:1-3,6-7

( NIV )

Ge. 10:1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons,
who themselves had sons after the flood.
Ge. 10:2 The sons [Sons may mean descendants or successors or
nations; also in verses 3, 4, 6, 7, 20-23, 29 and 31.] of
Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and
Tiras.
Ge. 10:3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
Ge. 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, [That is, Egypt; also in
verse 13] Put and Canaan.
Ge. 10:7 The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and
Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.

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Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of
Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and
prophesy against him,
38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am
against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them
with shield and helmet:
38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of
the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with
thee.

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Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:1 The word of the LORD came to me:
Ez. 38:2 “Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of
Magog, the chief prince of [Or the prince of Rosh,] Meshech
and Tubal; prophesy against him
Ez. 38:3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am
against you, O Gog, chief prince of [Or Gog, prince of
Rosh,] Meshech and Tubal.
Ez. 38:5 Persia, Cush [That is, the upper Nile region] and Put will be
with them, all with shields and helmets,
Ez. 38:6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the
far north with all its troops — the many nations with you.

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Russia ally is Ethiopia which is derived from the Hebrew word for Cush ( Strong Concordance #3568 )

Cush's decenants do include the nations of Ethiopia in the Horn of Africa but they are only a small portion of Cush's desendants
mostly migrated eastword into the Indian subcontinent and the name of their forefather Cush is still on the " Hindu Kush "
mountians along the border between Afghanistan and Paleistan. This ally will come from the
Afghaninstan and Paleistan region

The next ally is called Libya - Hebrew word translated " Lyba " is Phut or Put
( Strong Concordance #46316 )
Phut is a nation descended from Phut a son of Ham

Genesis 10:6

10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.

Phut / libya west from Egypt along the African coast prophecy does not specifically state " all of Phut " will join
Russia's alliance so time will tell whether all or part of their region joins Russia

The next Russian ally is labeled Gomer one of the sons of Japheth ( Genesis 10:2-31 )
The Hebrew word translated as " Troops " Ezekiel 38:6 means " Bands " Gomer will have extremely large population & it will
have many internal ethnic groups defined as " Bands " or " Troops "
The nations of Japheth are found in the oriental regions of Asia & the most populous nation on earth China

The last major ally listed is Togarmah , who was a son of Gomer ( Genesis 10:2-3) so it is closley related to the Chinese
ethnically this group is also described as being very populous and having many ethnic groups ("Bands") it will be located
in the " far North " regions of Asia and its close relationship with Gomer indicates it will be located just north
of Gomers latter-day descendents with Gome identified as China's many ethnic groups, Togarmah would dwell in the regions
located to the north of mainland China , Mongolia,Siberia & perhaps Manchuria , and North Korea. All these spheres of influence

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Genesis 10:2-31

(KJV)

10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai,
and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and
Togarmah.
10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim,
and Dodanim.
10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their
lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in
their nations.
10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut,
and Canaan.
10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah,
and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah;
Sheba, and Dedan.
10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one
in the earth.
10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore
it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the
LORD.
10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and
Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
10:11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded
Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
10:12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is
a great city.
10:13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and
Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
10:14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came
Philistim,) and Caphtorim.
10:15 And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth,
10:16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the
Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the
Canaanites spread abroad.
10:19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as
thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto
Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even
unto Lasha.
10:20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after
their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
10:21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of
Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were
children born.
10:22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and
Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
10:23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether,
and Mash.
10:24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one
was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his
brother's name was Joktan.
10:26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and
Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
10:27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,
10:28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
10:29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were
the sons of Joktan.
10:30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest
unto Sephar a mount of the east.
10:31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after
their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.



Genesis 10:1-31

( NIV )

Ge. 10:1 This is the account of Shem, Ham and Japheth, Noah’s sons,
who themselves had sons after the flood.
Ge. 10:2 The sons [Sons may mean descendants or successors or
nations; also in verses 3, 4, 6, 7, 20-23, 29 and 31.] of
Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and
Tiras.
Ge. 10:3 The sons of Gomer: Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah.
Ge. 10:4 The sons of Javan: Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the
Rodanim. [Some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text and
Samaritan Pentateuch (see also Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:7);
most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text Dodanim]
Ge. 10:5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their
territories by their clans within their nations, each with its
own language.)
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Ge. 10:6 The sons of Ham: Cush, Mizraim, [That is, Egypt; also in
verse 13] Put and Canaan.
Ge. 10:7 The sons of Cush: Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah and
Sabteca. The sons of Raamah: Sheba and Dedan.
Ge. 10:8 Cush was the father [Father may mean ancestor or
predecessor or founder; also in verses 13, 15, 24 and 26.] of
Nimrod, who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth.
Ge. 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD; that is why it is
said, “Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the LORD.”
Ge. 10:10 The first centres of his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Akkad
and Calneh, in [Or Erech and Akkad — all of them in]
Shinar. [That is, Babylonia]
Ge. 10:11 From that land he went to Assyria, where he built Nineveh,
Rehoboth Ir, [Or Nineveh with its city squares] Calah
Ge. 10:12 and Resen, which is between Nineveh and Calah; that is the
great city.
Ge. 10:13 Mizraim was the father of the Ludites, Anamites, Lehabites,
Naphtuhites,
Ge. 10:14 Pathrusites, Casluhites (from whom the Philistines came) and
Caphtorites.
Ge. 10:15 Canaan was the father of Sidon his firstborn, [Or of the
Sidonians, the foremost] and of the Hittites,
Ge. 10:16 Jebusites, Amorites, Girga#es,
Ge. 10:17 Hivites, Arkites, Sinites,
Ge. 10:18 Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites. Later the Canaanite
clans scattered
Ge. 10:19 and the borders of Canaan reached from Sidon towards Gerar
as far as Gaza, and then towards Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah
and Zeboiim, as far as Lasha.
Ge. 10:20 These are the sons of Ham by their clans and languages, in
their territories and nations.
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Ge. 10:21 Sons were also born to Shem, whose older brother was [Or
Shem, the older brother of] Japheth; Shem was the ancestor
of all the sons of Eber.
Ge. 10:22 The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.
10:23 The sons of Aram: Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. [See
Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:17; Hebrew Mash.]
Ge. 10:24 Arphaxad was the father of [Hebrew; Septuagint father of
Cainan, and Cainan was the father of] Shelah, and Shelah the
father of Eber.
Ge. 10:25 Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, [Peleg
means division.] because in his time the earth was divided; his
brother was named Joktan.
Ge. 10:26 Joktan was the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth,
Jerah,
Ge. 10:27 Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah,
Ge. 10:28 Obal, Abimael, Sheba,
Ge. 10:29 Ophir, Havilah and Jobab. All these were sons of Joktan.
Ge. 10:30 The region where they lived stretched from Mesha towards
Sephar, in the eastern hill country.
Ge. 10:31 These are the sons of Shem by their clans and languages, in
their territories and nations.
Ge. 10:32 These are the clans of Noah’s sons, according to their lines of
descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread
out over the earth after the flood.

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Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of
the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with
thee.


Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the
far north with all its troops — the many nations with you.

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Who is the OTHER global alliance ?
The second large global alliance attacked by the first one led by Russia is called " Israel " or " The House of Israel "
"Israel" the ten tribes of Israel who where prophesied in Hosea 1:10 to be vastly increased in population (and therefore ,
power/after they were exlled from the promised land Circa 723 B.C.

Ezekiel 38:8,14-16/39:12
Ezekiels prophecy in the latter years

Where were the lost tribes of Israel at the time of JESUS ?
The Well Known Jewish historian Josephus the ten tribes had a very massive population in the Asia empire of Parthia as their
home and Parthian major " Wise Men " were Divinely led to worship Jesus in Matthew 2, they fell in the 3rd century A.D.
The millions of Parthian refugees poured into Europe and were called " Cavcasian ", Goths, Germans, Saxons, Vandals, etc.
U.S. , U.K. , Canada, Australia & New Zeland (NATO)
" The Western Alliance " Israelis, Isralite tribe of Judah

Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter
years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back
from the sword, and is gathered out of many people,
against the mountains of Israel, which have been always
waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they
shall dwell safely all of them.
38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog,
Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of
Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north
parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding
upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel,
as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days,
and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may
know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before
their eyes.
39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be
burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.



Ezekiel

( NIV )

Ez. 38:8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years
you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose
people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of
Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought
out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
Ez. 38:14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is
what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people
Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?
Ez. 39:15 As they go through the land and one of them sees a human
bone, he will set up a marker beside it until the gravediggers
have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog.
Ez. 38:16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that
covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you
against my land, so that the nations may know me when I
show myself holy through you before their eyes.
Ez. 39:12 “‘For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them
in order to cleanse the land.

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Ezekiel's 38th - 39th Chapter

Is there a THIRD power bloc in the world at the " End Times " ?
after the suprise attack of led by Russia ,China and Iran Ezekiel 38 mention another bloc of nation which is NOT ! part of the attacking alliance the OBJECT to it when it occours Ezekiel 38:13
" SHEBA ,DEDAN ,The Merchants of TARSHISH. Sheba & Dedan, the merchants of TARSHISH are increasingly looking like modern India -
large democracy with english speaking history membership in the British Empire it is increasingly drawn toward the west
via economic ties & mutual concerns about Islamic terrorism and the rapid milirtarization of China


( KJV )
38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish,
with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art
thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company
to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away
cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

( NIV )
Ez. 38:13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her
villages [Or her strong lions] will say to you, “Have you
come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to
carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods
and to seize much plunder?”’

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Who then are the " Merchants of Tararhish and all their young lions", who also have the same negative reaction to the Gog-led
attacks as did the people of Sheba and Dedan ?
Genesis 10:4 identifies Tarshish as the people descended from Japheth, whose descendants are now mostly located in Asia.
Tarshish was the son of Javan as well as the grandson of Japheth since it as one of the inital tribes of Japheths's descendants
it should have grown into a large nation a hudge clue as to their modern identity is Ezekiel 38:13.
Their entire nation is so closely linked to merchandising goods to others that they are called a nation of Merchants !
JAPAN sometimes called " Japan INC. " in the media
Tarshish was named Javan ,and the name is little changed in the national name of Japan. The island of Java in Indonesia also
preserves the name of Javan (Genesis 10:4) there are other descendents of Javan who are not Japanese "Young Lions" in the moderen
world that it can only mean that there is a Creator God of the Bible who is actively guiding the destinies of nations to fullfill
his prophecies (Isaiah 41:21-26) God challenging skeptics and authorship of the Bible.
There is a number of Smaller Asian nations on the Pacific rim which have copied the merchntile export -driven servces called
"Young Lions" nation of "Young Tigers". Economies of Asia since there where only Asian Lions not Tiggers in the region of the
ancient promised land and fertile crescent ( in which Ezekiel lived and wrote ) " Young Lions " could be tanslated " Young Tigers "
IS IT NOT AMAZING how PERCISELY the Bible a millennia ago the modern realities and traits of Japan and various Pacific Rim nations?
South Korea, Taiwan, The Phillipines, Singapore, Thailand, etc.

Genesis 10:4

(KJV)

10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim,
and Dodanim.

( NIV )

Genesis 10:4

Ge. 10:4 The sons of Javan: Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittim and the
Rodanim. [Some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text and
Samaritan Pentateuch (see also Septuagint and 1 Chron. 1:7);
most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text Dodanim


Ezekiel

( KJV )

38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish,
with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art
thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company
to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away
cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?


Isaiah 41:21-26

( KJV )

41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth
your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall
happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that
we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or
declare us things for to come.
41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we
may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that
we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
41:24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought:
an abomination is he that chooseth you.
41:25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall
come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my
name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and
as the potter treadeth clay.
41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may
know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous?
yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that
declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.


Isaiah 41:21-26

( NIV )

Is. 41:21 “Present your case,” says the LORD. “Set forth your
arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
Is. 41:22 “Bring in your idols to tell us what is going to happen. Tell us
what the former things were, so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome. Or declare to us the things to
come,
Is. 41:23 tell us what the future holds, so that we may know you are
gods. Do something, whether good or bad, so that we will be
dismayed and filled with fear.
Is. 41:24 But you are less than nothing and your works are utterly
worthless; he who chooses you is detestable.
Is. 41:25 “I have stirred up one from the north, and he comes — one
from the rising sun who calls on my name. He treads on
rulers as if they were mortar, as if he were a potter treading
the clay.
Is. 41:26 Who told of this from the beginning, so that we could know,
or beforehand, so that we could say, `He was right’? No-one
told of this, no-one foretold it, no-one heard any words from
you.



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