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It is not unusual that such peoples would have deep memories of floods and have developed mythologies surrounding floods to explain and cope with an integral part of their lives. To these ancient cultures, a flood that covered their known world would likely be considered local flooding by First World standards instead of literally the entire planet. Scholars point out that most cultures living in areas where flooding was less likely to occur did not have flood myths of their own. These observations, coupled with the human tendency to make stories more dramatic than events originally warranted, are all the points most mythology scholars feel is necessary to explain how myths of world-destroying cataclysmatic floods evolved.
Originally posted by TheBorg
Look, I'm just stating my take on an old story. If you read the text around the Paleg verse, it becomes quite clear that he was talking about the planet's surface, and not the peoples of earth. I understand how the text can be mis-interpreted, and I also understand that I'm as potentially fallible as anyone else, but I don't believe this to be the case. As for a worldwide flood, why is it that all of the great societies of earth have the same story? And before you say that they stole it from each other, why don't we date the different texts, and see how close they really are.
However, despite all this, it again comes back to the same point that I made once before. It's all a matter of faith in what one believes. I consider it just like when a replay is called in NFL football, if there isn't overwhelming evidence to the contrary, then the current call/belief stands. I have to see huge amounts of proof that refute what everyone has taken to be truth for the past 4000+ years.
I still ask you though, what makes us think that there were as many or more animals in Noah's day as there are now? And if the story of Noah is to be believed, God brought the animals to Noah so he could load them onto the ark. Again, just my few cents.
I do surmise though that you are an athiest, but that shouldn't change your approach to evidence, nor does it really matter (was just making an observation). If nothing else, it should strengthen it. To an athiest, evidence is everything, as without it or science, one has nothing.
Originally posted by Produkt
And as it stand's there is literally no evidence of a world wide flood.
Originally posted by Produkt
C'mon! Do better guy. Don't hand me some creationist garbage. These the same people who think man and dino's existed together and the earth is only 6,000 years old?
These people are the most idiotic total moron's who have no clue in wth they're talking about. They want to deny the truth, let them. You want to deny the truth, kudos to you. Next time, don't shove a creationist BS link down my throat.
Noah's Ark was taller than a 3-story building and had a deck area the size of 36 lawn tennis courts. Its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters); its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters); it had three stories and its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters).
Originally posted by dbrandt
And you are rejecting this information because.............exactly, it comes from the other side. The side that you don't agree with. That's a surprise. There won't have to be a next time, you need to look for the rest of the info yourself. You only get one freebie.
[edit on 14-2-2006 by dbrandt]
Recently, one of our associates sat down with a highly respected world-class Hebrew scholar and asked him this question: ‘If you started with the Bible alone, without considering any outside influences whatsoever, could you ever come up with millions or billions of years of history for the Earth and universe?’ The answer from this scholar? ‘Absolutely not!’
Let’s be honest. Take out your Bible and look through it. You can’t find any hint at all for millions or billions of years.
Originally posted by Produkt
What's this saying? It say's.
"So, if we just went by the word of the bible with all the mistranslation's and our own interpretation's on what it mean's and we disregard all scientifice evidence that goes against our faith ..."
Yea ... It's all science's fault! Those god damn sadistic evil bastards! Damn them to an eternal hell while we love thy neighbor and do unto other's as we'd have them do unto us! Ah crap ... scratch that love thy thing and that do unto whatever's ... can't get much done doing that nonsense!
Originally posted by nichole
How come I have to be an athiest? If it's because I like facts then there are a whole lot of biblical archaeologists (not one so far that I have found that doesn't have faith and are still trying to prove to this day that the bible is the historical truth) have some serious expalining to do. Everything I stated previously is not something I made up, it's FACT!
In my own journey to find some reason to believe in God or a higher power, I have studied extremely hard to find that there is no historical basis nor any archaeological or geological proof of a world wide flood. And with that, I noted only things that I found that support what I wrote.
In reference to your comment about dating the flood myths, it would be nearly impossible to do that. Most cultures didn't write them down, they were passed on by word of mouth from generation to generation. ... [edited for brevity] ... Noah didn't write the story as it was happening and it's known that the bible was written close to 1,000 years after it all happened. In the case of Noah's flood which has been written that it took place around 3000 B.C., that's over 2,000 years before anyone even thought to write down the story. You really think that someone at that time knew exactly what had happened? I seriously doubt it. Do a little research and see when they started building boats of that magnitude, that could actually last that long, in what would be something so catastrophic that anything that wasn't on that boat didn't survive.
What everyone took as literal truth for the past 4000+ years? Christianity really didn't even start becoming a religion until Constantine's time (306-337 A.D.) (In my previous post I said Constantinople which was Constantine's kingdom, sorry for the confusion).
As for the animal comment, I didn't make it so you can ask someone else what they think
How then do you explain the presence of sandstone over the surface of the entire earth? Only one thing creates sandstone, and that's sand. Sand comes from bodies of water, plus you must also accept the 'fact' that sedimentary rock like clay, is everywhere over the surface. There's just too much geological and fossil evidence to deny the existence of a catastrophic flood.
Sandstone is a sedimentary rock composed mainly of sand-size mineral or rock grains. Most sandstone is comprised of quartz and/or feldspar because these are the most common minerals in earth's crust.
I tend to agree with this statement as well as the one that followed that about how Christianity reinvented holidays, as that's true. However, it should also be noted that if something is true, why wouldn't someone want to perpetuate that truth for all generations to remember? Just because Gilgamesh MAY have written the story first, doesn't make it any less true for the rest of the world's civilizations, now does it?
I find it a little disheartening that people don't see the facts when they stare them in the face. Maybe I'm the blind one, I don't know. I can accept it if some of the stories told in the Bible are nothing but stories, but to suggest that the whole Bible is composed of nothing tangible is kind of insulting to every Christian out there, which is why I surmised that you were an athiest. If I surmised in err, I apologize.
Growth rings in wood are caused by rain, so in a pre flood environment, with no rain, the trees would have no growth rings. And this is exactly what the American team found! In fact, if the material did have growth rings, it could not have been Noah's Ark.
In a tree the cambium, the cells that will become wood or bark, grows in a light layer during late spring/early summer changing to a dark layer in later summer/early fall. This is the pattern in Alaska. The light layer is early wood, formed when the tree is growing rapidly. The dark layer is late wood and is grown more slowly. The growth occurs at the outside of the trunk, just under the bark, so that a light and dark ring pair represents one year.
A Christian who was researching these claims writes (in a document forming part of Ark Search’s ‘written evidence’) that when he was shown this ‘petrified laminated wood’ sample, Wyatt told him that he had had it analysed by Galbraith Laboratories and the tests indicated that it was silicate replacement (that is, the wood had been replaced by a silicon compound). This cannot be truthful, since the laboratory report, also in Ark Search’s possession, shows that silicon was not even analysed for by Galbraith! No future compliance by Wyatt to have the sample sectioned is feasible without the safeguard of eye-witnesses who are familiar with this so-called ‘laminated’ ‘pecky cypress’.