Noah's ark ? How ?

nanna... funny funny post :-)

Now on the age thing. Dont assume that the same dating system was always used. Did one revolution always equal a day. Did 365 days always equal a year. What if one year was based on a full moon cycle? But remember... what you read in the bible is just stories written by man. Not a single story was inked by anyone other than man. The authors claim the messages are from god but who really knows?

yeah its kinda funny how almost every old civilisation has a flood " myth"..

make ya think......as for me....I have faith.....


and why is it " they"....have put up so many barriers to finding out wether its there or not

Originally posted by zero_snaz
Have you noticed the ages of people in the Bible? Pre-flood almost everyone lived 500+ years, then after the flood the age began to drop off quit rapidly until it reached about 75-100 years.

I found this site, its nothing reputable, but it does have some insight to the questions\comments being thrown about here.

www.angelfire.com...

I personally think that Noah had plenty of time to build the ark and take up 2 of every kind of animal on the planet. There may not be enough water on the planet to completley cover the entire earth, with the power of god he could make enough water to cover earth to the brim. Incase some of you forgot, god MADE the earth... he made man, he made everything to his liking, so im pretty sure if he wanted to flood the earth, he could make it happen in no time. but this is all just IMO.

a more accurate way i've heard to count a year is 360 days a year, indy. when it mentions the seven year tribulation in the book of revelations, the total amount of days comes to 2520 days, which divided by 365 does not come to a complete number, but by 360, it does.

flippin channles on cable the other night , I came across jack van imp'

saying something about aug 15th and the discovery of the ark?...didnt catch the hole thing....but is there another expedition on ararat ?

Originally posted by zero_snaz
Have you noticed the ages of people in the Bible? Pre-flood almost everyone lived 500+ years, then after the flood the age began to drop off quit rapidly until it reached about 75-100 years.

It's because those in Noah's ship ehm.. reproduced with each other and then they did it with their cousins and sister... People's genes became inferior and that's why humans live only 70 years now.
Too bad, if there wasn't for flood we would all be much much better now.

Originally posted by Megaquad

Originally posted by zero_snaz
Have you noticed the ages of people in the Bible? Pre-flood almost everyone lived 500+ years, then after the flood the age began to drop off quit rapidly until it reached about 75-100 years.

It's because those in Noah's ship ehm.. reproduced with each other and then they did it with their cousins and sister... People's genes became inferior and that's why humans live only 70 years now.
Too bad, if there wasn't for flood we would all be much much better now.

Then who did Adam and Eves offspring 'do it' with? brothers and sisters, cousins.

Hewbrew is really hard to translate into English exactly the same thing, but you have to translate exactly the same thing in order not to get false information. It was probably translated wring. Perhaps it's 70 days not 7.

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
Have you seen the dimensions of Noah's ark ?

Noah's Ark was taller than a 3-story building and had a deck area the size of 36 lawn tennis courts. Its length was 300 cubits (450 feet, or 135 meters); its width was 50 cubits (75 feet, or 22.5 meters); it had three stories and its height was 30 cubits (45 feet, or 13.5 meters).

How do you think he did for make it only in 7 days ?

Re-read Genesis 7. The Lord tells Noah to enter the ark, the ark having been built in chapter six. He says that the flood will begin in seven days. The next few verses describe the collecting of the animals, and then in verse 11 the flood begins. The catch with this in my mind was always, "how did he get all the animals together?" The answer (the most logical one I've heard at least) is that he didn't: God caused all the animals to come to Noah. They must have begun arriving not long after God spoke to Noah.

Verse 11 describes the flood thusly:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." Genesis 7:11 (no conveinience store jokes, please )

It's not clear how long it took, but he didn't build it in seven days.

though i do belive in most of the bible this does put it in a nut shell you know god may have made him think that way but... the truth is there had to be millons of people he4lping and plus it would have to take atleast a half of a year to get some of the animals ... even though there might have not been as many then due to the splicing of cells and other things now bu break it down and you could say he exagerated like many people do nowadays.

Originally posted by Tisumi
though i do belive in most of the bible this does put it in a nut shell you know god may have made him think that way but... the truth is there had to be millons of people he4lping and plus it would have to take atleast a half of a year to get some of the animals ... even though there might have not been as many then due to the splicing of cells and other things now bu break it down and you could say he exagerated like many people do nowadays.

Why would there have to be millions of people helping? The man lived to be 950 years old! He had at least a hundred years to finish the project, and he had his sons and their families to help with the work. Don't forget, he didn't have to work through a committee.

according to ENKI, in the book of ENKI, translated by zacharia sitchen:

it wasn't a problem.
they put vials of DNA in the sub/ark.
much easier and way more sanitary don't cha know!

The Bible states that the ark was built of "gopher wood". Gopher is probably yet another Biblical mistranslation and stood for "Kopher" which apparently means any wood covered with bitumen.

According to the Bible the Ark was 450 feet or 135 meters long, 75 feet, or 22.5 meters wide and 45 feet, or 13.5 meters high. It wasn't until 1884 that a ship belonging to the Cunard Line "The Eturia" exceeded these measurements and this wasn't made of wood.

I have read elsewhere that it is physically impossible for such a vast vessel to be expected to float and last for any length of time in water due to the warping effect that water would have on the wood - even if it was covered in bitumen. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet long (150 feet less than the ark), and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly that they must be constantly pumped.

It's OK the Bible thumpers shouting on about how it must have hasppened because the Bible says so, but the gathering of the animals is way too suspect also. There are many species which are indigenous only to certain parts of the world. Noah would have had to travel to Australia to pick up the likes of the Kangaroo or the Koala - otherwise they would have perished in a "global" flood.

There is a good critique of the flood story here:

www.talkorigins.org...

People always seem to forget that there are species of fish who cannot live in saltwater, and those that cannot live in freshwater.

Originally posted by Leveller
The Bible states that the ark was built of "gopher wood". Gopher is probably yet another Biblical mistranslation and stood for "Kopher" which apparently means any wood covered with bitumen.

According to the Bible the Ark was 450 feet or 135 meters long, 75 feet, or 22.5 meters wide and 45 feet, or 13.5 meters high. It wasn't until 1884 that a ship belonging to the Cunard Line "The Eturia" exceeded these measurements and this wasn't made of wood.

I have read elsewhere that it is physically impossible for such a vast vessel to be expected to float and last for any length of time in water due to the warping effect that water would have on the wood - even if it was covered in bitumen. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet long (150 feet less than the ark), and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly that they must be constantly pumped.

It's OK the Bible thumpers shouting on about how it must have hasppened because the Bible says so, but the gathering of the animals is way too suspect also. There are many species which are indigenous only to certain parts of the world. Noah would have had to travel to Australia to pick up the likes of the Kangaroo or the Koala - otherwise they would have perished in a "global" flood.

There is a good critique of the flood story here:

www.talkorigins.org...

In Genesis 1:9 we learn that all the land mass of the earth was connected together in the beginning. In 1st Chronicles 1:19 we learn that it was in the days of a man named Peleg that the earth(its land) was divided into the continents. So now we know it was no prblem getting animals from everywhere.

Sure it would be a problem. Even if the land masses were connected it would still be a massive journey to collect different species. They wouldn't all live in the same place. Different species require different climates, habitats, food sources, etc.
They wouldn't all be sitting there on Noah's doorstep.

Noah's ark dimensions are clearly stated in the Bible. Here is a direct link that answers all your questions, including dimensions and whether scientific evidence supports the claim (it does):

www.christiananswers.net...

Sorry. That website is just complete and utter bunk.

Take the argument for example that Noah didn't need to take seals because they are aquatic.
Sure they are aquatic but they can't survive at sea for 40 days. They need land. And as for stating that Noah didn't need to take fish? There are freshwater and marine types of fish - neither can live in each other's envronment. He would have at least had to take one type.

The theory that the animals hibernated for 40 days is completely without scientific foundation. To say that nearly all aniamls can achieve this form of stasis is a lie.

A worldwide flood would have left a signature. There is absolutely no evidence of this occuring. There is however evidence of a localised flooding of the Euphrates basin where the Epic of Gilgamesh was said to take place. The Noah story also takes in much of what was written in Gilgamesh, including the doves, olive branches and animals. The coincidences are too great to overlook - The Epic of Gilgamesh was the basis for the story of Noah.

If you think about the story of Noah afrom a scientific point of view, perhaps he took DNA from every animal and not the animals themselves. That wouldn't take a large vessel at all. He was quite uniqe individual, living 950 years and all, perhaps he had other abilities. You never know, all the people from the Bible that had extreme life spans could be from a place other than this world. And please don't ask for "proof" or a link, it's just a thought to ponder.

Also, I see the question of life spans came up. Below is a link to a thread that goes into that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i see alot of faith in the possibility of this happening. i think back then when they had every sex of every animal there was a shorter list of different animal species. a smaller one than we have today.