Israel should be tried for war crimes

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

They sure do seem to have the same state of mind. Less freedoms and complete control and anyone who is different is the enemy.

Yep...and to think that i had to discuss, more like argue, with several "progressives" in the website that giving away the right of freedom of choice is NEVER a good idea...yet they claim that "being FORCED to do MANDATORY Community Service is for the good of the nation"... it sounds a bit too much like National Socialism if you ask me, but with more Socialist/Communist dictatorial programs....

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reply to post by Subjective Truth


And this is different to the current America, how?

reply to post by K-Raz


You might want to go back to school and work on your reading comprehension it seems to be lacking. I was making a point about how they are persecuted against be many nations.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Palestinians have been sending missiles and shells into Israel trying to kill people there. Israel retaliates.

Meanwhile in the Sudan a Muslim regime enacted a systematic genoicide of the poorer blacks in the country's Darfur region which contains oil resources.

Something approaching half a million have been murdered, raped, starved by this program. The government actually sends Arab militias called janjaweed to make sure the maximum number of homes are burned to the ground and people are brutally murdered to further intimidate them.

OF course on ATS this isn't a concern, neither are the hundreds of thousands of government sanctioned murders in the Congo and elsewhere.

On ATS the only concern is to find reasons to criticize Jews and Israel.

IT has been suggested that apart from the ignorant racists that swamp this forum, there are people actually being paid specifically to foment Jew hatred.



[edit on 16-1-2010 by mmiichael]

There is a BIG difference between Israel and Sudan, Sudan is not being backed HEAVILY by the US. The US is pumping a lot of money AND weapons into Israel and so is effectively adding to the unrest in the middle-east.

Anyway, I can easily compare the situation to the following scenario:

Ahmed (Palestine) throws a rock at you (Israel), you (Israel) flatten their home, kill their family, destroy the school their children go to, while they're in it... in retaliation.

To say Israel are 'democratic' is a #ing joke.

reply to post by K-Raz


Deflect away your arguments are getting picked apart hurry find a way to win. I wish we had brighter crayons to argue against sometimes.

reply to post by dnanimal


So you should not kill the mosquito that keeps biting you. If someone threatened to kill your family as you slept would you not take them seriously?

reply to post by Subjective Truth


You Good Sir are absolutely amazing!

Hitler liked the Arabs.... So what? what are you trying to imply with this statement?

If you are trying to imply that Arabs are bad people who deserve to be treated like animals and bunt alive hideously with white phosphorus bombs I will have to disagree with your terribly flawed logic.

Did you know that Jews LOVED Hitler? Which is precisely why they had a huge part of putting Hitler in power. This does not mean that Jews are bad people right?

But fear not my miss guided logical friend! I will answer your question about the Palestinian people being held accountable.

Should they? Yes they most definitely should.

If you shoot a dangerous rocket, no matter how primitive it is you should be held accountable. If you blow yourself up killing a bunch of people there is not much you can do beyond prevention, but if there was a way to revive said suicide bomber the person most definitely should be held accountable.

But forgive me perhaps I am saying this because I am an American but I feel that punishments should be proportional to the crime. Just because some nut job shoot a rocket into your country does not mean you get to kill Babies, women and children. Again perhaps I am only saying this because I am an American and I'm not a barbaric monster who is out to please a vengeful god.

Do you see England blowing Ireland into smithereens over the IRA? Do you see England using white phosphorus bombs on Irish Babies?

Originally posted by socrateeze


The lawmakers are visiting Gaza to draw attention to the territory’s “evil blockade” by Israel and Egypt. Will it do any good? The world seems to think Israel can do no wron. IMO they are the true terrorists!!!! Israel has been attacking their neighbors and trying to get the world into another world war since 1948. They may be close if we let them. Come on America, distance yourselves from Israel before they pull you into the cesspool with them.

www.kawther.info
(visit the link for the full news article)

I agree with many of your statements, but, America has been enabling their behavior for quite some time if not influencing it. It won't be Israel sucking America down the tubes, it will be America sucking Israel down.

I'm leaving this discussion for tonight, some of the posters here made me sick to my stomach. I have never believed in shills before tonight. This is an issue that needs to be discussed objectively, yet, it has been hinted that im a nazi, or a muslim - That's just low.

Added some new foes though

reply to post by K-Raz


I called it you lost and now the tale is tucking and wait for it wait for it run away that is all that you can do now. This is the elusive progressive when corned they attack and make it personal and then when that does not work run for the hills thank you by the way.

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reply to post by Magnum007


Obviously you haven't noticed it yet that you are the one, alongside some others, swallowing the lies, and disinformation completely....

Israel taking all the land?... Obviously you haven't taken a look at a map at all of the area...

BTW, i guess Palestinian terrorists do not hide amongst the regular Palestinians, and use their houses to hide, and to hide weapons...

i guess The Palestinian terrorists don't hide behind children and send them with suicide vests towards Israeli positions...humm i wonder why the Israeli military is also very cautious when they see Palestinian children...

I guess the Palestinian terrorists haven't murdered innocent Jewish people, which btw there are less Jewish people than Arab muslims...

Everything you said you got it backwards..it is obvious as to what you are, so go ahead and come out of the closet, there is no point in denying what you are...you hate the nation of Israel and the Jewish people living in it...

Obviously like so many other 'progressives" and "Islamic extremist sympathizers" you don't believe that Israel has a right to exist...just like Palestine has a right to exist...but nooo...Let's allow the Arab Muslims to take over the entire Middle East...after all why allow the Jewish people to fight for their land?...

Then after that the Europeans should not fight against the Islamic extremists attacking their nations, and cities...the Europeans should allow the islamic extemists to spread islam by the sword/bomb....

So Europeans...NONE of you have the right to live where you live...so get the heck out of those lands becase the Islamic extremists also want them....



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reply to post by Izarith


I enjoy your argument at least it thought out and concise. I still think you are wrong but logic is always respected by me.

reply to post by Izarith


And to answer your question about other countries including Britain using illegal methods I bet everything I own they have done things that would turn your stomach they are just better at hiding it.

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You are certainly amazing...

Did you even bother to read from where this information is coming from?... No...you believed it right away...

Does it surprise you that certain people, and groups try to make up stories trying to blame the entire nation of Israel and it's peope?....

When it comes to Palestinian suicide bombers you just want to blame the bomber himself/herself, but when it comes to an act by some Israelite people, someone like you want the entire nation of Israel to pay the consequences?...even when there is still no evidence for this story.... irony at it's worse...



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We have something to compare the situation of Jews in the Middle East.
The Christian presence was once extensive in the region.

Systematically they've been forced out of places where they were native for two thousand years. Ironically Israel is the only Middle East state actively accepting Christian immigrants fleeing persecution from less tolerant countries like Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, etc.

Some reading will really have to strain to somehow find a reason to blame Jews for this.

www.danielpipes.org...

The Middle East Quarterly begins its eighth year with its first issue devoted to a single topic—that of disappearing Christians in the Middle East.

The transfer of power of Bethlehem from Israel to the Palestinian Authority just before Christmas 1995 inspired a spate of articles on Bethlehem's diminishing Christian presence. They noted that a place not long ago 80 percent Christian is now but one-third Christian. For the first time in nearly two millennia, the most identifiably Christian town on earth has lost its Christian majority. The same changes have taken place in two other famously Christian towns, Nazareth and Jerusalem. In Nazareth, Christians went from 60 percent of the population in 1946 to 40 percent in 1983. Jerusalem Christians in 1922 slightly outnumbered Muslims (15,000 versus 13,000); today, they number under 2 percent of the city's population.
The same applies in other parts of Israel.

A report from the Galilee village of Turan quotes a Christian store owner: "Most Christians will leave as soon as we can sell our houses and shops. We can't live among these people [Muslims] anymore." One journalist concludes that "The Christian community in the West Bank is close to extinction."

Nor are Israeli-held territories unusual in this regard; Christians are fleeing from all over the Middle East. Emigration began in the aftermath of World War I and has greatly picked up in the last decade. In Turkey, Christians constituted a population of 2 million in 1920 but now only some thousands remain. So severe is the problem that the Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul is in danger of collapsing for lack of large enough pool of candidates.

Christians earlier in this century represented about one-third of the Syrian population; now they account for less than 10 percent.

In 1932, they composed 55 percent of the Lebanese population, now less than 30 percent. More than half the Christians of Iraq have left. Copts began leaving Egypt in significant numbers after the 1952 revolution.

The Christian population decline has two main causes: emigration and declining birth rates.

Emigration represents the end of a long process of exclusion and persecution. On the West Bank, a nearly-permanent Muslim boycott of Christian businesses is the problem. In Egypt, fundamentalist Muslims constantly target Christians. The Lebanese civil war of 1975-90, when reduced to its essentials, represented a successful effort by Muslims to reduce Christian power in the country. But by far the worst situation is in the Sudan, where the civil war that has been raging most of the time since 1956 has led to wholesale atrocities.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Magnum007

 

i guess The Palestinian terrorists don't hide behind children and send them with suicide vests towards Israeli positions...humm i wonder why the Israeli military is also very cautious when they see Palestinian children...



[edit on 16-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

"Oh look, a crowd of Palestinian children, better open fire on them incase one of them has a bomb"

The loss of life is COMPLETELY unnecessary.

After two posts I am out of here, I feel sick.

reply to post by Subjective Truth


Well since you like logic perhaps you might understand why I am against Israel using such disgusting tactics against an occupied and desperate people who have no where to go.

I support Jews having a Country of their own. I support that land being of their choosing since they are so religious and will stop at nothing until it's the wholly land they want. I support my tax dollars working to make this happen in a peaceful way.

But I will not sit silent while my money is used to oppress and kill children. I am Not A Nazi and never will have any part or be friend with such people.

If Israel does not learn to make peace, or at least learn to stop being so disgustingly ruthless they will bring conflict and condemnation upon them from this all ready Anti-semitic world. If they don't change their attitude soon it will lead to war with the middle east, nuclear war. The USA will be forced to be a part of this war.

This will lead to war with Asia, This war will make WW II looks like a nice walk in the park.

Think what you will but Arabs do not stop fighting, ever. These guys blow themselves up for crying out loud!

If Israel whats to fight that, that's their business but not with my money or my children at the front lines. I will have no part of war or killing and will never support it. This war will lead to once again the Jews loosing their land just like they have done over and over again.

Israel not learning how to get along and genuinely working toward peace is stupid and will cost them their land.

Jews and Muslims love to fight and kill each other, they have been at it forever. I just want to be left out of it if Israel a country America helped will not take a first step toward peace.

STOP TAKING MY MONEY!!!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


If you don't know the difference between a dirty hungry misguided terrorist and a fully trained well armed soldier you need to look it up.

Israel is fighting Terrorist that have no interest in the Palestinian people. Israel is killing men, women and children that the Terrorist have no feeling for.

Israel has no power to kill terrorist so they are taking their frustration out on civilians hoping that maybe a terrorist was among them.

Is a very inhuman and disgusting way for one of the most powerful counties equipped with the 4th strongest military might in the WORLD to conduct it's affairs. I have no problem with Israel doing such, JUST NOT WITH MY MONEY!!!

reply to post by Izarith


I am sorry but maybe I was wrong about you in one post you say they have the right to do what they want and it is about you paying for it and then in the next post it has nothing to do with money? which one is it?

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reply to post by Subjective Truth


Yes Britain has done terrible things to the Irish, They have tortured Irish people.

Some people might even say that the potato famine was a British plot.

But even tho Briton has done this, Eve tho the IRA has planted bombs and killed innocent people you do not see Briton acting in such a degrading and appalling manner as you see Israel doing now do you?

Now either Jews in Israel are better than people in Britain and The Irish are Gods compared to the palestinian people or Israel need to stop acting like the terrorists they are trying to fight.