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Originally posted by Flakey
What do you suggest we do? What are you doing? What can be done?
Originally posted by dereks
The reason for the tunnels is to smuggle in weapons, ammo, explosives and rocket parts etc. used to attack Israel, which is why Hamas is getting upset by the barrier.
If they simply stopped attacking Israel then the border would be open. But Hamas cares nothing for the Palestinian people, prefering to use them as pawns and shields whilst they attack Israel
Originally posted by Jakes51It is the job of the elected leaders in Israel to prevent violent incursions into the country by Hamas or any terrorist groups. However, there is a flip-side to that coin as well. The Palestinian leadership led by Hamas has a solemn duty to ensure and preserve the safety and survival of their people as well.
Right now, the Hamas leadership are abysmal failures with their rocket attacks and hard-line leanings. Their people are being starved, maimed, and killed. All this to prove a political point with Israel? If the people of Gaza want some semblance of human dignity, they must run the leadership out of office!
After such action is accomplished, form a provisional government or transitional government with fair community leaders until proper elections can be held, and open dialogue with Israel. In accordance with the dialogue, a seize fire or truce would have to be met by both sides. Hamas won't go without a fight and civil war may ensue in Gaza? But, something needs to be done, because I don't see Hamas loosening their stance with Israel. However, I may be clutching for straws, because it is the Middle East we are talking about. However, the killing on both sides has to stop, before any humanitarian overtures can take place in Gaza.
The only thing different is Mexico is not surrounded by walls. Any aid, food material and relief is not blocked, and Mexicans are not solely dependent on aid for survival. Noone is coming and bulldozing their houses and stealing their land. So it's silly to compare Mexico and Gaza.
Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by Jakes51
Not at all stretch perhaps you are not aware of Armed Jewish resistance fighters during WW2. Not only Jewish there were other armed resistance groups.
[edit on 16-1-2010 by December_Rain]
[edit on 16-1-2010 by December_Rain]
Israel is threatening to kill off a crucial West Bank economic project unless the Palestinian Authority withdraws a request to the International Criminal Court to investigate alleged Israeli crimes during last winter’s Gaza war.
Shalom Kital, an aide to defence minister Ehud Barak, said today that Israel will not release a share of the radio spectrum that has long been sought by the Palestinian Authority to enable the launch of a second mobile telecommunications company unless the PA drops its efforts to put Israeli soldiers and officers in the dock over the Israeli operation.
The UN today put off action on a report criticising Israel's actions during the war in Gaza after Palestinian leaders suddenly dropped their support for a resolution, apparently under heavy US pressure.
The decision marked a surprising reversal in the Palestinian position which, until now, had backed the findings of the report by the South African judge Richard Goldstone.
Goldstone accused both Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas of war crimes during the three-week conflict.
He was particularly critical of Israel, both for its conduct of the war and its continued occupation of Palestinian territory.
The UN human rights council in Geneva had been due to vote today on whether to pass the Goldstone report to the UN security council for further action.
That vote will now be delayed until the council meets next, in March next year.
Israel on Monday warned Palestinians against seeking recognition of an independent state, while dismissing the move as a political manoeuvre amid frustration over the stalled peace process.
Resolution 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979
1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;
2. Strongly deplores the failure of Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 and 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 and the consensus statement by the President of the Security Council on 11 November 1976 2/ and General Assembly resolutions 2253 (ES-V) and 2254 (ES-V) of 4 and 14 July 1967, 32/5 of 28 October 1977 and 33/113 of 18 December 1978;
3. Calls once more upon Israel, as the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, to rescind its previous measures and to desist from taking any action which would result in changing the legal status and geographical nature and materially affecting the demographic composition of the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, and, in particular, not to transfer parts of its own civilian population into the occupied Arab territories;
4. Establishes a Commission consisting of three members of the Security Council, to be appointed by the President of the Council after consultations with the members of the Council, to examine the situation relating to settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem;
5. Requests the Commission to submit its report to the Security Council by 1 July 1979;
6. Requests the Secretary-General to provide the Commission with the necessary facilities to enable it to carry out its mission.
7. Decides to keep the situation in the occupied territories under constant and close scrutiny and to reconvene in July 1979 to review the situation in the light of the findings of the Commission.
452, adopted July 20, 1979
It states that "the policy of Israel in establishing settlements in the occupied Arab territories has no legal validity and constitutes a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949" and "calls upon the Government and people of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction and planning of settlements in the Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem."
465, adopted March 1, 1980
Affirming once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
Deploring the decision of the Government of Israel to officially support Israeli settlement in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967,
Deeply concerned over the practices of the Israeli authorities in implementing that settlement policy in the occupied Arab territories, including Jerusalem, and its consequences for the local Arab and Palestinian population,
Taking into account the need to consider measures for the impartial protection of private and public land and property, and water resources,
Bearing in mind the specific status of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for protection and preservation of the unique spiritual and religious dimension of the Holy Places in the city,
Drawing attention to the grave consequences which the settlement policy is bound to have on any attempt to reach a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East,
Resolution 471 (1980) of 5 June 1980
Reaffirming the applicability of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
Recalling also its resolutions 468 (1980) and 469 (1980),
Reaffirming its resolution 465 (1980), by which the Security Council determined "that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof have no legal validity and that Israel's policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East" and strongly deplored the "continuation and persistence of Israel in pursuing those policies and practices",
Shocked by the assassination attempts against the Mayors of Nablus, Ramallah and Al Bireh,
Deeply concerned that the Jewish settlers in the occupied Arab territories are allowed to carry arms, thus enabling them to perpetrate crimes against the civilian Arab population,
1. Condemns the assassination attempts against the Mayors of Nablus, Ramallah and Al Bireh and calls for the immediate apprehension and prosecution of the perpetrators of these crimes;
2. Expresses deep concern that Israel, as the occupying Power, has failed to provide adequate protection to the civilian population in the occupied territories in conformity with the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War;
3. Calls upon the Government of Israel to provide the victims with adequate compensation for the damages suffered as a result of these crimes;
4. Calls again upon the government of Israel to respect and to comply with the provisions of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, as well as with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council;
5. Calls once again upon all States not to provide Israel with any assistance to be used specifically in connexion with settlements in the occupied territories;
6. Reaffirms the overriding necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to report on the implementation of the present resolution.
Originally posted by December_Rain
Hamas should stop resisting when Israel withdraws to it's original border
and pay compensation of the crimes committed against Palestinian people.