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Naomi Klein Issues Haiti Disaster Capitalism Alert: Stop Them Before They Shock Again

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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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What is the matter with these people. Is there no compassion left in the world? Loan?
Haiti needs all the help we can give to get back on their feet. They are human beings not cattle. This money as well as any other aid should be from the heart, not with a f.....g price tag. These people need our help, not our corporate assholes trying to make a profit from their misery. Let me guess, Haliburton will re-build right?




posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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It can only be good news that one of the big guns like NK has shone a spotlight on Haiti and the inevitable rush for contracts, control and debt creation by the US.

I personally have wanted to raise these issues from the beginning but couldn't face all the hate from US members that I or any truthful poster would receive.

There has been a coup in Haiti and you can bet it will be a very long time before the US military leave the country, if ever.

Taking charge as the US has they not only are able to soften the critical view the world has of US foreign policy but also allow US citizens to feel good about there country for once. The problem is with the US in control they can slow down and hamper recovery efforts just as was done with Katrina.

Why isn't the massive amount of drinking water that the US naval vessels can produce getting through to the people?

Are we watching another Banana Republic form before our eyes?

Haiti is also a great strategic location for US forces. Cuba is completely surrounded now. I'd even go further and without any proof and based only on my own research and views accuse the US military industrial complex and the NWO of actually causing this quake. It couldn't have come at a better time as far as the US and Obama are concerned and such earthquake creating tech has been around at least for decades.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by spookfish]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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This was already posted
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Exactly. One more reason why Naomi Klein is a moron. We are not a democracy we are a constitutional republic just like we are not a capitalistic country in America we are a state corporatist economy.


Actually.... you are none of the above lol



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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BAN topics may have 1 duplicate in a relevant forum.

Please continue the discussion.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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In India, after the "help" from corporate world, especially humanitarian companies like "MONSANTO", one hundred and fifty THOUSAND farmers committed suicide!!!!

video.google.com...#

Corporations like to "help" the "developing" countries, as they don't have that many people who will understand their dirty tricks...but the situation is changing, hopefully. With Internet, information is traveling fast.

Make no mistake: Monsanto is destroying USA and European farmers with equal pace, they don't care who you are, they want total control. Monsanto is the GREATEST POLLUTER IN THE WORLD, yet nobody will ever mention it in the mass media.

Similar thing is happening in Haiti. They get to join us, the happy new poisoned world.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Compassion?

So is feeling bad compassion? Does that actually help the Haitians because you have compassion?

The only reason half the people in this world can give compassion is because they have other people doing the dirty work for them.

I AGREE if the U.S helps these people and institutes a stable U.S run government/economy.

It will benefit everyone (well, most everyone) besides the Haitians with a strong national pride. Country was supposedly already a hell pit.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Haiti — Natural Resources: Bauxite, copper, calcium carbonate, gold, marble, hydropower


They have some minerals but not much in commercially mine able quantities: Haiti mining


Endowed with few commercially valuable natural resources, Haiti maintained only a small mining sector in the late 1980s; mining accounted for less than 1 percent of GDP, and it employed less than 1 percent of the labor force. The country's only bauxite mine, the Miragoâne mine in the southern peninsula, produced an average of 500,000 tons of bauxite a year in the early 1980s; however, in 1982 the declining metal content of the ore, high production costs, and the oversupplied international bauxite market forced the mine to close. Bauxite had at one time been the country's second leading export. Copper also was mined, beginning in the 1960s, but production of the ore was sporadic.


Also, remember, Haiti is on the dry side of the island. The 10,000 ft mountains confine the rain to the DR side. So hydro power is also limited.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by socrateeze
What is the matter with these people. Is there no compassion left in the world? Loan?
Haiti needs all the help we can give to get back on their feet. They are human beings not cattle. This money as well as any other aid should be from the heart, not with a f.....g price tag. These people need our help, not our corporate assholes trying to make a profit from their misery. Let me guess, Haliburton will re-build right?


If I were to get sick and couldnt work would I expect the world to come to my aid? No, in fact it's been over 2 years since I became disabled yet my gov't has done 0 to help me. The only reason I didn't declare bankrupcty was because I had money saved and I have a wife who works.
If the US government won't help me then Haiti can get in frickin line. I'm still waiting for social security to make a decision in my case.
My heart breaks for those poor people down in Haiti, I'm simply making a point about how our government should help it;s own citizens first. All this fuss and feathers over Haiti reeks of hypocrisy.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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I did listen to most of Naomi's concerns and they are to me just plain ungrounded. How could any country, corporation, or entity take advantage of the Haitians? There is no profit to be had anywhere in the country.


Haiti has considerable gold reserves, or there is gold to be found in the country.

I think China will be very interested in this as they are looking to settle the faked gold issue.

I think that unless we fight back, Haiti will not belong to the Haitians anymore.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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I believe that new discoveries have been made recently, there's a thread somewhere about a major goldmining eurasian company with considerable interests in the north of the country.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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We should look to the recent past in order to see the future. Look what the IMF did in Argentina. The track record bears out what you have articulated so well.


Agreed. I'm surprised that more people on the boards here haven't discussed the IMF and World Bank; it's an excellent of a real world conspiracy to bilk the money of developing and impoverished countries in order for the "elite" to continue to exist. Here is some eye opening information about the prestigious track records of these two organizations:

Economic Debacle in Argentina: The IMF Strikes Again


As Argentina entered into the lasting downturn of the period since 1998, the IMF continued, unwavering, in its financial support. The IMF provided "small" loans, such as $3 billion in early 1998 when the country's economic difficulties began to appear. As the crisis deepened, the IMF increased its support, supplying a loan of $13.7 billion and arranging $26 billion more from other sources at the I end of 2000. As conditions worsened further in 2001, the IMF pledged another $8 billion.
However, the IMF coupled its largesse with the condition that the Argentine government maintain its severe monetary policy and continue to tighten its fiscal policy by eliminating its budget deficit. (The IMF considers deficit reduction to be the key to macroeconomic stability and, in turn, the key to economic growth.)
The Argentine government undertook deficit reduction with a vengeance. With the economy in a nosedive and tax revenues plummeting, the only way to balance the budget was to drastically cut government spending. In early July 2001, just before making a major government bond offering, Argentine officials announced budget cuts totaling $1.6 billion (about 3% of the federal budget), which they hoped would reassure investors and allow interest rates to fall. Apparently, however, investors saw the cuts as another sign of worsening crisis, and the bonds could only be sold at high interest rates (14%, as compared to 9% on similar bonds sold just a few weeks before the announcement of budget cuts). By December, the effort to balance the budget required cuts that were far more severe; the government announced a drastic reduction of $9.2 billion in spending, or about 18% of its entire budget.
With these cutbacks, the government both eviscerated social programs and reduced overall demand. In mid-December, the government announced that it would cut the salaries of public employees by 20% and reduce pension payments. At the same time, as the worsening crisis raised fears that Argentina would abandon the currency board system and devalue the peso, the government moved to prevent people from trading their pesos for dollars by limiting bank withdrawals. These steps were the final straws, and in the week before Christmas, all hell broke loose.


Playing Chicken: Ghana vs. the IMF


The IMF made it clear that it was opposed to the higher tariffs on the grounds that it will hurt Ghana's poverty reduction program. Alphecca Muttardy, the IMF's current representative in Gahna claimed that Ghana could only increase the tariffs under a special dispensation provided to successful businesses only. Speaking to Olivia McDonald from the non-governmental organization (NGO) Christian Aid in Ghana, Muttardy said, "we pointed it out to government that this [raising of tariffs] was not a good idea, they reflected on it and we agreed."

"The actions of the government show clearly the desperation with which they seek to please the World Bank and the IMF," says Dominic Ayine, the director of the Center for Public Interest Law (CEPIL) and a lawyer representing the poultry farmers. "The opposition of the Bank and the IMF to increased tariffs is based on pure ideological reasons and it has little or no connection at all to the welfare of Ghanaian poultry farmers or the consuming public," said Ayine.

Moreover, as Ayine argues, the action of the Ghanaian government, under pressure from the IMF, has greatly undermined the tenets of good governance and the rule of law, which are said to be promoted by world financial institutions all over the world. "Overriding a judgment obtained through normal judicial processes does nothing but undercut the confidence with which citizens perceive the judicial process," he adds.


Ghana: IMF, mining and logging


Beginning in 1983, Ghana has been implementing IMF structural adjustment programs focused on export-led growth, which has included measures to devalue the currency and remove various barriers to trade. While this has resulted in significant economic gains, it has also meant severe detrimental consequences for the rainforests and forest-dwelling people of this western African nation. Ghana’s most recent three-year, $239 million loan from the IMF was initiated in 1999, and modified in 2000.


The World Bank Funds Israel-Palestine Wall


The World Bank has meanwhile outlined the framework for a Palestinian Middle East Free Trade Area (MEFTA) policy in their most recent report on Palestine published in December of 2004, “Stagnation or Revival: Israeli Disengagement and Palestinian Economic Prospects.”

Central to World Bank proposals are the construction of massive industrial zones to be financed by the World Bank and other donors and controlled by the Israeli Occupation. Built on Palestinian land around the Wall, these industrial zones are envisaged as forming the basis of export-orientated economic development. Palestinians imprisoned by the Wall and dispossessed of land can be put to work for low wages.


The post-Wall MEFTA vision includes complete control over Palestinian movement[/url]

Here is an excellent short article, a good intro the crimes of the IMF and World Bank:

A Dozen Reasons to Oppose the IMF and World Bank


[edit on 16-1-2010 by Someone336]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by SeeingBlue
This was already posted
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Great point. Hopefully this one will be shut down since it falsely defines the government loan sharking that goes on as capitalism when clearly it is communism. And the biggest international shark of them all is IMF... not capitalist... not even communist either... just plain fascist... its basically a corporation controlled by the elite with vast political powers.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Great, a broke country giving grants to another country in debt.

If people would like to know and hear how the USA lost stability and the powers that be gained complete control in 1913, listen to this audio.

Most people do not understand the whole picture, but this audio lays everything out in about an hour, if you really want to "Deny Ignorance" listen to this, then pass it on to everyone you know.

I have listened and read countless NWO frameworks, but this is by far the best, Why? because every bit it based on fact, well organized information and can be validated.

And Edward Griffin is a great speaker.


Google Video Link


[edit on 16-1-2010 by Realtruth]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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I think one of the things we all should be asking ourselves is the fact that our two most recent out of office former Presidents are asking that everyone make donations to their own personal relief foundation for Haiti for them to administer and control!

Forget the Red Cross or the Salvation Army give your emotional outpouring of dollars to Bill and George for their next "Excellent Adventure"

Party on dudes!



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia


Haiti was not born poor, but rather saddled with debt, first by the French and now by the United States.


I said it and was flamed for it.


Haiti has been suffocated and stunted of any positive economic growth for many years thanks to Western Capitalist economic imperialism's stranglehold on countries and populations it deems inferior. (thread)


People should learn history before they attack someone's claims.

It's disgraceful that a loan is being given out in a time like this. Handing out a loan to a struggling country is just as pathetic as the people who set up the fake charities after the earthquake.

The IMF and World Bank are criminal organizations who fully support a world corporatist dictatorship. Both organizations need to be destroyed before they're allowed to completely destroy us.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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If anyone was not convinced by the source of the IMF fund being a loan


The International Monetary Fund said on Thursday it will increase Haiti's existing loan program by $100 million and disburse the funds quickly to help the government rebuild from the massive earthquake.

www.reuters.com...
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"Haiti's dire poverty has been built on centuries of injustice perpetrated against the country by the rich world. It is time for our part of the world to pay its debt to Haiti," the campaign's director, Nick Dearden, said.

Dearden said it was "completely inappropriate" for international institutions such as the IMF to be making new loans which would only saddle Haiti with more debt.

Haiti received $1.2 billion debt relief from the IMF and World Bank last year, but campaigners say it still has more than $600 million in debt on its books.

"Not only is lending the wrong solution for Haiti, but the IMF's loans come with conditions," the JDC said. "Haiti is still suffering as a result of conditions applied to its economy in the past."

www.reuters.com...


IMF is disgusting to say the least!



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
If the U.S has any control over it I feel like Haiti would become much more prosperous than what it is now, unless of course the U.S has some natural resources they want to dig out then it will become a hell hole.



Do some research on Haiti, particularly on why Aristide was ousted by the US. Hint... He wanted to stop US companies running sweat shops in Haiti.


Originally posted by truthquest
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What ignorance it is to label this attempted crisis exploitation as "capitalism at work" when clearly what they were talking about is disaster communism.


No, it is disaster capitalism all right. Those who benefit from disaster capitalism are privately owned US corporations.



They are talking about government loans to Haiti in exchange for political favors here.


No, they are talking about using this crisis to benefit privately owned US corporations. If the IMF get's involved, Haiti will be paying for this for decades, and all resources will be owned by foreign corporations.



Well, you can't seriously say that a government loan is capitalism when capitalism means government is to stay out of banking and every other sector for that matter.


Capitalism is an economic system, not a political system. Any government loans will be made to benefit privately owned corporations.



I think such a government loan would best be described as disaster communism since government-run banking is a communist enterprise. Only a politician could twist clear-cut communism and spin it off as the polar opposite.


So, You are ideologically conditioned to think that all capitalism is good, always and all the time, and all communism is bad always and all the time. For this reason you argue that instead of calling it what it is, we should call it something else, because you feel that communism is bad, the concept should be refered to as disaster communisminstead. Black is white, wrong is right, good is bad and the ministry of truth has spoken.



The only elements at work in today's society are fascism, socialism, and communism. Capitalism is something that quite frankly may have never even existed...Today we have plenty of disaster socialism, disaster communism, and especially disaster fascism.


Haha, That's like hearing every other zealot out there... Communism has never existed, the USSR was a deformed state capitalist society. Islam is generous and benevolent, those terrorists are not real muslims etc. etc.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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I wouldn't put it past the government criminals and the corporate elite to have used haarp to create this disaster to not only cause a massive loss of life but to also profit from it. We have criminals running our government and wouldn't doubt that for a moment.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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Well these two threads really opened my eyes:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Sunspot 1040 and the Haitian Earthquake

HAARP does stuff with the sun. So I think Haiti was genocide for beach front properties for the US, but why????

hmmm.....


www.abovetopsecret.com...
US air force takes over Haiti airport

Indefinite air space granted. So military presence, a base, beach front for the US militia, after killing over 150,000 families, they want to establish their typical US brothels.

Well, we should look and see if the bases do get built, cause if they do, I doubt that the pole shift is going to happen soon.

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