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Christian Missionaries Desperately Trying to Leave Haiti!

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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
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Why don't you chime in with your b.s. sob story of poor Haiti......poor me.......blah blah blah. It's the big bad NWO, the big bad bankers and the IMF right that are responsible for the deplorable poverty in Haiti right? I mean to think INDIVIDUALS in the 21st century are in no way control of their lives is well.........too simplistic?
Or worse yet you're probably the type of person that will blame all the world's problems on the past. GET OVER IT! MOVE ON! AND GET YOUR # TOGETHER!

How's that for quiet? Don't worry give America another 50 years and we'll be experience what Haiti is.


You don't know how right on you are. I advise you to read The Creature of Jekyll Island before making jokes about blaming the World Bank. You have obviously not read it! It should be required reading in high school.There should be a poll somewhere of people of who has read it or not. We should be holding it up in Tea Party Rallies like Mao's little black book, though Mao's book was stupid, but this is a test of who understands what is going on and who doesn't.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by m khan]




posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:37 AM
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Hey those missionarys are here to convert the barbarians to god. Their not there to endure hardship, or death. Come on, You should know by now that their mission is to convert, not die or get hardships forced upon them.

Im serious here, if your in your 20s and think its your job to convert barbarians to "God" then of course you would go to the easiest place possible.

Oh noes, a earthquake happened.. Why would they stay? Their in their 20s, live in countries where Earthquakes and bad things never happen... Death everywhere, why would they stay?

They are impressionable youth (Why else would they be attempting to convert barbarians), not Earthquake relief squads.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by anotherdad
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Ya but that would be like finding a muslim and/or there money volunteering to help in a disaster zone. Not gunna happen!


So in your opinions Muslims don't do charity work or offer desaster help? Nice little racist you are



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:45 AM
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They probably do quite a fair bit, however it never makes it into the mainstream papers here in Australia...

The only things that do these days are everything about how were anti-indian, and racist vs them. Weird thing is that its the newspapers sprouting this propaganda 100%, not any single other person.

Newspapers unfortunately have incredible persuasive powers towards the common folk.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:45 AM
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QUOTE:

'In a disaster of this scale, if you're able-bodied, you're useful; at a minimum get your butt out there and start clearing roads. I'm pretty sure it takes no special skill to pick up rubble and pile it up off the roads. See a need and fill it. ' UNQUOTE

It's a noble sentiment, but we're not talking about a few chunks of concrete or the odd overturned vehicle. We're talking about collapsed, multi-storey buildings weghing hundreds and even thousands of tons blocking the roads! Unqualified rescue workers in such situations are a total liability: they get in the way and often have to be rescued themselves. Added to the Hiroshima-like devastation is a total collapse of civil law. i.e. it's hard to clear a road when someone's chopping you up with a machete so they can steal your boots.

The US has done totally the right thing by sending troops, machinery and specialists. As for the missionaries, they might have done some good helping people before the quake, but they are far worse than useless now. Hypocrisy has nothing to do with it, although they are probably as scared as any one of us would be in their situation. It's merely common sense that they can do more good by leaving than staying.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:50 AM
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ok for all the guys on here who seem to be having a fit, that christian missionaries are trying to leave haiti in their hou of need heres a little article which deals with haitis recent history, and what its like living there.
I think you will find it interesting that it was considered a failed state close to anarchy, with random murders, cannibalism, torture being practiced by the government. and voodoo being made the state religion.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

full afticle in link, intersting that haiti was considered a hellish place to go too BEFORE the earthquake hit. it must be utter pandemonium there now. not a good place to be when the population is angry at foreigners for not helping as much.
And these foreigners are just more mouths to feed, they quite simply have become a drain on finite resources.

They are better off out, for themselves and the haitians.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by watcher73

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
so the possiblity of helping others takes presedence over self preservation?


Isnt that what xtians say jesus did?

I swear the whole bible goes right over their heads.

Someone needs better aim.



Speaking of better aim...

I just figured that I would remind you that Jesus was a carpenter. You know what carpenters do, right? I wonder why He would do something seemingly so useless and pointless...?

Oh. By the way... bread. Fish. Interesting. How did they harvest these? What did they use?

Posts, nails, hammers, whips, etc. -- I doubt Jesus would have ever died for us without all that about.

Bibles...are made of? You know how people are these days. Always gotta expand upon what you heard. So having these Bibles is real handy when you don't think the story sounds too accurate coming from a really good speaker.

Did Jesus wear clothes? Oh my! I wonder how those were made. What did they use to make clothes, watcher?

WHO CREATED THE EARTH?! WHO CREATED ALL THINGS?!

So, we mold things to the way we like them. The entire world has gotten completely out of hand with material possessions - this is a fact.

I agree that there aren't that many real Christians out there. I agree that it's pathetic how hypocritical we can be.

However, allow me to remind you that you are the one who is showing your ultimate foolishness. You've done well in an attempt to make everyone else look the fool, but here is why you've only proven your own foolishness.

Jesus will be back. During judgment, how do you suggest to defend yourself against such an accusation : "You claim to know my Word SO WELL, better than anyone. So, why haven't you obeyed? You accused many of hypocrisy, but I only find it in you."

As for missionaries fleeing from Haiti, I personally would stay there. But, I do not know their situations. I know that I am not getting on a plane to GO to Haiti. I am here to take care of my family.

Overpopulation is NOT the problem in Haiti. A lack of care is the problem. The Haitians themselves, if they choose to be violent and without creativity, that is on them. If they choose not to be cultivators or creators, that is on them. If they choose not to find a way to make life easier or better for themselves, then what can we do? In large part, it is due to malinformation, poor education, and overbearing government. But, if people CARED enough, they could overcome these obstacles and see the truth for what it is. God reveals the truth of situations to me that my incredibly wonderful brain believes to have solved. A lot of the time I learn pretty quickly that my ability to figure things out, no matter how extraordinary, is still no match for the wisdom of our Father. But at the very least I CARE TO LEARN. I CARE TO CREATE/MOLD. Maybe they aren't taught to care, but not all of us are.

Just to let you know watcher, I am much more intelligent than you are. I think you should feel more humble when referring to our Father and His Son, our Lord, our brother in Spirit. You, knowing the Bible so well, should know that He knows everything you're thinking, saying, and doing right now. E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. Enjoy yourself.

Edited "here" to "there", for it was not here, but there. Rarely, oh, so rarely do we find a time when something is truly not here, but there.

[edit on 1/16/2010 by TarzanBeta]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:53 AM
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Anyway regardless off what you said. I am quite sure the Haiti's do not want the missionaries there. They have practically been converted to the Christian God, and suddenly a HUGE earth quake happens.

Huge Religious ferver would ensure, probably blaming the fact they went from their previous god(s) and suddenly their original is taking vengeance!!!?



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:55 AM
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Well I can admit I would be the first to try to get my sorry ass out of there. But there again, I don't call myself a christian missionary.
I used to work in Uganda. There were missionaries there too - mostly American I have to say. Frankly they were a bit of a joke amongst the general expat community.
I would like to help but I have no special skills. But if I was already there, sorry but if I was there as a representative of my faith, I would like to think my instinct for self preservation would be would be overcome by me trying to help, even if it was just down to tearing at rubble with my bare hands or comforting the wounded and the bereaved.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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reply to post by factbeforefiction
 


An excellent OP ... the fact is, this is true in many religions/belief systems (certainly true when the New-Age movement decided Paganism was 'trendy').

I know exactly what you mean and unfortunately it is these 'wannabe's who get the rest tarred with the same brush.

You do a good thing to stand-up and speak-out my friend. One voice can help the more intelligent to realize the truth in what you say

Woody



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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Actually all I heard was about Christian Missionaries, not pagans, wiccans, athiests and etc.. Not sure what your hearing, but it was specifically talking about Christian Missionaries.

But its awesome to dream, and place the blame on the "Enemies of God".



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:08 AM
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Are you saying a Pagan cannot have an opinion about Christian affairs ... hell the Christians have had plenty of opinions about Pagans for centuries


Me thinks you missed the entire point of my post ... but inadvertantly you do back-up the point I was making.

Thank-you

Woody



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:10 AM
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Although I'm not a Christian I respect you for your stand against these fake wannabe Christians, and I completely understand where you are coming from. You wouldn't expect this from a true Christian, a true Christian would help his/her fellow men in the time of need.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

ooz



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
Nah I think if you don't have any special rescue skill or medical knowledge then being there is more a hindrance than a help. Not to mention using precious resources on people who are just marginally helpful.


Ridiculous. If you can lift a rock, debris or a body then you're of use to these people. If resources are so thin that the 150 missionaries are going to impede the availability of resources then everybody's screwed anyway and the departure or non-departure of of 150 persons won't make a difference except, of course, to the 150 persons departing.

It's hypocrisy. Sure some of them might have coincidental extenuating circumstances but not all of them.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by EMPIRE
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Doesn't the bible speak about people like this?


I've no doubt if a 40 foot Sponge Bob was found buried in Antarctica someone would find a bible verse referring to it.


He's there alright:

Matthew 27:48
Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink.

Mark 15:36
One man ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. "Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to take him down," he said.

John 19:29
A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:27 AM
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It is so easy to bash Christians these days, but it is called racism if you say that about another religion.

Anyway what is a missionary? What is the difference between a the red cross and a missionary?

There are different types of Missionaries I gather, some are of faith some are of charity. Some are of different Christian beliefs, don't ask a Johova Witness to give blood for the victims, they would run off.

Which ones are these that want to leave Haiti? Why do they, there must be more reasons than just Christian's want to leave Haiti. Are they injured, have their friends been killed or what?

[edit on 16-1-2010 by The time lord]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Orphanage volunteers struggle to leave Haiti
www.cnn.com...



Orphanage volunteers struggle to leave HaitiBy Stan Wilson, CNN
January 15, 2010 10:21 p.m. EST

The Maison De Lumiere Orphanage was serving as a makeshift triage center.
Situation turns chaotic for 11 American volunteers at Maison De Lumiere Orphanage
Shortages of food, water spark anger in people volunteers had been trying to help
Volunteers are from Mission Viejo Christian Church in California

Mission Viejo, California (CNN) -- When Marty Kuebicki received a text message that his wife, Aahmese, and two teenage daughters, Olivia and Alexis, were alive in Haiti, he was overwhelmed with relief.

"I felt like an enormous burden had been placed off me, but at the same time I knew that they were OK. I always felt they made it," he said. Groups of church members have been volunteering at an orphanage for nearly six years, since church members Bill Manassero, his wife Suzette, and Jim Duggan opened the center.

But by Friday there was chaos at the Maison De Lumiere Orphanage in Haiti as 11 American missionary volunteers were trying to find a way to leave after severe shortages of food, water and medicine sparked anger in people they had been trying to help.

"People are becoming hostile at the missionary workers and we now find ourselves desperately trying to get them out," said Mike Maiolo, senior pastor of the volunteers' home church in Mission Viejo. He said he had received urgent messages from Haiti that everyone wanted to leave.

The Kuebickis and the others from Mission Viejo Christian Church arrived in Port-Au-Prince a week ago to help assist nearly 100 abused and abandoned children at the orphanage.

The facility sustained heavy damage in the earthquake but no one was killed, he said.

Within hours of the quake, the volunteers became de facto nursing assistants after word spread that Maison De Lumiere was serving as a makeshift triage center.

"Lots of doctors and nurses have been coming by the facility because word's gotten out, so there's all these people being pulled out of rubble and they're assisting and attending to the injured as best as they can," Marty Kuebicki said.

Judy Beltis left her husband, six daughters and five grandchildren in California when she came to Haiti on January 8. Moments after the walls and shelves around her collapsed, she found herself attending the injured and working to save lives, said her husband, Paul.

"This is a mom who couldn't put a Band-Aid on her kids when they had a cut finger because she was so squeamish, and now she's dealing with whatever needs to be done," he said.

On Thursday, the family was assured that Judy Beltis was safe and protected. "I'm going to urge her at some point to come back and get a little rest and restoration, but I know she'll want to head right back," said daughter Jaime.

But that was before Maiolo received the urgent messages late Thursday.

He said the situation had deteriorated to the extent that no one felt safe going outside the compound. Contact with his missionary members in Haiti has been limited to occasional text messages, Internet streaming and e-mail, he said, and his volunteers have not been able to reach U.S. State Department officials.

"The world around us is in such need when something like this happens and we've got to be there for them, but at the same time, there must be a quick way to get them out when there is nothing more to give," Maiolo said.

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Maybe for this particular group their lives are at risk, yes it would be heroic if they died for their work but why when you can live and maybe help others in your lifetime when situations like this are not as bad, people have families too you have to be logical aswell?



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:41 AM
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All Christian missionaries cannot be tarred with the same brush. But nowadays becoming a missionary or a member of a NGO (Non Government Organization) is a get-rich-quick scheme. Millions of dollars are distributed to these so called missionaries and NGOs - all unaccounted for! And all tax free. There is no transparency on how the funds are being managed/spent.

This has nothing to do with altruism. It's all a commercial money making scam of horrendous proportions.

In other words these so called missionaries and NGOs are there only for the freebies - free 5 star accommodation, 5 star meals, free transport and free sightseeing. And a lot of free dollars to have those binges!

So do you for a moment think that they are concerned about helping in search and rescue operations and rehabilitation of the sick and injured? Their priority would be to get their asses out of there pronto.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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In observing CNN, my only source of information on what's going on, the only people trying to leave were elderly, and I don't remember if it was mentioned that they were Christians. It was obvious they were not handling the trauma well at all. So what are kids from Canada going to do to help? Seriously? I can't imagine children looking through rubble for other children. There are plenty of adult Haitians that can do that for themselves, they just need food, water and medical support, not random people.

From a resource point of view, if you have no purpose there, you are better off leaving rather than being a burden on meager resources being flown in.

The way the UN is doing things is not helping much, from observation. Maybe they should air drop enough food and water that people won't have to fight over it. Handing stuff out the back of a truck and then running off when a crowd shows up is not helping much. UN medical personnel need to have UN guards assigned to them so they don't cut and run on any little rumor.

There are enough Haitians there to handle things, they just need emergency supplies, medical personnel until they start rebuilding.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by A52FWY]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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i love it!! mainly because of the way they have survived for years with there intimidation through fear and force there ability to adapt to new ways of thinking i thought they didnt believe in evolution i thought the earth was supposed to be the center of the universe i thought that any one who did not believe in god was seduced by demons and they should be tortured until recognition of god or death i mean come on all it is..is abunch of stories and beliefs from all other religions formed into one that way it looks like there right and everyone else only partially got it right so now to be fully correct you must conform to christianity hell the egyptians had a story of jesus only different name and there not the only ones but you talk to a christian and thats crazy to think they stole him from other religions! it's a dieing religion or it should be especially the way they have done other cultures andmasses of people over the years NATIVE AMERICANS first off! its a wonder them missionaries over there aint talking about them people being posessed by demons and the devil and how they need to abandon everything they believe in because god and jesus are the answer and tellin them if they dont conform there gonna burn in an eternal flame...makes me sick to think people actually treated people like that!!! they think there religion is right and all others is wrong but yet look at all the lives they took and all the mistreatment of people as a whole i dont think any other religion has caused more hell on this earth on its own people and others then christianity and yet there the ones to follow ha! ha! ha! ha!


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