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Christian Missionaries Desperately Trying to Leave Haiti!

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posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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First of all, most of the missionaries are white.

Even when they are black the ones coming from the USA have mixed differently since the Haitians were moved to that island.

And even if that wasn't so, better health care and nutrition lead to physiological differences. Even twins growing up in such disparate circumstances would look different.

Prosperity and health and food and safety impact people's development.

Let me give you an example.

People in Japan are getting bigger. Children are towering over their parents, and are gigantic compared to their grandparents. The new generation is often not even fitting the previously constructed buildings - doorways are too small for them.

Prosperity on a cultural level, better proteins, more health care is literally changing the body of the body politic of Japan.

Prosperity makes people look different. You literally stand out.


Originally posted by factbeforefiction

Originally posted by Hemisphere

Originally posted by Aeons
There is a reason why aid workers go into these areas as teams.

The danger to them in REGULAR DAY life is extreme. The danger to them in these situations is enormous.

Being that the missionaries and aid workers will often look different than the local populace - even the black ones - and that those differences are directly associated to prosperity....these people are in more danger than just about anyone else. They are visual symbols upon which to take out people's anger and strife at what they perceive to be a group who is denying them something they deserve.

While I have no particular love of missionaries, I do not cast judgment on people for this.


These are excellent observations. Looking different in this situation also makes these aid workers ripe for kidnappings. We live in a world that is often more complex than the news reports would have us believe.


What do you mean by looking different? Are you trying to suggest that the aid workers somehow look different than the native Haitians? Exactly what do you mean by that?




posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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Charity usually applies to those who are brothers in faith.

Even when it doesn't, I believe that the The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam would explain this.

Article 17, section b) of The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam


Everyone shall have the right to medical and social care, and to all public amenities provided by society and the State within the limits of their available resources.




Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by JasonT
 

Islamic governments are absent in the response to Haiti.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
First of all, most of the missionaries are white.


Thanks for that Aeons. Is anybody reading this thread thinking this is not the case? This person is grasping at straws. Who knows what his game is? I can imagine he will now combat this by saying something akin to "most Haitians are also white". His responses are erratic and highly combative. He was attempting to paint me into a corner. I'm not going there.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Charity usually applies to those who are brothers in faith.

Even when it doesn't, I believe that the The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam would explain this.

Article 17, section b) of The Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam


Everyone shall have the right to medical and social care, and to all public amenities provided by society and the State within the limits of their available resources.




Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by JasonT
 

Islamic governments are absent in the response to Haiti.

Islamic governments are absent in the response to Haiti.
Just because they say they will provide they have proven otherwise... maybe they mean they will provide to their own... only, eh?



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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To be honest, I grew up around a lot of so called "christians." they preach and preach the word of god but never live up to it themselves. Now I know that not all Christians are like that but I will say that about 95% or so that I've come across in my life have been hypocrites. I'd love to one day actually come across a real christian.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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Can't lump hypocracy with Christians - most humans are Hypocritical.

The day i meet a non-hypocrite will be the second coming of christ.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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double clicked "reply" my baaaad!

xD

[edit on 19-1-2010 by FeralMonkeyMagic]



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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Now Haiti has had a 6.1 earthquake.

I bet the missionaries are glad they got out of there!



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 04:21 AM
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I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if I happen to be redundant

My pastor was in Haiti when the earthquake struck. His family was with him, as well as many other missionaries from his group. Though I can understand the initial shock of hearing that Christian missionaries are leaving Haiti shortly after an earthquake, there are often many reasons why.

My pastor was part of a group building a church and dormitories for Haitian ministers. Their area was ill equipped for disasters such as the earthquake that occurred. Not only that, but the fear of aftershocks made is so that not leaving Haiti under such circumstances overwhelmed the desire to stay and help for a long period of time. Getting out safely with your family, while helping as many people as you can along the way, to me, is more important than ignoring your family's needs and possibly committing suicide.

Our church is also taking collection for the people in Haiti, and we are being encouraged to donate to the Red Cross (though I'm choosing not to donate to Yele!, but that is a different story entirely). I don't think my pastor made the wrong decision, but then again, one story doesn't exactly make up for those who did leave the country with selfish intent.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by watcher73
Sorry OP but all christians are hypocrites. No exceptions.

Since you are posting I can assume you have a computer?

Jesus said to give up/sell everything.

Have you? No?

Hypocrite.

That one example probably covers 99% of you. But I have thousands more.


I SEE YOU'VE SOLD YOUR SOUL. YOU MUST FEEL REAL GOOD. I pity you. I really do. You are pathetic.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by dccarino

Originally posted by watcher73
Sorry OP but all christians are hypocrites. No exceptions.

Since you are posting I can assume you have a computer?

Jesus said to give up/sell everything.

Have you? No?

Hypocrite.

That one example probably covers 99% of you. But I have thousands more.


I SEE YOU'VE SOLD YOUR SOUL. YOU MUST FEEL REAL GOOD. I pity you. I really do. You are pathetic.


Well, that's not very nice. Calling someone pathetic because they've overgeneralized something from the bible just isn't right. Correct someone, don't insult someone.

Not selling your possessions doesn't make you a hypocrite. It makes you... comfortable. The story you're referring to (If I remember correctly), is when Jesus is speaking to a very wealthy man who wanted to get into heaven. He told the man to sell his possessions and to give any continuing profit to the poor. He told him to live as a normal man. He told a wealthy man to do so (and actually, the wealthy man walked away. He loved his 'things' too much to let them all go). Not a middle-class individual. Christians are supposed to tithe 10% of their earnings to the church, not live in poverty.

Having items of comfort doesn't make Christians hypocrites, as long as they allow themselves to give to the church and help those they can.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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THREAD NOTICE:

Please get back on topic and do not attack other members.

Thank You.



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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Accidental duplicate

[edit on 21-1-2010 by CharlesMartel]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by factbeforefiction
When I saw this on the news, several times, it made me sick. Approximately 150 Christian Missionaries stranded at the airport with passports in hand trying to get out of Haiti.

As a Christian myself things like this really piss me off. I'm talking about posers, pretend Christian wannabees going on exotic vacations and calling it mission work, rather than helping the poor within ten miles of any church right here in the states. And then when an Earthquake actually hits, while they're right there, instead of actually doing ministerial work delivered to their doorstep by God himself - these pretend Christian wannabees turn tale and run.

Like I said, as a Christian this makes me sick and all I can say is to promise the non-Christian people out there that most Christians are not all hypocritical pretend pat me on the back for the good that I say I do frauds like these people.

I can see if someone needs to get children out of harms way to have one person take them back, but the others in the group could stay.

Of note these fake Christians should be contrasted against the real Christians like the Salvation Army and others who are mobilizing with all types of aid and have been from the beginning. Like I said, don't let the ones who run away and talk the talk cast doubt on the ones who stay and walk the walk.

There are hypocrites in every group but nobody is more offended by it then the ones in the group who are true.


[edit on 15-1-2010 by factbeforefiction]

Context matters and makes a difference between outrage and common sense.

In all the stories I have seen, the "missionaries" who were leaving were "short-term missionaries" who paid their own way (or raised the money for the trip from their family, friends and local church) and only planned on staying a couple of weeks at most. If I was a permanent resident missionary, I would send all the short-term missionaries home in a disaster, unless they had special skills need to help cope with the disaster, so they would not be a drain on limited resources.

I would be surprised to see any permanent resident missionaries leaving, unless it was on a stretcher or to accompany a family member being evacuated for medical treatment.

[edit on 21-1-2010 by CharlesMartel]



posted on Jan, 21 2010 @ 09:09 PM
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People should focus less on these people, and more on the people that need help right now.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy88
To be honest, I grew up around a lot of so called humans they preach and preach about compassion but never live up to it themselves. Now I know that not all humans are like that but I will say that about 95% or so that I've come across in my life have been hypocrites. I'd love to one day actually come across a real decent human being.


Fixt.


I've traveled the world in "relief" efforts and 85% of the people working in the field are Christians. Maybe it's just your neighborhood.



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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Thanks A Fortiori.

I tried explaining that a few pages back but most do not want to hear that it is not but people being people.
Being human is one of the greatest gifts we have but also one of the greatest curses due to our nature.

Raist



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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Here is my prediction.

Three months after the celebrities forget about Haiti it will be back to the same old Christian missionaries to go there and rebuild. Most of the large contracts from world governments will go to rebuilding the types of things that will make bankers money. Actual Haitians will not be helped at all by this global relief effort.

How do I know? History repeats itself.

Look at who is actually in Darfur and Niger. It aint George Clooney. He just makes the documentaries. It's CRS, World Vision, and other predominantly Christian organizations. So talk about the Christians "fleeing" all you want--they were residents by the time the earthquake hit and were just as rattled as anyone else. They will come back, however, once the dust settles. They always do.

The people who are pointing fingers at them are doing it from the comfort of their own living room and NOT from Port Au Prince so I'm less inclined to put any weight to their opinion. When a friend has to post from them because they're sorting through rubble in Haiti...then I'll be impressed. Until that time... **shrugs**



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 07:12 AM
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Excellent post as normal. I could not agree more. Even when it came to 9/11 it only took about two weeks tops before the celebrities and the “special” people like them became none existent. All the while it was left to the average Joe to finish the job. In fact it was the average Joe who was the only one to get his hands dirty anyway.

The fact that these people happened to be Christian made it all the more tasty to those who feed on trying to tear them down. Christian or not they are still people and last I checked every person makes mistakes and can become fearful. Just because they are Christian does not mean we are or should be expected to be perfect. I’ll say it again anyone who claims they are Christian and claims they are perfect and free of sin is either sadly fooled or outright lying.


Raist



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