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Originally posted by Mykahel
reply to post by JahKinG SouLJaH
So the true messenger of God has no stomach to fill? Even if I am grossly misunderstanding your statement, it doesn't make any sense at all. Many of the Old Testament Prophets required sustenance from the people they spoke to. Paul had a job where he earned money outside of his preaching, trying to set an example to the lay people not to be lazy as well as helping them get started as the church was small and poor. God is not impractical. God made us to need certain things, why would His servant need them any less?
Am I going to demand from somebody that they pay me simply because I shared the Gospel with them? No, that's just stupid really. But if a body of believers is expecting me tend to their needs upwards of 50 hours a week, I would have to be paid in order to live. I don't share the word expecting to be paid back later, my reward will be in Heaven. This I know.
[edit on 16-1-2010 by Mykahel]
Originally posted by jeanne75018
The missionaries from anglo-saxon countries are a big problem in many countries. It's a good thing they left Haiti.
Originally posted by I.C. Weiner
props to the OP, you're right on....
personal story: in the middle of an ice storm here a LONG time ago, my uncle and his christian buddies decided it would be a good idea to go to mexico and build a BAPTIST church in one of the most impoverished areas. i always wondered why they didn't use the money and materials to improve those peoples situation instead of trying to impose their religion on them....good christians, i tell ya....
Originally posted by voodmon
Sorry people when i see clinton and the bush on either side of barrack nussein obamma, i begin to wonder, as in , why would a usa aircraft carrier be right off the coast ready to go into Haiti??? the Usa has interfered in this country many times before, so now they wish to make them sevles out to being the good guys, but we know, hopefully that Cuba offered help, as did veneuela and hugos russian crew this is the reason the us crew is in there and this is if they did not create it in the first placew with the haarp aas they did the the china thing, katrina and Ike.my 3 cents
Originally posted by factbeforefiction
When I saw this on the news, several times, it made me sick. Approximately 150 Christian Missionaries stranded at the airport with passports in hand trying to get out of Haiti.
As a Christian myself things like this really piss me off. I'm talking about posers, pretend Christian wannabees going on exotic vacations and calling it mission work, rather than helping the poor within ten miles of any church right here in the states. And then when an Earthquake actually hits, while they're right there, instead of actually doing ministerial work delivered to their doorstep by God himself - these pretend Christian wannabees turn tale and run.
Like I said, as a Christian this makes me sick and all I can say is to promise the non-Christian people out there that most Christians are not all hypocritical pretend pat me on the back for the good that I say I do frauds like these people.
I can see if someone needs to get children out of harms way to have one person take them back, but the others in the group could stay.
Of note these fake Christians should be contrasted against the real Christians like the Salvation Army and others who are mobilizing with all types of aid and have been from the beginning. Like I said, don't let the ones who run away and talk the talk cast doubt on the ones who stay and walk the walk.
There are hypocrites in every group but nobody is more offended by it then the ones in the group who are true.
As a Christian myself things like this really piss me off. - factbeforefiction
And then when an Earthquake actually hits, while they're right there, instead of actually doing ministerial work delivered to their doorstep by God himself - these pretend Christian wannabees turn tale and run. - factbeforefiction
Originally posted by watcher73
So the question, why are xtians running from Haiti?
A couple theories have been proposed:
They are all hypocrites.
They arent there to help, but to make converts.
For evidence we have the ops original post being a hypocrite and several others afterwards also. We have a few xtians who have cut and run from this thread, let alone any real hardship.
Nothing has been said in opposition to the convert statement. I think we can all agree that its universally true of all religions.
So to summarize, the missionaries are leaving Haiti because its in their nature to run and they werent really there to help anyone but themselves.
Originally posted by daggyz
Before judging, we have to establish their age, maturity and if they were there as stand alone missionaries or on training. Do they have the resources. It is safe now etc etc.
Generally your comments are right, many run when they should stay. Many are religious more than Kingdom minded. 'Christian' is not a biblical term anyway and it certainly means nothing these days. Kingdom minded should be the terminology used.
My question is, what are YOU doing in the area you live for the poor and down and out. Are you out there helping. At least these people actually left home to go somewhere. What have you left?
Did you give up your job to help the homeless?
Did you spend 50% of your wages on those that need it?
Did you spend 5%????
Now when you can answer those questions for us, we can accept your critisizm of those leaving Haiti as appropriate as I suspect there's a huge plank in your mouth.
I mean is it me or what? There seems to be some kind of mutant gene in chicks that...
A: Have to complain, and...
B: Will only rag on a guy they think will not leave them - like their dad or some loser boyfriend or husband. Otherwise they could never get away with it.
Ohhhh... Guess I discovered THAT secret, aye ladies. - factbeforefiction
This chick I'm with - she's pushing 40 - and all of a sudden after a great night of food and fun, she turns on a dime and start's whining about how she hasn't talked to her "Girls" in 15 years. I'm like baby, nobody stays in contact with the people they went to high school with, and she's like "no, it's all your fault." I've only even known the girl for a few years... WTF?
And then she's going on about how there is nobody she would rather be with in any way than her girls. So I say in any way, what do you mean by that? And the she says "Oh, yes I'm a lesbian, a lesbian." And I'm like, baby I didn't say that, but is that what you mean?
Blah blah blah - drunk fookin beech. Why can't they just say no when you ask them straight up? Instead they will say the exact opposite... Oh yes, I'm a lesbian...
Am I nut's or is this chick like total psycho? - factbeforefiction
At virtually any given time you can find a thread deliberately established for the soul purpose of mocking the religious beliefs of some group of people. Though it is clear to see that many of these threads are created for the purpose of trolling, these Trolls who promote this form of intolerance are truly violating not only the terms of ATS but the very spirit of ATS.
Legitimate questions about the religious beliefs of others are posed in a respectful tone , not in a tone of mockery or accusation accompanied by words such as hypocrite, liar, warmonger, or any other defamation designed specifically to invoke negative connotation.
Any moderator that allows this type of trolling and intolerance should be removed from their position as moderator, as this form of intolerance is no less abusive, offensive, and vicious than any other type of assault. I sincerely hope that the members and staff of ATS will in the interest of harmony and cooperation put and end to this injustice immediately. - factbeforefiction
You are the troll. Trolling for stars and flags. You had the nerve with your first thread to attack the moderators? Quite a pair for a Christian! The reason there is little religious tolerance on ATS is due to hypocritical posters. Remind you of anyone? It is in fact you who is "mocking the religious beliefs" of Christians with this thread. Do you have something against Christians? What's your game? Other than trolling for stars and flags? You can't have it both ways. You have called out missionaries, women and even the moderators on this board. I am calling you out. In my opinion you should cut your losses and move on. More lies will not help.