reply to post by whatukno
Whatyouknow, youknowwhat? I have seen these types of threads go from a reckless and even mindless call for bloody revolution to a thoughtful and very
considered treatise on revolutionary strategies, and no matter how hard those who try to entreat other members to join in this consideration, to
carefully plan a revolution that could be implemented through peaceful means, you continue...nay insist on framing revolution as change brought about
by violence. This is not how the word is defined, however, and I know full well you are smart enough to know better.
So, when you preface your post with words that all ready accuse those you oppose as impulsively labeling you a troll, I can't help but wonder that if
in your heart, this is how you feel about yourself. Why do you continually insist on defining revolution as a violent overthrow of government?
Why do you willingly misrepresent facts, such as lumping the Salem witch trials in with the history of the United States? Should I and other members
believe that you actually believe that atrocity took place after 1776, or is your own knowledge of that historical time frame gleaned from histrionic
plays such as Arthur Miller's The Crucible? Are your politics so left leaning that since the HUAC hearings have been inextricably linked to the
Salem witch trials you now assume those witch trials are also a part of U.S. history?
You castigate these advocates of revolution for not pulling together and forming a political party apparently ignoring the fact that many of these
advocates are fed up with political parties. You lecture them for not wanting to affect change through Constitutional means and allow for a system to
work peacefully, ignoring the fact that no where in that Constitution are political parties mandated and speaking to these parties as if they are
somehow wholly necessary to the political process.
Continually, through out any given post of yours, you use the word violence or violently or violent in order to characterize too many people who are
doing there level best to affect change in the very way you claim they aren't. You claim they are not carefully planning their strategies, and
carefully considering the consequences of their actions, but in terms of the O.P. and his several threads of this nature, nothing could be further
from the truth. Endisnighe has endeavored to offer ideas, ask for feedback, read that feedback and in many instances changed his own positions based
on that feedback, while you remain steadfast in your insistence that those who call for revolution are nothing more than would be murderer's.
You admonish these revolutionaries for refusing to use the channels set up by our Founding Fathers, and then only a few paragraphs later admonish the
Founding Fathers for not immediately abolishing slavery and instead setting up channels in which that might happen.
You constantly speak of voting as if it were the only way for people to reign in an out of control government, and indeed, you refer to voting as a
right, when such a thing is just not true. Voting is not a right, it is merely a privilege granted by government, as opposed to your natural right to
voice your opinions that you so clearly asserted at the beginning of your last post.
You rely upon trump cards such as "white male land owners" to dismiss the very same measures of government you earlier accused revolutionaries as
dismissing. You hail voting as the surest way to affect change, ignoring that most change in the U.S. happened not because of voting but because of
strong convictions and even fiercer actions.
You attempt to shame revolutionaries by cavalierly throwing out the tired "white male land owners" schtik, while ignoring the profound effect that
historical figures such as Frederick Douglass had on this nation. You endeavor to shame these revolutionaries for wanting to return to a time like
1776 relying upon the institution of slavery to shame them with, ignoring your own admonishment of violence and the fact that, in the end, it was
violence that finally brought slavery to an end.
You trod out women as victims, declaring them property in a time when their contributions to the Revolution of 1776 were just as profound as those
"white males" you hope to shame members with. You willingly ignore the fact that several black males willingly fought in that revolution in order
to secure their own freedom and you rely upon the language of deceit and excluded middles in order to place yourself upon a pedestal of moral
You quote these revolutionaries not with their own words but with ones you've invented based upon your own myopic opinions, only qualifying these
devices of invented quotes with phrases such as "or something like that". You claim these modern revolutionaries would arbitrarily change the Bill
of Rights, pretending your own arbitrary nature is preferable.
You attempt to hold yourself as erudite and more considered only because you would ask how these revolutionaries would go about developing a currency
backed by wealth, insisting it is only those with out gold, commodities or land to back that wealth that want this revolution, but you offer no data
to back up such an assumption. You declare that these revolutionaries currency would be useless ignoring that the greenbacks used today are useless.
While I in no way advocate any national centralized bank as a method to handle the U.S. currency, it is bemusing that you castigate those who do, by
declaring these central for profit banks as not being authorized by the Constitution, ignoring or ignorant to the fact that the First National Bank of
the United States, The Second National Bank of the United States and indeed the Federal Reserve, are all central for profit banks, also not authorized
by the Constitution.
You hold up socialist ideals such as minimum wage laws and administrative agencies such as OSHA as government good, ignoring the damage these programs
have done. I will not call you a troll and will step in and defend you vigorously against any member who would capriciously label you so, but I will
not remain silent and pretend that your sanctimonious preaching offers any sound solutions.
You can scream vote, vote, rock the vote, all you want, in the end, voting has its place, but is not the most effective way to affect change, and
while I stand with you as I have, to advocate a more peaceful method of revolution, I will not cower from the word revolution just because you have
labeled such a word as advocacy of violence.