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A little discussion about Revolution and the Declaration of Independance

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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by av8r007
reply to post by Polynomial C
 


You are god damn right I buy it. You must be out of your mind. If you worship socialism so much I am sure the People's Republic of Korea has a nice big bowl of oppression warmed up for you to gobble down. I hope you really enjoy it.


N.Korea is a tyranny .. and i hate their gov't as much as you do .. and in my opinion closer to Stalism than Socialism ..
Also .. i was talking about Eruo-Socialism ..

Maybe i was a little extreme with my initial comments .. but i truly believe the constitution is flawed ...
We live in the year 2010 .. the American constitution was written for the 18th century .. there needs to be an upgrade, we cannot worship laws 200+ years old .. that is insane .. where is the progression when we keep obeying the past ???



[edit on 16-1-2010 by Polynomial C]




posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C

Maybe i was a little extreme with my initial comments .. but i truly believe the constitution is flawed ...
We live in the year 2010 .. the American constitution was written for the 18th century .. there needs to be an upgrade, we cannot worship laws 200+ years old .. that is insane .. where is the progression when we keep obeying the past ???



So in short what would you update???

Progression isnt always good...



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by BingeBob
You have to take into account that our supreme masters have infiltrated every aspect of information that comes into our heads.

If you would get a pretty good uprising going to "torch and pitchfork" the whitehouse lawn, they could pretty much use flamethrowers on you and half the country would say that you were a group of terrorists and desereved to be set alight... the other half just wouldnt care.


Think about what you would be asking people to do. The people suckling at the teat of the government would be giving up their livelyhood when that welfare check stops coming in. The hardworking blue collar people would be leaving their families and homes for what? Taking on the most powerful entity the world has ever seen?

You would need WHOLE states already rearing to go before you could even try to seriously petition the feds.


Your statement shows that thier MSM message is getting across.
It is not impossible.
There will be no mass bombing of those whom stand up.
You do not give them the time to do so to begin with.
Flame throwers? I don't think so. Napalm maybe, but flame throws are so 60's......



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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reply to post by Damian-007
 
Perhaps you will go off and read several threads, grab your games and play them, or stare mindlessly at the boob tube. Many of us on ATS are politically active. We see the wrongs that are being perpetrated by the government(not our government) and we are politically active. We are trying to get rid of the scoundrels. We are trying to find good men and women like Dr. Paul, who truly want to serve.
We are working to re-instate the constitution to serve as what it was intended to be, the law of the land. We are working to limit the federal government and restore states rights.
It is time to demand of the government a redress of grievences.
Play your games, watch tv, and live your near dead zombie existence. The rest of us will stand, shoulder to shoulder, and we will, in time, take this country back!



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by BingeBob

Originally posted by Polynomial C

Maybe i was a little extreme with my initial comments .. but i truly believe the constitution is flawed ...
We live in the year 2010 .. the American constitution was written for the 18th century .. there needs to be an upgrade, we cannot worship laws 200+ years old .. that is insane .. where is the progression when we keep obeying the past ???



So in short what would you update???

Progression isnt always good...



You got that right!
Progression is what got us the IRS, The Federal Reserve, Social this, Social that. That is the problems of what we have today. They are pushing in a Progressive path.
What was wrote 230 years ago, is still better than anything anyone can or has come up with. Period!

Hell even scientist cannot figure out what people did a few thousand years ago. The Mayans, the egyptions, etc so forth and so on.
Dumbing down is what Progressive got you.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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You say "Mass bombings" like they would ever need more than 1...

The masses are weak...Show me proof of otherwise

My lack of faith is not in the message you preach it is in the weakness of our nation and their willingness to "work it out civilly".

Our nation is too comfortable thats why i say the public services need to be cut off before anyone can be roused...When people are comfortable they are like warm putty for the govt. When they are uncomfortable they have a half a chance.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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reply to post by endisnighe
 


Sounds good.


Persevere!



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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reply to post by BingeBob
 


Have you heard what is going on in Detroit? 50% unemployment. That is just one city of over 5 million people.

What is Washington doing about it?

Raises for all government workers
Bankers getting trillions
Health care tax-EXCEPT FOR GOV OFFICIALS AND LABOR UNIONS
etc
etc
etc


If you do not think people are pissed, you need to open those eyes further. My brother has been working at the same piece of took-is job for three years. Electronics and electrical genious. I will not get into me.

People are getting sick and tired of the benefits given to the elite and the poor alike.

They are fomenting a class war. Period. This is old school technique. It isn't even close to being behind the veil. Terrorists, baaahhh, I could give a crap less. These corrupt asshats are squeezing the middle class to do something.

Sorry for the rant. Just have to let one go every now and then.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by BingeBob

Originally posted by Polynomial C

Maybe i was a little extreme with my initial comments .. but i truly believe the constitution is flawed ...
We live in the year 2010 .. the American constitution was written for the 18th century .. there needs to be an upgrade, we cannot worship laws 200+ years old .. that is insane .. where is the progression when we keep obeying the past ???



So in short what would you update???

Progression isnt always good...


Give Rights to everybody .. Including Homosexuals
End the war on Drugs by discriminate all drugs and apply a kind of "Amsterdam Method" when it comes to hard drugs ..
Ensure that the government uses TAX payers money to HELP those in need
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!
Gun Control
Ensure that organizations like the FCC don't exist ..
We are a secular nation .. and we need to remind EVERYBODY of that ..
Science is progression .. we need to ensure that our species evolves .. and continue our technological advances ..
Abolish patriotism .. pledges, flags and the idea we are a sperate nation from the world ..
Join Forces with the world's nations and create a world gov't .. an Euro-Socialist kind of gov't with progression in mind ..
Etc, etc .. and a bunch of more ETC ...


[edit on 16-1-2010 by Polynomial C]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Would agree with 90% of that, except for the gun control besides felons involved with a real crime.

Do you understand what Constitutional or Common law is.

As long as you do not hurt another or infringe on another's rights-ALL GOOD.

I think you need to start to understand the rights our government has taken in the name of progress.

The monetary system is a joke. It takes all of everyones money. EVERYONES!

As for the social systems you want, your state is allowed to pass these things.

The Federal government is not!



edit to add-Okay, now you added stuff after I replied. You are really pushing your one world government CRAP here at a Conspiracy site?

Do not make me pull out my troll gif again.



[edit on 1/16/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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reply to post by jaundice
 
Your post is an anathema to the very thing we are discussing. Your are doing nothing but promoting the progressive-socialist agenda of both Roosevelts, Woodrow Wilson, Dewey, and Alinksy, just to name a few. We have don't need a second bill of rights. We have a 1st one that covers everythhing.
The progressive-socialist welfare state is where we are. It is what we are trying to turn away from.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Forget the troll gif...you need an asshat gif...

So basically you want to cast away the US constitution that made this country grow to be the biggest richest country the world has ever seen in only 200 years and revert to systems that create welfare and destroy nations?


What planet are you from that thinks its ok to steal from people as long as you give the stolen goods to other people?



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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People may be unhappy but they are comfortable right now in contrast to say...Nigeria or even Haiti

The point still remains that there is a percentage of our population that cant tell you when 9/11 happened. There are even less who know what the bill of rights IS.

Fat dumb and happy.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Agreed more than you know. Life is sometimes good when you are blind.

I was blind once, those were happier times. Many are beginning to see though.

If this economy does not turn around immediately, you will see a lot more disillusionment with this government. Hell, it is all planned anyway. There is no way these people are this stupid. If they are, we deserve to turn into Zimbabwe.

edit to add-

More than likely, some peoples suppositions that they had to destroy the US to get the world governance installed, is looking more likely everyday. And it seems Cass Sunstein's paper was incorrect in being able to manipulate the American Citizens into their version of Utopia.

[edit on 1/16/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C

Originally posted by av8r007
reply to post by Polynomial C
 


You are god damn right I buy it. You must be out of your mind. If you worship socialism so much I am sure the People's Republic of Korea has a nice big bowl of oppression warmed up for you to gobble down. I hope you really enjoy it.


N.Korea is a tyranny .. and i hate their gov't as much as you do .. and in my opinion closer to Stalism than Socialism ..
Also .. i was talking about Eruo-Socialism ..

Maybe i was a little extreme with my initial comments .. but i truly believe the constitution is flawed ...
We live in the year 2010 .. the American constitution was written for the 18th century .. there needs to be an upgrade, we cannot worship laws 200+ years old .. that is insane .. where is the progression when we keep obeying the past ???



[edit on 16-1-2010 by Polynomial C]


I know of no one who worships the laws of physics, people just abide by them. It matters not the age of these laws, what matters is they are universal and affect us all. The same should hold true for the laws that govern humanity in civil societies. Either they hold true for everybody or they have no validity.

For all your blathering about the flaws of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, either I have missed the post where you reasonably and soundly explain what those flaws are, or you have failed to do so. You can yell at the top of your lungs the Constitution for the United States is flawed all you want, until you speak to it intelligently and with reason, why would you expect anyone to take you seriously?



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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This guy has to be a disinfo dude. I mean jeez, look at the writing style, smooth and condescending at the same time.

It must be a psychologically designed technique. I mean look at it. It is almost poetic if you study the flow of the words.

I am glad my country has spent millions or even billions to try and manipulate the masses. It is actually very endearing of my country to care so much about us.


This guy is classic. I tryed engaging with him earlier, he posted a comment that was close to a constitutional argument for rights, but then he waits til someone posts and then edits his comment to add in his stupid Euro-socialism and one world government dog doo.

Sad really.

Anyway, what do you think of the OP Jean Paul. Eye catching?



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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What your so-called "founding" Fathers SHOULD have realised is that they were onto a good thing being a British Colony.

Things would've been SO MUCH BETTER if they'd not decided to become TERRORISTS.

Eventually, they would've been given full LEGAL independance as most former Colonies have been (and take a look at them, most of them are in BIG trouble other than Canada and Aus) but in the interim, would've been part of the best Empire that ever was.

THAT is what really need discussing...



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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I am sure that I will get endisnighe's fabulous troll award for the following post, I claim my 1st Amendment right in saying the following...

Those that are advocating a revolution in this country do so only for the purpose of murdering other people.

Sure, they have their own grievances with the government, and of course they are entitled to these grievances. But instead of pulling together as a political party, instead of pooling resources to enact change in a constructive way and change the government in the Constitutionally mandated and structured way, they want to usurp this government by violent means in order to enact their own version of what a government of the people, by the people and for the people means.

No instead of fixing this government through the channels set up by our founding fathers, they want to destroy all that has been created in the last 234 years of history to enact what they see as right. Damn to whoever thinks differently from them, because they wish to do so violently.

They just want to shoot people, they just want a civil war, they just want death and destruction. If you really push these people to answer the tough questions, they don't have any.

Who would have the right to vote?

The people that wrote the Declaration of Independence only wanted white male landowners to have the right to vote.

Is this freedom for anyone else? No it's not, but this is what revolutionaries want. A complete return to the constitution. In that time, women were property, and anyone that wasn't white was less than human.

Who would have the right to bear arms?

Do the MS13 gang down the road deserve guns? Of course they do if it's up to these people, sure, you might be a murderer, everyone should get guns to these people.

Would religion be free?

Ask the women of the Salem witch trials how much religious freedom this country had in the day.

Of course they will come back with "Well we will give these freedoms to these people and restrict gun ownership from those that have committed a crime" Or something like that, but thats not what they are promising are they? They want a complete and total return to the founding fathers ideal of America.

If they change anything in the constitution and the bill of rights they would do so arbitrarily, according to their whim of what they see as freedom for them, not freedom according to the people of the United States. That should concern anyone who wishes to volunteer to go along with this revolution. What are their goals? What do we do with our crippled and disabled people? Do we let them die in the street? Or do we as a nation help these people?

And without a currency how do they expect to pay for anything? Who would accept deferred payment to fight until they win the war? Then again, if they do produce their own currency, what business would accept it? What would it be backed by? Obviously they don't have enough gold to back a currency on their own, they own too little land to raise enough wheat to back it, they own too little industry to back it by gross domestic product, so any notes a rebellion would issue would be worthless. Would they use greenbacks to fund their war? Well in that case wouldn't they be supporting the Federal Reserve? A for profit central bank not authorized by the constitution they supposedly support?

But instead of supporting candidates that will push their agenda through and change the way America works without violence, they chose instead to hit the reset button on America and bring us back to 1776, a date where slavery is legal, where women are property, where our currency is backed by gold. Where there is no labor laws, no OSHA, no minimum wage.

These people that support a revolution want to remove your Constitutionally elected representatives from our government, violently, Do they propose new elections? Or will they instill their own versions of representatives instead? After all, if it's a violent overthrow of the government they are looking for, they will just kill any candidate they don't agree with. So how much choice do you think as the people you will really have?

Let's not forget the war itself. Some of you have been in battle before, can you imagine that in your neighborhood? The revolutionary army would have to instill martial law at first in order to keep order and prevent chaos. That means restricted travel. Revolutionary soldiers asking where you are going, demanding oaths of alliance to the cause with the threat of death, etc.

Buildings blown up, infrastructure ruined, millions out of work, power services interrupted, Hospitals in triage mode only. Staff doing work just because they can, not because they are getting paid to do so. Of course the best surgeons and nurses would be conscripted by the revolution. So the population would undoubtedly suffer from lack of medical care.

People that are wanting a revolution have no plan for afterward, they have no plan to really fix this country, they just want a revolution to have a revolution, in the end the government will be as bad if not way worse than it is now. They just want to kill people, they have no battle plan, they have no expertise in erecting a government from the ground up, they don't know what to do if they won, they just want to end what they see as an injustice.

What freedoms would the nuclear engineers have that they would have to force to work just so that the nuclear plants in this country won't meltdown?

What freedoms would the sanitation engineers have that they would have to force to work to keep water treatment plants running?

What freedoms would oil company employees have if they were forced to provide fuel to the revolution's machines?

What of winter and when people need fuel oil, What freedoms will the driver have to fuel homes of citizens?

These people that call for revolution don't have a plan, they only have the Declaration of Independence, a document that told the king of England to take a flying leap. (That's all it really is) They only will destroy America, enslaving people to do their will. Limiting rights to everyone, and instilling people into a sham government for them, by them and of them.

Hate this post all you want, call me a troll all you want, I don't care, as long as you actually read it and think about what you are proposing.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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Yes it is eye catching. It caught my attention early on, but I decided to remain silent for a while and just read what others have to say. However, after a while, it became just too difficult to remain silent.

That said, I am not so sure that user is really a "troll". Left leaning no doubt, and it has always struck me that much of the left wing ideology is emotion based, and to a large degree irrational. Things like "rights for everybody, even homosexuals" misses the point of the Bill of Rights, which is supposed to be for everybody, including homosexuals. What that poster is advocating is not rights but special privileges granted by government.

In fact, it is clear when language such as "give rights to everybody" is used. As if rights could be given. Anyway, as usual, you make me proud. Now, just noticed our brother Wuk has posted and I'm anxious to read his thoughts.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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Just to remind everyone of my OP a small part to remind the whatuNO's out there.


This in no way is a call to arms or for a call for armed insurrection. All comments are given as discussion and the relevance of the call for a Global Governance by our countries.


First off, I would like to say the troll award can only be given to the first troll spotted. These trolls come at a high price, I lost two patriots capturing that beast and you are NOT going to get anymore.


To begin with, I was waiting for your appearance and have to say you did yourself proud.

I could have sworn you would have replaced that vinyl record after you scratched it on the last thread you visited that had revolution in the title.

Snark Snark Snark Warning

You forgot to mention back in the day, the Native Americans were a threat also, so we will have to kill them all off also. Not to mention we will get a huge increase in labor for all the children we are going to put to work. Just imagine all those slave shops we can open. You are mistaken on the slavery deal, we are going to send all Irish, Norwegian(damn that's partially me/well I will give an arm) and the African communities back to their own damn countries. Next on the agenda will be the sale of Louisiana back to the French, that way we don't have to fix that damn city. California will be kicked out of the union and will need to sustain itself.



Actually, I have been working on a ad hominem attack award, would you like it?




I wonder if you even touched anything of the OP. Do you agree with any questions asked? Do you like the video?

How about those grievances? Any idea, or do you need to consult your book of fallacies?

Complete off topic post, I thank you whatuNO's

You are becoming the party of NO.

How I do? Snarky enough for you?



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