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How the USA was 'punked' into supporting Zionism like we do today

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posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 08:22 PM
I'm sure anybody who has read my posts knows that I am completely against Zionism. I think they are undoubtedly war criminals and genocidal maniacs that rival the greats throughout the 20th century. They are first class terrorists. I am not making excuses for the current state that the United States backs Israel. I personally think that any senator, any congressman, any politician who votes to back Israeli military funding should be lynched in the streets. I believe Israel is an illegal occupancy that was based off of terrorism. However, in my personal research on the matter I have come across some facts which leads me to believe that the U.S. did not originally support Israel as much as they do now.

Originally, the U.S. only played along with Zionism, but were not supportive of all their ambitions, espcecially nuclear. We were were swindled deals by Zionists down the line, and by Zionist acts of war on our own country. I'm not saying we had no choice, but the history is very different than one would assume. At first I thought that USA had always supported the Zionists with everything they did. I thought that Israel had only became a nuclear state because the US had given them our technology. Along the path of my research I came to some different conclusions. I would like to share those with all the members of ATS now, so that maybe it could shed some light on the issue.

Check out the USS Liberty incident. The USS Liberty was a spy ship that was deployed in the area to gain intelligence on the 6 day war. The official story is that Israel fired a missile on the USS Liberty and sunk it by "accident". They claim it was a case of "mistaken identity", even though the American flags were clearly marked and flying high. The truth of the matter is that the USS Liberty was sunk so that we'd assume it was Egypt doing the attack in order for us to side with our Israeli allies in an attack on them.

The US was victimized by true terrorists. No doubt about it.

The next subject I want to talk about is that Israel did not gain nuclear capabilities from our help. Obviously, we didn not fully trust the Zionists, and for good reason! The truth of the matter is that both the Israelis and the French wanted to become nuclear powers, and they funded joint programs, without the help of the US. On the other hand, we did nothing to stop them.

In reality, Israel only became a nuclear state with the help of France. In the 1950s, both Israel and France were yearning to be nuclear powers, and so they teamed up and jointly funded a program to develop nuclear weapons together. has this to say:

For reactor design and construction, Israel sought the assistance of France. Nuclear cooperation between the two nations dates back as far as early 1950's, when construction began on France's 40MWt heavy water reactor and a chemical reprocessing plant at Marcoule. France was a natural partner for Israel and both governments saw an independent nuclear option as a means by which they could maintain a degree of autonomy in the bipolar environment of the cold war.

In the fall of 1956, France agreed to provide Israel with an 18 MWt research reactor. However, the onset of the Suez Crisis a few weeks later changed the situation dramatically. Following Egypt's closure of the Suez Canal in July, France and Britain had agreed with Israel that the latter should provoke a war with Egypt to provide the European nations with the pretext to send in their troops as peacekeepers to occupy and reopen the canal zone. In the wake of the Suez Crisis, the Soviet Union made a thinly veiled threat against the three nations. This episode not only enhanced the Israeli view that an independent nuclear capability was needed to prevent reliance on potentially unreliable allies, but also led to a sense of debt among French leaders that they had failed to fulfill commitments made to a partner. French premier Guy Mollet is even quoted as saying privately that France "owed" the bomb to Israel.

On 3 October 1957, France and Israel signed a revised agreement calling for France to build a 24 MWt reactor (although the cooling systems and waste facilities were designed to handle three times that power) and, in protocols that were not committed to paper, a chemical reprocessing plant. This complex was constructed in secret, and outside the IAEA inspection regime, by French and Israeli technicians at Dimona, in the Negev desert under the leadership of Col. Manes Pratt of the IDF Ordinance Corps.

Both the scale of the project and the secrecy involved made the construction of Dimona a massive undertaking. A new intelligence agency, the Office of Science Liasons, (LEKEM) was created to provide security and intelligence for the project. At the height construction, some 1,500 Israelis some French workers were employed building Dimona. To maintain secrecy, French customs officials were told that the largest of the reactor components, such as the reactor tank, were part of a desalinization plant bound for Latin America. In addition, after buying heavy water from Norway on the condition that it not be transferred to a third country, the French Air Force secretly flew as much as four tons of the substance to Israel.

Trouble arose in May 1960, when France began to pressure Israel to make the project public and to submit to international inspections of the site, threatening to withhold the reactor fuel unless they did. President de Gaulle was concerned that the inevitable scandal following any revelations about French assistance with the project, especially the chemical reprocessing plant, would have negative repercussions for France's international position, already on shaky ground because of its war in Algeria.

At a subsequent meeting with Ben-Gurion, de Gaulle offered to sell Israel fighter aircraft in exchange for stopping work on the reprocessing plant, and came away from the meeting convinced that the matter was closed. It was not. Over the next few months, Israel worked out a compromise. France would supply the uranium and components already placed on order and would not insist on international inspections. In return, Israel would assure France that they had no intention of making atomic weapons, would not reprocess any plutonium, and would reveal the existence of the reactor, which would be completed without French assistance. In reality, not much changed.

posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 08:25 PM

French contractors finished work on the reactor and reprocessing plant, uranium fuel was delivered and the reactor went critical in 1964.

In a report published on 4 August 2005, the BBC revealed evidence from the British National Archives that showed that the UK sold 20 tons of heavy water to Israel for £1.5 million in 1958. The heavy water, surplus from a shipment purchased by the UK from Norway in 1956, was for use in Israel's Dimona reactor. British officials involved in the deal made a conscious effort to keep the deal secret from both the United States and ministers of their own government. In 1961, Israel asked the UK for more heavy water, but due to the publicity that the Dimona project was receiving at the time, the British declined to sell any more to the Israelis.

The United States first became aware of Dimona's existence after U-2 overflights in 1958 captured the facility's construction, but it was not identified as a nuclear site until two years later. The complex was variously explained as a textile plant, an agricultural station, and a metallurgical research facility, until David Ben-Gurion stated in December 1960 that Dimona complex was a nuclear research center built for "peaceful purposes."

There followed two decades in which the United States, through a combination of benign neglect, erroneous analysis, and successful Israeli deception, failed to discern first the details of Israel's nuclear program. As early as 8 December 1960, the CIA issued a report outlining Dimona's implications for nuclear proliferation, and the CIA station in Tel Aviv had determined by the mid-1960s that the Israeli nuclear weapons program was an established and irreversible fact.

United States inspectors visited Dimona seven times during the 1960s, but they were unable to obtain an accurate picture of the activities carried out there, largely due to tight Israeli control over the timing and agenda of the visits. The Israelis went so far as to install false control room panels and to brick over elevators and hallways that accessed certain areas of the facility. The inspectors were able to report that there was no clear scientific research or civilian nuclear power program justifying such a large reactor - circumstantial evidence of the Israeli bomb program - but found no evidence of "weapons related activities" such as the existence of a plutonium reprocessing plant.

Although the United States government did not encourage or approve of the Israeli nuclear program, it also did nothing to stop it. Walworth Barbour, US ambassador to Israel from 1961-73, the bomb program's crucial years, primarily saw his job as being to insulate the President from facts which might compel him to act on the nuclear issue, alledgedly saying at one point that "The President did not send me there to give him problems. He does not want to be told any bad news." After the 1967 war, Barbour even put a stop to military attachés' intelligence collection efforts around Dimona. Even when Barbour did authorize forwarding information, as he did in 1966 when embassy staff learned that Israel was beginning to put nuclear warheads in missiles, the message seemed to disappear into the bureaucracy and was never acted upon.

In early 1968, the CIA issued a report concluding that Israel had successfully started production of nuclear weapons. This estimate, however, was based on an informal conversation between Carl Duckett, head of the CIA's Office of Science and Technology, and Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb. Teller said that, based on conversations with friends in the Israeli scientific and defense establishment, he had concluded that Israel was capable of building the bomb, and that the CIA should not wait for an Israeli test to make a final assessment because that test would never be carried out.

This is confirmed by this video here about the history of nuclear proliferation.
Notice that up until the 70s, nuclear only had a very minimal nuclear arsenal. They only increased it by helping South Africa develop nuclear capabilities, as long as South Africa provided them enriched Uranium and testing facilities for their new weapons.

Check this video at the 12 minute mark:

posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 08:38 PM
S & F

Class post !

And I agree that zionists are genocidal maniacs

Edited to substitute 'zionists' for 'israelis'

[edit on 14-1-2010 by Dock9]

posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 09:23 PM
Nothing changes the fact that Israel is the chosen people of God.
God will bless those that bless her and curse those that curse her.
I would rather have God's blessings.

posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 09:13 AM

Originally posted by mamabeth
Nothing changes the fact that Israel is the chosen people of God.
God will bless those that bless her and curse those that curse her.
I would rather have God's blessings.

Why don't you move to Israhell then?

posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 09:11 AM
So are you saying they have built their arsenal with US tax dollars?
Were the French pretty much Commies when they bolstered there nuclear capability?

[edit on 20-1-2010 by Donny 4 million]

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