reply to post by captaintyinknots
Oh I contrare. Rome was at it's spiritual height when it stole land and traded land without consulting its inhabitants. It was the height of
stoicism, a derivative of Roman mythology that some even thought there might be a ruler God above all other gods who does not know about humanity but
keeps a certain cycle going. Stoicism in the day was a great high point of morality and belief. Yet those most faithful sold and traded illegally land
of the Gauls and other places. They did horrible things, and even got Gauls to fight each other so as to take advantage of it.
At the literal height of imperial Christianity pre-fall of Rome, Rome was an extremely cultural and innovative empire. It's people were getting lazy
though, and literally had like half the year off. None the less, Rome was not ending in its Roman-ness. And at the same time of the policy of bread
and circuses, a policy of illegal land trade occurred. The Franks had set up shop in Gaul, and the Romans basically gave the Goths the land rights to
the whole empire. The Goths would eventually be expelled into Spain, where again, illegal land trades happened.
This was hardly a time of spiritual low. And to take that one step further, what on Earth does spirituality have to do with this? Billy Graham and Pat
Robertson are pretty good contrasts, but they still represent spiritual highs. Yet one is peaceful and not aggressive, while the other is foolish and
damning Haiti for no reason.
And to take it yet another step forward, the wars weren't the reason for the Israel issue? Oh my dear friend, you should look up history. Wars are
pretty much the only reason for Israel being a nation. The Early 20th century is marked by a rise in the desire to let lose colonialism and keep
Europe in Europe. Each nation decided to go along its merry way, and the implications of these multiple paths of de-colonialism still affect us to
this day. You see, England is pretty much the only nation that actually cared about some, and albeit, a very few some, of its colonies destinies in
independence. While The English were preparing to leave Africa in particular, the works of Gandhi were making the English want to leave there as well.
All during this time, Zionism rose up in Europe, and only grew more desired from Hitler's actions. As it was decided that the English would
relinquish colonial war at the end of the war, Zionism had also found a way to fit in. But the English didn't really care about borders. They drew
them up trying to fit in every significant cultural group into their own nation. It is a flat lie that there was any free nations in the middle east
at the end of WW2. So quick are people ready to forget that Europe had owned that part of the world for many, MANY eons before hand.
As you can see from this map, rather than the lie that those lands were independent, the truth is that the entire region was flat out occupied, and
had been going back to Napoleonic times.
The British decided to "walk with them" if you will for some colonies, specifically south Africa, Nigeria, and India. As a result, these are the
most stable former British colonies. Let's not talk about the other European colonies. They took a policy of cut and run, and as a result, to this
day there is no law and order. Israel was formed nor because there was a global Zionist conspiracy. Israel was founded because it was a significantly
bigger population than the local Islamic and Christian population. As such, they took precedents, and the Brits made one large nation. They did the
same thing in Nigeria, but unlike Israel, the Brits let the Nigerians acquire independence slowly and stably, rather than just cast them to the
On a side not, if America had lost the revolutionary war, this would be the time the Brits would give the Americans independence, and we'd probably
be in just as much chaos as Africa right now.
Thus, the formation of Israel is nothing more, and nothing less, than a global repetition of what Rome did. The Empire was too expensive and not worth
it. They had raped and pillaged the land, and now that industrialization as over, it was time to go home and let the natives have their useless strip
mined nations back. The Franco-English presence in Israel was transferred to the UN for temporary control, and as with all nations that were formally
colonies, was given independence shortly there after. After that, the greed of inexperienced Israelis took over and they invaded the tiny pieces of
Palestine left, interested in taking back what they wanted. In turn, but forgotten because they're not Jewish and thus don't fit into the
confirmation bias, the rest of the world also fell into chaos. The post ww2 post colonialism of the former colonies is marked by nothing but
dictators, violence, genocide, and horrible other things. But because this doesn't fit the Zionist confirmation bias that so many people need,
they're conveniently forgotten about. Where as truth is that Israel is indifferent, with the entire 3rd world being one big illegal land trade,
people like you only look at Israel. Why? Cause they're Jews, quite simply. You're convenient scapegoat.