New World Order : There Is No Such Thing, Architect's of Lies, They Created A Phantom Menace

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posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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People are far to quick to act, and act stupidly, based upon perceptions.

Am I saying nothing is going on here?

Hell no.

Just find out exactly what is going on before grabbing M-16's, C-4, and a noose, people.

As people begin grouping together, the IQ of the whole group is either lowered, or raised, based upon the intelligence level of the entire group, more often than not the IQ lowers rather exponentially and quite quickly, which is why American's need to be better educated on politics, period.

An example, is that there is no "New World Order", it is instead a psychological operation through grey propaganda, meant to make you discredit yourself in trying to prove a phantom menace, when in reality it is Government using a sock puppet, to distract people, easily.

New World Order



Quote from : Wikipedia : New World Order

In conspiracy theory, the term "New World Order" or "NWO" refers to the emergence of a bureaucratic collectivist one-world government.

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and put an end to international power struggles.

Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations.

Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.

Prior to the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily fundamentalist Christians concerned with end-time emergence of the Antichrist.

Skeptics, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, have expressed concern that right-wing conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

Political scientists warn that this mass hysteria may not only fuel lone-wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the far right and the far left joining forces into an insurrectionary national-anarchist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.


What happens is that people mistakenly follow this vein, about an evil entity, when in reality, it is Government officials, screwing you people more than one way, causing confusion.

Believe me, I chased this phantom menace for the better part of two decades, wondering why I never got to the end and figuring it all out.

Until one day it clicked, it was an elusive ghost, a phantom menace, something akin to the boogeyman.

I believe that the misnomer of "New World Order" is in fact, a straw man.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Straw Man

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.

To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

Presenting and refuting a weakened form of an opponent's argument can be a part of a valid argument.

For example, one can argue that the opposing position implies that at least one other statement - being presumably easier to refute than the original position - must be true.

If one refutes this weaker proposition, the refutation is valid and does not fit the above definition of a "straw man" argument.


Think about it, because I can prove with 100% proof that there is no "New World Order", but that the cabal's have been mis-leading you, in order to throw you off that it is them, showing you one thing, while another completely is going on, and by dancing a puppet on strings they know you will attack in error, and kill the puppet, instead of the puppet-master.

Instead, cut the strings, on your own ignorance, and that of those who blindly follow the path of a ghost.

No need to kill the puppet-master either, just be smarter, and throw them off the stage, and instead of becoming an act like Vaudeville, become a real functionary within Government yourself by being a responsible, knowing, and contributing member of the citizens of America in not only leading these citizens by example, but leading them away from ignorance through intelligence.

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My meaning here is strictly that the "threat" itself, of the "New World Order" is not real in the essence of the meaning most "conspiracy theorists" outline it as, it is in my opinion, strictly a double-blind, a straw man, or as ATS calls it when people do it here on this conspiracy theory website, a sock-puppet.

Where's Sock Puppet's Bailout?



Quote from : Wikipedia : Sock Puppet (Internet)

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an online community.

In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks with or about himself or herself, pretending to be a different person, like a ventriloquist manipulating a hand puppet.

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities.

For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."

The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt" which is short for alternate, as in alternate identity) is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer or acting under their control for their benefit.

The earliest known usage of the term was on July 9, 1993 by Dana Rollins in a posting to bit.listserv.fnord-l, but the term was not in common usage in USENET groups until 1996.


My opinion, is the people in power, created this straw man, as a means to terrify the populace, the "fringe element" within it, therefore agitating them into some sort of crazy thought process through action in trying to prove this alleged ghost theory, that was originally what is called grey propaganda, when in actuality it is the Government using the straw man, through speeches like George H.W. Bush's infamous speech to agitate those people who call themselves "conspiracy theorists", or even those people who call them that who prefer to call those people "Truthers".

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You


Quote from : Wikipedia : Grey Propaganda

Grey propaganda is propaganda without any identifiable source or author.

A major application of grey propaganda is making enemies believe falsehoods using straw arguments:

As phase one, to make someone believe "A", one releases as grey propaganda "B", the opposite of "A".

In phase two, "B" is discredited using some strawman.

The enemy will then assume "A" to be true.


Through this those people trying to prove the existence of a "New World Order" thereby turn around and discredit themselves because they are trying to prove something that does not exist, except as a psychological operation.

In other words, if you cannot prove the theory, you are crazy, and you make yourself seem as the lone nutcase.

So, to me, the "New World Order" exists, it's "architect's" exist, but most people miss the fact that it is a double blind illusion, like a magician, utilizing a beautiful assistant, the people in power however, use the reverse, the boogeyman in place of the beautiful assistant in order to make themselves appear as the "beautiful" alternative.

Like Tower 7 falling and everyone pointing to that as complicit evidence, it is, something that was done, yes, but not necessarily for your perceived reasons, it may in fact have been done as nothing more than a smokescreen, used as a distraction from the facts.

New Operation Northwoods Theory Twist : Laser Guided Plane, Tower 7, and the WTC Observation Deck

An example, is that it might have been done, strictly to keep you from looking at the angles, acting as a stalking horse.

Truth and Lies of 9/11 : Mike Ruppert, C.I.A. Drug Running, and Your Government


Quote from : Wikipedia : Stalking Horse

A stalking horse is a person who tests a concept with someone or mounts a challenge against them on behalf of an anonymous third party.

If the idea proves viable and/or popular, the anonymous figure can then declare their interest and advance the concept with little risk of failure.

If the concept fails, the anonymous party will not be tainted by association and can either drop the idea completely or bide their time and wait until a better moment for launching an attack.


So, are you paying attention to the Stalking Horse, the alleged "New World Order", or the hunter who is stalking you and preparing to pounce upon you when you ignore their stalking horse, falsely act, or act through ignorance?

After all, ATS is about "Denying Ignorance", so the question you must ask yourself is simple.

Have you practiced ignorance, or have you denied it, and through deniying it, educated yourself?

Deny Ignorance : ATS Mission Statement



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posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Which set of "truth" are you following?

Truth : The First Victim, The Last to Be Un-Buried, Never to Rest...

Is it the "Official Story" or are those within that faction correct in calling you misleadingly the "Truther Movement", and you are instead, not only following a lie, but like those people you ridicule throughout the "Official Story" believers, being mislead?

Divide and Conquer : Political Ideology of the Power Elite, Selling The Peace, War Is The Motive

Is it all about the facts or is it in actuality all like the Roman's, bread and circuses?


Quote from : Wikipedia : Bread and Circuses

"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metaphor for handouts and petty amusements that politicians use to gain popular support, instead of gaining it through sound policy.

The phrase is invoked not only to criticize politicians, but also to criticize their supporters for giving up their civic duty.

In modern usage, the phrase has become an adjective to deride an infantilized populace so defined by entertainment, instant self gratification, and personal pleasures that they no longer value civic virtues and the public life (not necessarily accomplished through deliberate pacification by politicians but through the popular culture itself).

To many social conservatives, it connotes the wanton decadence and hedonism that defined Rome prior to its decline and that may similarly contribute to the decline of modern society.


Bilderberger : The Global Agenda, Eugenics, Global Warming, And Biochiping Sheeple

So, are you a sheeple, a wolf, or a shepherd, being blindly led, misleading, or leading by example?

Are you intentionally being mislead, are you unintentionally misleading others, or are you really leading to begin with?

Abstract, negative, concrete, the Hegelian Dialectic teaches that abstract ideas can easily mislead, through negative thoughts, and cement into people's heads, a false reality.

So, if you believe the "Official Story" of Government, New World Order, or 9/11, fine, do it intelligently, and if you believe in the "Truther Movement", fine, do it intelligently, just do not let the power elite mislead you by separating you from your fellow ATS'ers through acting in ignorance, instead, Deny Ignorance.

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posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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I must say SKL you are rockin' the house lately. Or rather, the boat. S & F for you!

I personally believe it's foolish to fight ghosts; and do my best to avoid it.

In the words of the Dalai Lama when asked about China's oppressive nature and his thoughts on the subject, "I don't think about it. They can take the next Dalai Lama, and they can take our home, but I won't let them take my mind." I'm sure it is misquoted; but the message is still intact.



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Namaste
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I must say SKL you are rockin' the house lately. Or rather, the boat. S & F for you!

I personally believe it's foolish to fight ghosts; and do my best to avoid it.

In the words of the Dalai Lama when asked about China's oppressive nature and his thoughts on the subject, "I don't think about it. They can take the next Dalai Lama, and they can take our home, but I won't let them take my mind." I'm sure it is misquoted; but the message is still intact.


Namaste, I notice your location on your avatar, is Casper, Wyoming.

You do know that is where Dick Cheney is from, correct?

Thank you, by the way, I do not follow ghosts, but watch for the ghost in the machine.

Ignore the "ghost's", the false blips on the radar, instead see the man behind the curtain.

The Wizard of Oz: Pay No Attention


 


Dorothy, wake up Dorothy, Dorothy, wake up Dorothy.

There is no "New World Order" and America is not in Kansas anymore.

The Wicked Witch did not die when water was splashed upon her face.

The entire thing was a lucid dream.

The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself, defined by your perceptions.

FDR First Inaugural Address


Casper, Wyoming, Casper, the friendly ghost, Dick Cheney is a friendly ghost?

I think not.



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Yes I am very aware he is from here. We've got the Dick Cheney Federal Building, which carried that name well before he became VP. We also have the Dick Cheney Alumni field at one of our high schools. The people here champion the man; sad really.



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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SKL,

When do we, become the hunter and not the hunted? That is the question. I have always believed there is a man behind the mask, it is just not as behind the mask as many believe. The money is the base and the power is the arms of the beast.

We need to remove either the arms or the base. The arms are much more resilient. There has been much put into the continuation of command in case of disaster.

The base of course is an illusive ghost. But very much a tangible entity.

We just have to say enough is enough. 9/12 could have been an eye opener. Someone forgot though, that the government can just ignore the petition of grievances and also cover up the fact it even happened.

50.000 people showed up in support of health care reform, what protest, and other obfuscations they performed on that day should go down as the first shot across the bow in this revolution that is coming. It is coming, I will not submit to the oppression any longer. I will not purchase mandatory anything. Many others feel the way I do.

I have decided to step back to what I was researching earlier on the sovereign citizen argument. For the only purpose that I will send my prepared documents to them and tell them they no longer are given any jurisdiction over me for attempting to remove my rights.

I guess this could be considered my return fire this prepared petition of grievances. If they leave me alone and do not try to take my labor, we may coexist. If not, they are taking the last step I guess you could say.

God Bless and Peace. Keep spreading the knowledge.



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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Whoa, man, slow down on the coffee....you didn't waste your life, it is as big as you think (bigger maybe) but its not contrived and centrally controlled as you think( or used to think, its hard to tell)

The New World Order is an "idea" , actually a vision and philosophy to some.

Its an abstract noun, not a proper noun.

It is an elusive "phantom" because its is an idea, not an evil cabal like the Bilderbergers or the Trilateral Commission (although most members of these groups want a "global" society and many of them are most certainly somewhat evil in their intentions)

It is nothing more (and nothing less) than an ever growing "group" of "globalists". Not an official group or cabal, but a huge diverse number of people who want to have a "global society" for any myriad of reasons (greed, control, world peace, etc, etc).

Globalists are global business's, politicians, altruistic activists, third world countries, progressives, marxists, socialists, fascists (the last four are pretty much the same beasts in principal practice) etc who envision a world of bigger markets, more control, more centralized power, consolidation of power, less risk, less wars, government knows best, people are idiots and need their hands held, etc, etc, etc.


The obama administration, the majority of the current congress, the past administration, etc, are all part of the "NWO" not as part of some secret cabal but because they see a global community as either a way to make more money, get more control, achieve their naive utopian society, etc, etc, etc.


Its a whole bunch of people (many whacked out of their minds) searching for many things with many different agendas who both wittingly and unwittingly work and feed off of each others ideas, agendas, etc.

Its a sickness, a disease, a mental illness, a control issue, a power grab, its many things, its even a genuine belief in a better world by many delusional naivete's, but is not for the best interests of most people.





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posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Whoa, man, slow down on the coffee....


Hey now! I'm a barista. In fact I'm at my coffee shop as we speak. I totally resent that.


Drink more coffee!



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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there is no "New World Order", it is instead a psychological operation
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Wow, it only took you 2 decades to learn that? The term "new world order" was a nomenclature given to a mindset coined by a global elite who in reality are directing their true definitive definition which is actually a "new way of thinking".

Once a new way of thinking was established, they renamed their agenda to the new world order. I can't believe that it really took you 20+ years to figure that out. There is a new world order and there are real people behind it.



posted on Jan, 14 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Namaste
Yes I am very aware he is from here. We've got the Dick Cheney Federal Building, which carried that name well before he became VP. We also have the Dick Cheney Alumni field at one of our high schools. The people here champion the man; sad really.


That is sad that his name is plastered over the whole town.

Maybe raze the town?

You would not want his stench to ruin what is most likely a lovely town.

Oh yeah, and I am not a coffee drinker, never have been, never will be.

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posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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Raze the whole town! Maybe... lol

I would be happy without the idoltry all around my town. Everytime the man comes to town he get's a big old procession and the likes. They may as well just have a parade in his honor when he visits.

Why no coffee?



posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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I_am_Spartacus, I totally second your post.
NWO is an idea, an ideal for some, a dystopia for others. A one world government could be a great thing just like it could be a terrible thing. Depends on those in charge really



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
SKL,

When do we, become the hunter and not the hunted? That is the question. I have always believed there is a man behind the mask, it is just not as behind the mask as many believe. The money is the base and the power is the arms of the beast.


Of course you have a valid point there.

I am not sure what your thoughts on hunting these idiots, personally they are not worth my time.

Yes, there is power hidden behind their tactics, but after learning what I have in life, I see what they are doing now as nothing more than cheap parlor tricks.


Originally posted by endisnighe
We need to remove either the arms or the base. The arms are much more resilient. There has been much put into the continuation of command in case of disaster.


Of course, Continuity of Government is big, and that is where the power to all things horrific lie, within the confines of their cowardice plan.


Originally posted by endisnighe
The base of course is an illusive ghost. But very much a tangible entity.


Of course, they utilize the abstract idea and name of "New World Order", to make the citizens assist them through rebellion, to create the very beast we fear.

Abstract, negative, concrete, the Hegelian Dialectic in action.

People are far to quick to act, and act stupidly, based upon perceptions. And based upon their perspective of an abstract idea, usually the regular Joe Conspiracy knows little to nothing of what an abstract idea is, so they miss that part altogether, something I can see you and I and a few others have not missed.


Originally posted by endisnighe
We just have to say enough is enough. 9/12 could have been an eye opener. Someone forgot though, that the government can just ignore the petition of grievances and also cover up the fact it even happened.


That is just it though, 9/12 should not have been the eye opener, 9/11 should have.

I never forgot that, I've always known Government can ignore the citizens, always.

As for everyone else, each person is seeing their perspective, and far too many believe falsely in the benevolence of Government, and not enough in their power of their own self.


Originally posted by endisnighe
50.000 people showed up in support of health care reform, what protest, and other obfuscations they performed on that day should go down as the first shot across the bow in this revolution that is coming. It is coming, I will not submit to the oppression any longer. I will not purchase mandatory anything. Many others feel the way I do.


The whole "Healthcare Reform Act" is nothng more than a puppet show.

Hiding, deep down, like a man behind a mask, is the R.F.I.D./bio-chip, within the bowels of that crap, but because of the ignorance of American's in regards to politics, and their lack of caring to understand them, the politicians can easily distract the populace with the sideshow of the town hall actions, just like the "New World Order".

There is no "New World Order", it is instead a psychological operation through grey propaganda, meant to make you discredit yourself in trying to prove a phantom menace, when in reality it is Government using a sock puppet, to distract people, easily.

Just as the town hall meetings was supposed to be meant to discredit the populace, through speaking over their heads, but what the politicians failed to realize was that when it came to Health Care, because of the bureaucractic red tape we as citizens have to wade through just to get proper care, the citizens began learning the inner workings of what was going on through being fed up with it, and being forced to learn only helped them shame those politicians who not only did not write those reforms, but showed that they rely instead upon the Healthcare Industry to do their dirty work and them hand them the documentation to sign and pass in law.

In other words, the peole caught the politicians with their pants down around their ankles, and when we can do that, the politicians are the ones who need lube.

Just like that though, things like the "Bailout" were where American's were caught with their pants down

Bend Over, With Lube, Here It Comes (Economic Stimulus Package In PDF's)


Originally posted by endisnighe
I have decided to step back to what I was researching earlier on the sovereign citizen argument. For the only purpose that I will send my prepared documents to them and tell them they no longer are given any jurisdiction over me for attempting to remove my rights.


Good luck with that, a benevolent and high-minded idea, but I fear it will fall on deaf ears.

The politicians just do not give a damn any more, they have stopped hiding in some regards.

Instead of you sending them anything, why not go into non-profit work?

I do mean something not currently happening not a group in operation.

I have many ideas in that regard and I know how a think-tank operates.

I have no problem using their own tactics against them through a political fight.


Originally posted by endisnighe
I guess this could be considered my return fire this prepared petition of grievances. If they leave me alone and do not try to take my labor, we may coexist. If not, they are taking the last step I guess you could say.


Why let one man do the fight?

The power of one man trying to make a difference is good but the power of many is better.

Personally, I can see the entire conspiracy theory community as powerful enough to take down Washington D.C., through political action, meaning all sorts of legal actions through many means that have barely been tapped into.

The problem is that so many people falsely believe in the "New World Order".

The Presidential election, has always been rigged, and you and I know that, the Bilderberg Group began picking the person who gets in after WWII to assue no F.D.R. or Hitler would ever happen again, and make sure it was not the citizens, which means the Bilderberg Group would rather pick the F.D.R. or Hitler and control them because they do not trust the citizens to make an intelligent choice as they know they can be easily mislead, so they would rather easily mislead the citizens, therefore keeping us from actually making a difference with out society because they blame the world for the Holocaust instead of Wall Street.

I do however believe that at the city level, the county level, and the state elections are more fairly done, most of the time, and as well that people need to know their responsibility does not end at the voting booth for those areas, but only starts there, and ends when they actually make a difference through serving in their community in many ways.

If only people could stop believing the lies Washington D.C. keep selling.

The first lie, is of course, that the people are not powerful, and those people are learning that rather quickly, they just have to set aside petty, vindictive, and the side show.

The second lie, is of course, that the people need someone else to run for office, and that they cannot do it themselves, but they are learning, and are doing certain key things they did not do at one time, and that is pay attention.

The third lie, is of course, that politics is actually difficult, and it is not, for the most part the politicians use idealistic verbiage, double-speak, and conjecture to confuse, divide and conquer the masses, and it is all again, cheap parlor tricks.


Originally posted by endisnighe
God Bless and Peace. Keep spreading the knowledge.


To you too, endisnighe, to you too.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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Hmmm, so much intelligence seemingly exhibited here, and yet more ignorance to the facts. I am not trying to be condescending or combative here. I am just trying to understand why you say there is no NWO?

That's like saying that we have professional football, but no NFL. Then when an NFL team wins the super bowl, they are called "world champions", eventhough they never played any foreign team anywhere?

Global Gov't has many names. Gorbachov called it "Operation Perestroika", Bill Clinton calls it "The Global Neighborhood", G.H.W. Bush calls it the "New World Order", and Obama has even called it "One World Nation".

THe nwo is an idea, or a mindset if you will that was orchestrated many centuries ago, and has been tried to be implemented by many different people from Ghengis Khan to the now modern Rothschild Family. Singular national govt's have been the biggest ruse in modern history, for after the smoke clears, all roads lead back to the "House of Rothschild"! That has been proven many times over.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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SKL for clarification-in regards to the hunter it is in regards to this quote from you on this post.

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So, are you paying attention to the Stalking Horse, the alleged "New World Order", or the hunter who is stalking you and preparing to pounce upon you when you ignore their stalking horse, falsely act, or act through ignorance?


In regards to removing either the base of the arms, it is in regards to the removal by voting, corruption charges, eliminating their power etc etc etc.

And also in this regard of the replacement of one dirty politician for another.

All this just to clarify my comments so I don't have to hurt some wanna be hero FBI man.
Just kidding CIA operative investigating internet chat rooms. Go listen to the al queda dudes that you like to create as big bad monsters.

I think I talked about this before with you, I was pretty blind about current stuff until the last year or 2. I have never trusted any politician as far as I could throw a singularity, but the recent developments were invisible to me. I was too busy working my took-is off.

One you thing you bring up is the NWO voodoo crap they try to instill in this community. What is funny is I could give a rat's took-is if they know my name or attitude. Just so I do not break any Lawful Laws, they can kiss my took-is.

That is one thing many here have brought up. Hiding behind these avatars actually hurts our cause of advancing the knowledge. We are just wraiths with no power.

Anyway SKL, the non-profit idea appeals to my inner kiss my took-is attitude. If I cannot find work in 4 months, I have decide to setup a machinist shop. I have a friend that went out of business awhile back and I was thinking of making limited addition equipment. I have to do some research into WI licensing(oh how I hate statutes) to make sure I cannot be hauled off to prison for violating some obtuse and outdated statute. Those items are flying off the shelves. Obama and company(heil Bush)are good salesmen.

Anyway, always informative talking to you SKL, later.





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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:13 AM
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Well done here SpartanKingLeonidas. I have come across a PDF document written for the Air Command and Staff College. It is Bush's New World Order: The meaning behind the words. It is very informative and it was written in 1997. When you get a chance check it out and tell me what you think. Especially when the author begins to forecast events in our present day. Pages 23 to 25 are pretty alarming. I'd love to hear what you think! Star and flagged for sure my friend.

www.oldthinkernews.com...



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
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SKL for clarification-in regards to the hunter it is in regards to this quote from you on this post.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 





So, are you paying attention to the Stalking Horse, the alleged "New World Order", or the hunter who is stalking you and preparing to pounce upon you when you ignore their stalking horse, falsely act, or act through ignorance?


Got it.


No need to hunt that hunter, that hunter is better equipped, just double back around him.

By doubling-back, you can bushwhack him, via actually going into politics.


Originally posted by endisnighe
In regards to removing either the base of the arms, it is in regards to the removal by voting, corruption charges, eliminating their power etc etc etc.

And also in this regard of the replacement of one dirty politician for another.


Understood

Well, this is why I keep telling ATS'ers this whole "New World Order" is only an illusion.

Smoke and mirrors, a house of cards, a sham entity.

The thing is by believing in it, we are in essence creating it, because of the false-flag.


Originally posted by endisnighe
All this just to clarify my comments so I don't have to hurt some wanna be hero FBI man.
Just kidding CIA operative investigating internet chat rooms. Go listen to the al queda dudes that you like to create as big bad monsters.


Believe it or not, the Government is more often than not creating the monster.

Remember that phrase, be careful, lest the monster you hunt, makes you one.

Why not the reverse?

One you make, hunt the monster, to be careful.

In essence, by creating the straw man, the name itself, "New World Order", it becomes an actual straw man, the name only, of those three words, becomes the actual false-flag, the actual false-flag operative, and as well the perpetual motion of shaking a boogeyman every time those words are stated via live politicians, shaking the boogeyman out as a saber-rattling exercise.

By doing this they can thereby do quite a few things.

1) Deniability.

2) Need funding.

3) Point the finger to hostile activity as necessity of funding.

Then they do a few more things.

1) Increase funding.

2) Arrest actual law-breaking citizens.

3) Point to statistics as actual methodology, necessity through historical reference, and watch for the next person stupid enough to fall for the trap.

This is not only the Hegelian Dialectic in action, abstract, negative, concrete, it as well, is a formula that works well, and you might see it every day.

Just not knowing the formula of not only chaos, but of order, and as well one of seeming control through the negative actions of what are claimed as the "lone nut".

Why do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald theory worked so well, the cabal was hidden through behind the scenes actions, deniability, a blanket of safety.

By creating chaos they can have an easier time of ruling and thereby Divide and Conquer.

J.F.K. had to go along with Martin Luther King Jr. and James Earl Ray was the opposite of a patsy, in that he actually committed the acts, if they were going to kill J.F.K. one way, they had to reverse the pattern, and James Earl Ray acted as a cut-out for the F.B.I. through Mafia connections as a mediator to set the plan in motion.

The words, "New World Order" are that mediator here, they make you get yourself character assassinated through you speaking about these "conspiracy theories" and everyone looks at you like a "lone nut", through labels and the box we put ourselves in.


Originally posted by endisnighe
I think I talked about this before with you, I was pretty blind about current stuff until the last year or 2. I have never trusted any politician as far as I could throw a singularity, but the recent developments were invisible to me. I was too busy working my took-is off.


I was blind for the first twenty years, and like I stated I hunted this ghost for those twenty years, and since someone within this thread asked me why twenty years and I am speaking to you here I will elaborate during our posts, first.

I began hunting this elusive ghost at the age of six years old, my stepfather taught me those words, and then taught me Divide and Conquer, the Art of War, policy, procedure, and protocol, and most importantly, the Hegelian Dialectic.

Abstract, negative, concrete, the Hegelian Dialectic, words, are often abstract, like "terror", and as well the "New World Order", an abstract idea, or even abstract art.


Quote from :Abstract Art

Abstract art, nonfigurative art, nonobjective art, and nonrepresentational art are loosely related terms.

They are similar, although perhaps not of identical meaning.


Which is why the "monster" of the "New World Order" works just like "terrorism" as a boogeyman, because not everyone can agree on the one set definition of the name, or that use of the one word, "terror", because in the international community, throughout the world, every person has a different language, and as well as a different definition of "terrorism".


Originally posted by endisnighe
One you thing you bring up is the NWO voodoo crap they try to instill in this community. What is funny is I could give a rat's took-is if they know my name or attitude. Just so I do not break any Lawful Laws, they can kiss my took-is.


Voodoo is the exact correct terminology to use here.

It is the superstitious mentality of us "conspiracy theorists" that is shook up as a saber-rattling exercise, each time a politician uses the words "New World Order".

Aliens, the Boogeyman, and Creatures That Go Bump In the Night

I do not mean we are superstitious, but the mentality is similar, because it is a boogeyman, and Voodoo is almost a similar way of presenting it, because according to that superstitious religion, evil spirits can get you, and through you swallowing the prepared medicine that a Witch Doctor prepares, this creates in us a zombie mentality, to stop trying to get into politics.

I mean, my God, endisnighe, even the creators of "Family Guy" get this phantom.

Remember the episode where Lois runs for office and keep saying 9/11 to get applause?

Family Guy : Undecided Voters


Watch sports, buy DVD's, fight with your neighbor, but let us handle politics.

In other words, here are your bread and circuses, leave the power to us.


Originally posted by endisnighe
That is one thing many here have brought up. Hiding behind these avatars actually hurts our cause of advancing the knowledge. We are just wraiths with no power.


No, I do not agree, but that is because I am politically active in my community.

Everything I do online is towards my experience in writing books to act as a private fundraiser to actually change the status quo, through active, passive, and legal measures.

If this is just a wraith to you, your avatar, and online existence, is as vacuous as you claim, but if you know how to improvise, adapt, modify, and overcome, it can be a powerful weapon in your arsenal, and through a legal means.

What I mean is that I am expanding my experience through speaking to a public audience, electronically, preparing for a more active audience, the book readers, and then on to the live and more active audience, the political arena.


Originally posted by endisnighe
Anyway SKL, the non-profit idea appeals to my inner kiss my took-is attitude. If I cannot find work in 4 months, I have decide to setup a machinist shop. I have a friend that went out of business awhile back and I was thinking of making limited addition equipment. I have to do some research into WI licensing(oh how I hate statutes) to make sure I cannot be hauled off to prison for violating some obtuse and outdated statute. Those items are flying off the shelves. Obama and company(heil Bush)are good salesmen.

Anyway, always informative talking to you SKL, later.
[edit on 1/16/2010 by endisnighe]


Why not do both?

Make the business about the non-profit ideals and give the product away as a fundraiser?

Or, use the momentum of advertising, for the business, and create the non-profit as a marketing measure, supporting a cause you stand for, whatever that may be.

Do not miss out on an opportunity to advertise, get the message out, and whip butt.

Washington D.C. is ready for the taking, just stop fearing needless paranoia, stop the fear.

...and remember...

There is No New World Order

[edit on 16-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Whoa, man, slow down on the coffee....you didn't waste your life, it is as big as you think (bigger maybe) but its not contrived and centrally controlled as you think( or used to think, its hard to tell)


Okay, I have to assume you're replying to me, since it was not stated as so.

Who said or implied that I ever wasted my life?

I never said that, I said however, that each and every person misleading themselves were.

Maybe not in that direct form through verbiage, but throughout this thread I have.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
The New World Order is an "idea" , actually a vision and philosophy to some.


Yes, and a false vision, created by expert manipulators, politicians.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Its an abstract noun, not a proper noun.


Yes, read my replies to endisnighe, I get abstract, negative, concrete.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
It is an elusive "phantom" because its is an idea, not an evil cabal like the Bilderbergers or the Trilateral Commission (although most members of these groups want a "global" society and many of them are most certainly somewhat evil in their intentions)


That is just it, each and every Secret Society is in on it, each has an agenda.

Each has a role to play, each has a system to use, each has a method.

And for the most part, they ignore us, because silence is more deafening.

We cannot scream louder than their silence, we can however stop screaming, and start acting.

Legally, passively, and politically, through getting into each and every office.

I mean running for office is not illegal, now is it?

No.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
It is nothing more (and nothing less) than an ever growing "group" of "globalists". Not an official group or cabal, but a huge diverse number of people who want to have a "global society" for any myriad of reasons (greed, control, world peace, etc, etc).


Of course, and through obfuscating, paper-pushing bureaucracy, they create that monster.

Each and every time they silently herd some "lone nut" into an adverse reaction.

Abstract idea, one man, negative concept, can (insert your disaster here), concrete action, laws are changed.

It is as well the exact opposite of that well known phrase.

"One Man Can Make a Difference."

So, they are showing you, one man, acting alone, can destroy the world too.

I personally think one man can make a difference if he shines the light on the darkness.

Uncover the plots, expose those secrets, without a hidden agenda.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Globalists are global business's, politicians, altruistic activists, third world countries, progressives, marxists, socialists, fascists (the last four are pretty much the same beasts in principal practice) etc who envision a world of bigger markets, more control, more centralized power, consolidation of power, less risk, less wars, government knows best, people are idiots and need their hands held, etc, etc, etc.


I believe what you meant to say is that they are ruthless cut-throats, corporate raiders, and thieving bastards, but interpretation is subjective to perception.


Why do you think the name "Skull and Bones" is used?

Because they are nothing more than corporate raiders, manipulating things, behind the scenes.

That is not what I call them though, I call them "The Order", as in chaos and order.

Right and Left : A Control Mechanism of the Skull and Bones Society, the Order of Chaos


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
The obama administration, the majority of the current congress, the past administration, etc, are all part of the "NWO" not as part of some secret cabal but because they see a global community as either a way to make more money, get more control, achieve their naive utopian society, etc, etc, etc.


Yes to the global community, but I do not agree with the rest.

Those words, "New World Order" are nothing but their boogeyman.

Read what I have updated this thread with in other replies.

Utopia is a lie, there is no such thing, and anyone trying to create one, is a Hitler in hiding.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Its a whole bunch of people (many whacked out of their minds) searching for many things with many different agendas who both wittingly and unwittingly work and feed off of each others ideas, agendas, etc.


Well, I can agree 100% with that statement, they are all nuts.


Psychopaths in office, psychopaths in power, psychopaths in control.

What we need is a balance, less psychopaths, more regular citizens, Yin and Yang.


Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus
Its a sickness, a disease, a mental illness, a control issue, a power grab, its many things, its even a genuine belief in a better world by many delusional naivete's, but is not for the best interests of most people.
[edit on 14-1-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]

[edit on 14-1-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]


Of course, I used to work with psyche patients, and I see the patterns in Washington D.C.

Of course, it goes to the United Nations as well, and the World Government.

See, by using this straw man, they are making people batty, because you can agitate the less intelligent, I have seen it many times, a Security Officer I worked with did it, and by agitating the psyche patients, he got the "authorization" to tackle their butts and strap them down, because he would rather be a mindless barbarian, then a real leader, a concrete block for a mind.

A concrete block is an effective weapon, if no one sees it before you strike, his specialty.

Concrete blocks should be used for building homes, nothing else.

What I saw troubled me by seeing that which is why I always hated working with him.

I prefer intelligence over violence, any day of the week, and intelligent use of tactics.

You can lead with one gun, or through politics, you can lead many men with guns.

He was not a natural born leader, he was instead a monster, leading only himself.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by thewind
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there is no "New World Order", it is instead a psychological operation
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Wow, it only took you 2 decades to learn that? The term "new world order" was a nomenclature given to a mindset coined by a global elite who in reality are directing their true definitive definition which is actually a "new way of thinking".


Yes, only two decades, but since you're a newer member, and unlike others who know me, I will explain to you why.

I began learning at the age of six those keywords, "New World Order".

I spent twenty years hunting that ghost.

At about the age of twenty-five or twenty-six, I finally figured it all out.


Originally posted by thewind
Once a new way of thinking was established, they renamed their agenda to the new world order. I can't believe that it really took you 20+ years to figure that out. There is a new world order and there are real people behind it.


You are partially correct in that it was an effective agenda.

Yes, a new way of thinking, and an established methodology, fear can control.

There is nothing more than smoke and mirrors, shell games, Three Card Monte.

By playing shadow games, they have forced us to shadow box, and it is a false entity.

Read my replies to endisnighe, you will enjoy it, as well as see my reasoning and their pattern.



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Namaste
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Raze the whole town! Maybe... lol

I would be happy without the idoltry all around my town. Everytime the man comes to town he get's a big old procession and the likes. They may as well just have a parade in his honor when he visits.

Why no coffee?


I would leave town if I knew Dick Cheney was in my town.

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat.

I just cannot stand evil people, and I smell evil rolling off of him, like mustard gas.

I just have never enjoyed coffee, I have tried it many times, as a child and teenager.

I prefer soda, water, lemonade, I do not need caffeine to function.

Some of it sure smells good.

[edit on 16-1-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]





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