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Why defuse bombs - BLOW THEM UP !

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posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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Something no one has mentioned so far...liquid nitrogen, We always carry a canister and sprayer whenever we execute a search warrant for a gang hangout or upper level drug house. If you freeze it, the battery stops working and most explosive wont go off if the are -100-300F. Keep in mind that I a just a patrolman not a bomb expert.

Secure




posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Thanks for the info! I'd read about that before somewhere. Very cunning



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by davesidious
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Unless you know the strength of the explosives, you can't possibly estimate how much water you'll need to suppress the blast. Also, carrying tankers full of water around in the desert is not always a good idea, especially if people are trying to kill you. My reference to 9/11 was indeed to pour scorn on you, as your rather pathetic guesses as to how EOD soldiers have been wrong over the last 50 years. Encasing a bomb in water bags is no guarantee. What if there is a secondary charge that detonates after the primary explosion? What if there is a shaped charge that will simply tear right through the water, skewering the EOD worker with shards of copper? What if it's a dirty bomb, and the explosion launches a column of irradiated steam into the atmosphere, which rains down on the surrounding countryside, and seeps into the ground water? It's impossible to know the exact nature of a bomb when it's armed and in the field. It has to be disarmed then forensically examined to know the composition of the explosives, the detonation device, any booby traps, and any other nasty surprises it has in store. Your cowboy-esque notion of just riding in on horseback, throwing some water on the bomb, blowing it up, then riding off into the sunset is fantastically ignorant. You clearly know nothing of EOD, and yet wade in with almighty arrogance, condemning the work, and character, of EOD soldiers the world over.

The soldiers know about water. They choose not to use it as you prescribe, as they know more than you.

Read your Afghan history. Please. You are so mindlessly ignorant of it it's disgusting. 'Thousands of years'? 'Endless war with anybody and everybody'? Wow that's totally incorrect. It wasn't even a country until 1747, and in its existence has been attacked countless times by external players (and never declared war on anyone else). Poverty and being used as a buffer state (hosting various proxy wars in the process) between the west and the Soviets has screwed the country over, but that doesn't matter to you.

You, after all, know more about everything than everyone else in the world. Afghan history, EOD, you name it - beckybecky is the master.


You are being absurds with your "ifs".

What if you get hit by a bus? what if what if? what nonsense.

tankers carrying water can be used as a bullet shield as mythbusters on proved even high velocity bullets will not penetrate more then 3 feet max.

guarantees? any guarantee your ticker won't stop today..?


knowing the exact nature of the bomb is useless knowledge suitable for game of trivial pursuits among bomb defusers.

how many of these bomb planters have been arrested....ZERO.

knowing where a bomb was made proves nothing.a al-quida could make it from usa components ripped from usa computer hardware.

they could easily put a label in "made in antartica..."

just useless info for politicians to make wild accusations at anyone.

do you really think if iran was making these bombs they would leave clues behind? do you everyone is stupi.

as regards afghanistan its surface is bigger then europe due to the mountains.it has trillion nooks and cranies.

the brits could not conqur it...then the russions with a million men over 14 years could not conqur it.

do you really think usa/uk with 0.1 million men could conqur it.

this is what happen when you watch too many power point presentations.

look what happened yesterday...10 suicide bombers caused a billion dollars worth of damage.

total barbarians.

we should pull out turn europe and america into fortresses with the trillions of dollars being wasted over there and leave the afghans to their own devices.

it is no concern of ours.it is impossible to civilize someone who does not want to civilized.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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I was going to keep away, but he/she/it keeps coming back with more garbage I couldn't resist!


Originally posted by beckybecky
tankers carrying water can be used as a bullet shield as mythbusters on proved even high velocity bullets will not penetrate more then 3 feet max.


Ahh, there is the answer everyone has been looking for. Just take off the steel armour on the humvee's and land rovers, then cover them in water bags. Oila! Invinceable soldiers.. After all, if Mythbusters said it...


Originally posted by beckybecky
guarantees? any guarantee your ticker won't stop today..?


Any guarantee you'll listen and stop behaving like a fool?


Originally posted by beckybecky
knowing the exact nature of the bomb is useless knowledge suitable for game of trivial pursuits among bomb defusers.


No it isn't. If anything, it is useful should you come across the same bomb design again. Then you know how to quickly disarm it and you even know the same bomb maker is active in a region.


Originally posted by beckybecky
how many of these bomb planters have been arrested....ZERO.


Loads, actually. British forces in Afghanistan spend an awfully large amount of time chasing after bomb makers and raiding their "factories". Just because it isn't on the 6 O'clock news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.


Originally posted by beckybecky
knowing where a bomb was made proves nothing.a al-quida could make it from usa components ripped from usa computer hardware.


Al-qaeda? pfft... Who are they? They are not the ones fighting in AG. Stop watching FOX and learn what is actually happening.


Originally posted by beckybecky
they could easily put a label in "made in antartica..."


They're not looking for a "made for label" you dolt. They are looking for design characteristics, forensic evidence, that sort of thing.


Originally posted by beckybecky
do you really think if iran was making these bombs they would leave clues behind? do you everyone is stupi.


Iran has notning to do with AG either. No-one has ever claimed so. In fact, in 2001 and 2002, they helped the US capture AQ and Taliban militants crossing the border. Stop making up BS to back your (flimsy) claims.


Originally posted by beckybecky
as regards afghanistan its surface is bigger then europe due to the mountains.it has trillion nooks and cranies.


Don't be so daft. Europeisn't flat and has more mountains than AG. Not to mention it is something like 50 times bigger anyway.


Originally posted by beckybecky
the brits could not conqur it...


Not true, actually. We cocked up the first time, but went back and kicked arse. Afghanistan was then a British puppet for quite some time after and served as a buffer between the British Empire and the Russian Empire.


Originally posted by beckybecky
then the russions with a million men over 14 years could not conqur it.


Russia did start well, but retreated to fire bases and lost the will to fight.


Originally posted by beckybecky
do you really think usa/uk with 0.1 million men could conqur it.


Done it already. What we're fighting now is a low level insurgency that themselves can't hold terriotory, whereas NATO and the ANA can.


Originally posted by beckybecky
this is what happen when you watch too many power point presentations.


God only knows what you've been watching.


Originally posted by beckybecky
look what happened yesterday...10 suicide bombers caused a billion dollars worth of damage.


Really? A Billion $? Where? Show me!



Originally posted by beckybecky
we should pull out turn europe and america into fortresses with the trillions of dollars being wasted over there and leave the afghans to their own devices.

it is no concern of ours.it is impossible to civilize someone who does not want to civilized.


And where has anyone claimed we are trying to "civilise" them. They are already civilised, to think we need to change them is the height of arrogance if you ask me.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by beckybecky
knowing the exact nature of the bomb is useless knowledge suitable for game of trivial pursuits among bomb defusers.


No it isn't. If anything, it is useful should you come across the same bomb design again. Then you know how to quickly disarm it and you even know the same bomb maker is active in a region.


Very good point - take the troubles in the UK when the IRA was active, you probably only had a small number of very experienced bomb makers. So an expert could look at a device and either think ok some skinhead made a pipe bomb or 'this is interesting - I've seen this work before'.

Explosives are dangerous by their very nature and to build a bomb is pretty much the most dangerous thing you could spend your time on! - So a bomb maker will either blow himself up accidentally or grow old by sticking to the habits he learnt on all the days his face didn't go into orbit - ergo each device has a 'fingerprint' of knowledge - and your average professional bomb disposal expert could read that device in the same way he would read your expression as he blatantly drinks your pint of beer
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Bomb disposal takes nads the size of pumpkins!



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by davesidious
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Thanks for the info! I'd read about that before somewhere. Very cunning


Last time the Hazmat team showed up for a bomb all they did spray it with liquid nitrogen using a robot and then pick it up and stick it in a cold transport container.

Secure



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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OK, I can see your level of ignorance on this topic, that you're arguing from passion and not facts.

Firstly, bomb makers are arrested routinely. here's a link to a raid on a bomb factory less than a month ago, netting the arrest of 6 people, and the seizure of lots of equipment.

There is always information left when a bomb is made. It's unavoidable.

The rest of your post is paranoid, hateful rubbish.

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The Russians also got a serious blow dealt when the US gave stinger missiles to the Afghan fighters - their attack and transport helicopters were suddenly very vulnerable, causing the Russians to rely more on ground transportation, slowing them down and levelling the playing field for whole swathes of the countryside.

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That sounds awfully risky! Wow!



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Ummmm, I thought they wore protection?




posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:33 PM
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Doesn't protect you completely. The shockwave will still travel through you, if the shrapnel does not and can cause major internal injury, without any external injuries being seen. If the bomb was big enough, it's going to rip you apart no matter what you wear.



posted on Jan, 23 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Doesn't protect you completely. The shockwave will still travel through you, if the shrapnel does not and can cause major internal injury, without any external injuries being seen. If the bomb was big enough, it's going to rip you apart no matter what you wear.



any bombers caught are released again as there no jurisdiction...

You are wrong again and arguing from ego tripping presumption rather than fact.

shrapnel cannot travel very fast or far through water due to it non hydrodynamic shape...

try swimming through water faster then 15 mpg.

the bum bomber proves me right.the prince was unharmed even though the bomber STOOD RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.think about it.

water absorbed the shockwave and the card board/paper had no marking or rips in the q e d experiment...

it is almost as if you don't want people to be not protected against bombs...who side are you on...the talibans?

very suspicious.


make no mistake America will defeat and destroy the enemies of freedom,democracy and justice.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by beckybecky]



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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to whomever cares... the robots arent cheap and even then they arent 100 percent effective. personally i think a human has a better chance of defusing a bomb thany anything



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Not all bombers are released. Jurisdiction is not a problem, as the security forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan are working with the governments, allowing suspected IED makers to be prosecuted. You say Al Qaeda are the enemies of justice, and then you call for due process to be eliminated when it's convenient for you? Hypocrisy.

Shrapnel might be slowed down, but there is no guarantee that it will stop everything, especially the shock wave (which travels through water better than air). Trusting on that, and then detonating the bomb, is a ridiculous idea. All intel is lost, and whatever surprises the bomb has are detonated, too.

Protecting the EOD guys means allowing them the best means to defeat a bomb, which requires intelligence on the types of devices used to detonate bombs, the composition of the explosives, their shape, etc. All of that is lost, endangering future disposal efforts. It is you who is arguing against protecting the EOD teams. They know what they are doing, but you assume you know better. Strange.

If you think Al Qaeda hates freedom, democracy, and justice, then you're sorely ill-informed about their goals. Also, I think you'll find a long list of how the US has subverted freedom, democracy, and justice throughout its history, so it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Learn your history - from your other posts, it's clear that you haven't got a clue.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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You are both wrong.The soldiers are too close to the scene to see the truth and blindly follow their political masters and die just to provide therm with somer rhetroic.

The jailed bombers are released after paying a few pounds the corrupt prison officials or the jail is exploded by helpers.

the places are ramshackle,shoddy and have no complex transparent democratic processes.

they r chaotic and lawless.

everyone is corrupt,karazai,the police,the servants and the officials.
you cannot have order in a disorder choatic place.



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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All I can say is WOW.

The sheer ignorance on display here in this thread is stunning.


Anyway: PROTIP: People tend to put bombs in places where it would be inconvenient to their enemies if they were to explode. That's kind of the whole point of bombs.



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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You don't know what you are talking about. Please cite some sources for your fevered gibberish, or simply leave this thread. You are embarrassing yourself greatly.



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 08:24 AM
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Yes Becky you are so true.We are tired of having these people blown by bombs.It is wrong to defuse them and the stupid excuses given for political expediency.Just so some smug politician can mouth off accusations.

This bit of debris was made in Iran so Iran must have made it.

Hey! This bit came from Canada so you Canadians are aiding and abetting terrorists.

I mean it is so so stupid to point accuse someone on such stupid evidence.

Components can come from anywhere.A billion $$$ black market in arms and components fueled by scum politicians.

We don't need to learn about bombs.We know already bombs explode and kill.Just blow them up.

Your idea about the water bags is awesome and I wish the Neanderthals would stop being luddities and move on and adopt it.

I see that your detractors have ignored the anal bomber because that would defeat them.


Shame on you for being underhanded against Becky.


Becky I think you are very brave.



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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How very sad it is to see a dead Squadie who, by all accounts did his job and did it bl**dy well is now refered to as "stupid". I would not like to take a guess on how many lives he saved, and he is "stupid"?

Manners prevent me from indicationg whom I look upon as stupid in this post.

For your own sake, do not repeat that in a wet mess.



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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That's not why they defuse bombs. Wow the ignorance on this board is ridiculously high.

They defuse the bombs so they know the capabilities of the bombs. They can then see where they are assembled (not just where the components come from, as you pointed out - that information is not that helpful in the field), which gives the forces information on where the bombs are made, and by whom. They also defuse the bombs to safely dispose of them. Why blow them up? That's what the bombers WANT - to destroy property and scare folks.

You are clueless, just like beckybecky. It's sad. You are lacking some very basic logic, getting all emotional, then spewing the resulting rubbish all over ATS for everyone to see.



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 09:01 AM
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Hi!

How many accounts do you have here on ATS? Seems you haven't posted that much in the past and your writing 'style' is very similar to Beckybecky's?

Peace!



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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How can you tell where a hand made defused bomb was made by looking at it?
Do they leave a message in it?



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