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What would Obama have to do in order for you to think he was a good president?

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posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by thenothingorchid
It's all in the first title. People criticize him for not doing enough. People criticize him for doing too much. People criticize him for doing things he said he was going to do in his campaign. People criticize him for changing his stance on certain topics. My question to the weird influx of "intellectual Republicans and Conservatives" on ATS is just this....What, in your eyes, SHOULD he do? What would he have to do in order for you to respect him as your president? And please....Keep it realistic.


All I feel he has to do is keep it real with all who supoprt him and who see him as a leader and not lie. If he knows we are about to go through some major disaster tell us let us take our own paths to preserve and protect if it was possible.

Keep doing his best and not try to make everybody happy for thats impossible for him to do and would cause problems later in the future.

Never get an ego. KEEP BEING A ROLE MODEL FOR THE WORLD and dodge the transmigrating force that wants a superior leader to incarnate within to become the ANTI 1.



Keep it real? He wasn't elected to "keep it real". he was elected to help fix this country and not to "keep it real"




posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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What would make Obama a good president? The truth for once would be nice. Still waiting to see his "real" birth certificate. If he can distance himself from TPTB, and actually tell the truth for a change, maybe he would get a little credibility. But alas, he is a politician...nuff said.



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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That was well said, you have a good perspective there and don't take sides in that post. I wrote a huge post but I just cut most of it away.

As efficient as the new health care and new monetary system will someday be, continuance of codes and rules - It really does come down to freedom in the end. Freedom is harder work than slavery sometimes. This country and this society are so far from anything resembling freedom these days. Our minds are overthrown by ideas of rigid structure, superficial judgement, good and evil, the joys of efficiency, a know-it-all attitude towards life itself...

But for a lot of people who are in defiance of the way things are, it really does come down to freedom... The arguments that freedom will bring prosperity are beside the point. And I think it's easy to get caught up in the intellectual discussion on the points and forget at the end of the day this is really about one thing: FREEDOM!

We really don't have much freedom in health care even now (which makes it all even funnier how people weren't up in arms over the current situation with insurance companies and the medical industry etc.). All you can do is listen to what your doctor tells you. And he or she can tell you anything. We are already at the mercy of the insurance companies that decide what they will pay for, the CDC etc., and the doctors anyway.

But our bodies do so much on their own. Life is such an amazing gift. That's really all I should say there - we have so much to be thankful for if we want to get technical about it all.

I am happy to be with YOU and will see you THERE.
Good luck and always remember to breathe!



posted on Jan, 17 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Apparently for the above gentleman, I should state my qualifications to discuss American politics: I was born in Canada, educated in the United States and I now live in the United Kingdom. I am a journalist for a major news source, and I cover international politics for a living. I have two undergraduate degrees and one graduate degree all from American universities, and my wife-to-be is American. Are we good? Cool.

The Haiti response has done a great deal to endear President Obama in my eyes. This response from the United States is incredible and I do hope it works! As I said before, if he can continue to just keep holding his line, and getting things done, brilliant. So yes, Haiti is proof positive that Obama is bringing the United States back to being the "good guy" image that your country has worked hard to build for themselves. Welcome back to the moral side of history! Cheers!



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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You two media propagandists just couldn't help yourselves could you? You had to post "Off Topic, Pro-Obama Propaganda" in this thread. Our negative messages must have struck a chord or two in you. This is good. And since you propagandists will endeavor to stray off topic in support of Obama then I will stray a bit in support of my cause as well. It is about time that the so-called elites opened themselves up for discussion and debate. Our times must truly be as dire as I feared. But since your kind finds it so necessary to promote your credentials before presenting your ideals, I will endeavor to do so as well.

I am a U.S. Navy veteran, a pre-engineering student, and a former graphic designer for a newspaper, but above all, I am a Roman Catholic. I know a little thing or two about propaganda and politics myself, but no, not as much as yourselves.

So let us attempt to begin...

You and I both know that Obama is nothing. You and I both know that he does what he is told. So why all the games? Well, it is because you, not I, feel that I am not worthy of the greater truths of life. That I (and the millions like me) cannot handle the truth. But you are wrong. I (and the masses like me) handle the end results of your actions and the decisions of the global elite every single day. I (and the millions like me) are not the utter fools that you take us for, or else you would not have been prompted to respond to this thread as off topic as you have. Yes, you now think that you may have taken the bait. But that is not true. There was no bait to take. You simply realized that the situation now calls for debate about the truth. As you know, propaganda can only take you so far. In the end, it is a battle of ideas that must be decided, and that is the point that we have reached. It is time for the elite to begin to include we, the masses, in your plans.

I (and the millions of Americans like me) are more educated today than at any other time in history. Today, I am told that America has more colleges per capita than anywhere else in the world for a country of its size. And yet, you determine me (and the millions of others like me) to be unworthy of knowing the true goals of your global agenda. You want me as a loyal servant, but you do your best to feed me lies while constantly withholding the truth. I am only worthy of slavery in your eyes, but your needs require more of me now don't they?

If the globalists agenda is truly noble, then isn't it worthy of praise? Should President Bush Sr. be the only one of you who is proud enough of the “New World Order” to speak it's name aloud? If your grand plan is so needed, such that lies must be told in order to cover up its deeds, then is not stating the truth a better plan? Would it not be more efficient to include us in your grand plan than it is to constantly fill us with lies and lead us astray? For I shall endeavor to prove that your fears of revealing the truth are baseless and that the better plan is to include us, instead of making me (and the millions of others like me), your friends, the enemy.

Would you but entertain us the chance of convincing you? Are we only worthy of the convoluted questions designed to get the information needed to design the next stage of widespread propaganda? The answer is no, we are worth far more than that, if you would but give us half a chance.

The ball is in your court...

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Hot_Wings]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hot_Wings
reply to post by ProjectJimmy
 


You two media propagandists just couldn't

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The ball is in your court...

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Hot_Wings]


All that because the guy is a journalist? He's said it before.

Your post is completely off topic, and rude.

Calm down man.

Ziggy Strange

[edit on 18-1-2010 by ziggystrange]



posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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reply to post by thenothingorchid
 


I am surprised nobody has said the obvious answer.

Resign, now!




posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 01:45 AM
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Wow mate, that's quite a lot. I'm not quite sure where to start. I only stated my credentials for commenting on American politics because a fellow Briton was bashed for discussing it earlier in the thread. So I wanted to state first and foremost that I am versed in the subject, and have experienced live in the United States. I quite like it actually, especially this winter, I wish I was back!

I did stay on topic and comment on what I think President Obama should do to keep me pleased with him as a leader, twice in fact. I'm not lying to you, I do like him as a president. He's not the greatest in my book, that honor would go to FDR, but he's doing quite a reasonable job.

Down to the meat of your argument however, you seem to feel that I am part of a global conspiracy. While I am flattered that you believe me so powerful, I'm really not. Trust me if I could, there are a lot of things I would change in global politics. I don't think you understand exactly how big such a conspiracy would have to actually be to work the way you think it does. There are literally thousands, if not tens of thousands of people that would have to be convinced to maintain such a lie. On top of this we would all have to be given orders from some sort of central location, very regularly, in order to keep our stories straight. I'm not just talking about the reporters themselves that would have to be in on this. Editors, anchors, producers, directors, every level of corporate and every level of tech would have to be in on the job. None of them could ever have an attack of morality and come forward, that's just not at all a reasonable proposition. The vast majority of journalists I know are obsessed with facts, figures and creating a record of truth. You'd have to work quite amazing magic to get all of us to give up on that!

What you are accusing me of is baseless and fundamentally untrue. This will be all I say in this thread about such though. Your ideas are off topic and should you want to hash them out more, I'd be glad to, but in a different thread. I'm not at all lying about my views on President Obama. I wish him, and you, nothing but the best.

Edit: Oh and a thank you to Ziggy Strange, cheers mate!

[edit on 19-1-2010 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 01:49 AM
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If god was president, right wingers would have a problem with him. They would say "Yea, he's a good president. But do you ever think he's to good of a president?" They don't really want to change anything, they are the real life equivalent to what we on the internet call a troll.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 01:55 AM
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Umm. That has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever read.
Thats all.
Peace.

On topic- The best thing he can do is to just be honest, open, and transparant. The things he promised he would be.
But I do not see that happening. Ever.
So IMO, he already sealed his fate.
The first year of your presidency should be the year where you shine, his brass needs polished.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 02:14 AM
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For your info, the guy was bashed for posting off topic and what I noticed to be about 15 fallacious arguments.

One he admitted, that you are trying to defend, about health care.

And hot wings did not insinuate you were a knowledgeable component of some great cabal, he was stating elitist intellectuals are complicit in the actions of the NWO in general.

For someone supposedly so knowledgeable in politics, you are quite THICK when it comes to a WHOLE 4-5 paragraph straight forward RANT.

Again you post off topic and expect us to feel sorry for someone else posting off topic to praise the dear leader. I praise hot wings for picking up on it. I saw the guy I accused of fallacies, but missed yours entirely. Well now someone else has smelled the flavor of fear and have come a calling. Do you now feel with Obama's absolute lack of transparency and lies the American People should still give him carte blanche?

I would really like to hear your VIEWS on the Dems and Obama granting exemptions to taxes for the government employees and the unions. Everyone else, except for the elitists and the unions will have to pay this new health care tax.

How do feel about that? Or how about keeping Gitmo open? How about Renditions? How about two wars? How about fraud and collusion with banks?

Why don't you go and try and sell your snake oil to people that will believe your lies.

The endisnighe!



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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Alright, seriously where am I lying? The topic is "What would Obama have to do in order for you to think he was a good president?" I said he should stick to his guns, and keep doing what he is doing. Then I said that his response in Haiti impressed me, and he should keep it up. That is all. Do I like the idea of healthcare reform and a public option? Of course I do, I've made no bones that I am a bloody Socialist. I voted Liberal in Canada and when I get my UK citizenship, I'll probably vote Labour (well maybe I will go with the Liberal Democrats if Labour keeps mucking it up).

I am very progressive.
I like President Obama.
I loathe Libertarianism.
I like big government.
I think progressive income taxes are a good thing.
I think Ayn Rand was insane.
I support the United Nations.
I support the nationalization of failing, but essential, businesses.
I believe healthcare is a human right.
I believe in a woman's right to choose.
I believe the recession will end.
I think globalization is a process and it can be used for good or evil.
I believe in separation of church and state.

Now that we have covered the controversial issues:

You do not have to agree with me, it really is fine if you don't. Dissent is patriotic; discourse makes democracy stronger. Just because I defend a political official that I agree with on a great many (but not all) things, you call me a liar. I live by my beliefs and I would die for them as well.

However, this thread, is not about me. It is about the President of the United States of America. I've allowed this ad-hominem attack to go on long enough. My part of it ends here. Also I will add a bit more to the conversation as it was before: After thinking about it there is one major issue that President Obama could do that would make me happier with him, he should take on what has long been a pet issue of mine, and put an end to capital punishment in the United States. At least back a bill doing that, it would go a long way in my mind.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 03:04 AM
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I am glad you did not answer any of my questions.

So you approve of

1) Rendition
2) Keeping Gitmo open
3) Fraud with the banks
4) Elitists in government and unions not having to pay taxes that everyone else has to
5) You approve of WAR for no purpose
6) You believe people in government do not have to be transparent in their actions

Thanks for playing the fallacy game.

Now where is that sand so I can stick my head in it also!


[edit on 1/19/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
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I am glad you did not answer any of my questions.

So you approve of

1) Rendition
2) Keeping Gitmo open
3) Fraud with the banks
4) Elitists in government and unions not having to pay taxes that everyone else has to
5) You approve of WAR for no purpose
6) You believe people in government do not have to be transparent in their actions

Thanks for playing the fallacy game.

Now where is that sand so I can stick my head in it also!


[edit on 1/19/2010 by endisnighe]


Alright fine, point by point:

Rendition: No, I do not support this at all, no matter how much oversight there is, ever.

Guantanamo Bay: I support keeping the prison at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base open only until all of the detainees can be transferred to other centers or released if and only if they are found to be no danger.

Fraud With Banks: I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here. I support the bailout, it was needed. I also support the oversight that Obama has had over the banks that received the bailouts. I don't really think he's done anything wrong here. The banks on the other hand, deserve a lot of blame.

Unions and Government employees paying the healthcare tax: No, I don't think this was a good compromise. Personally I think that the United States should just simply phase in a national healthcare coverage plan. I think that healthcare is a duty of government.

The Wars: According to President Obama the United States has a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq. I am going to reserve my judgment on that war to see if he follows through on it. As for Afghanistan, keep on punching America! We Brits and Canadians are right there with you. America was attacked on 9-11, she has every right to defend herself. As her best allies, the UK and Canada are right there. The moral responsibility now rests in President Obama's ability to direct and coordinate the war in a competent and expedient manner. I hope he can.

Transparency: I can speak from personal experience that the Obama Administration has been several shades more transparent than the Bush Administration was. Do I believe that the people have a right to hear absolutely everything that the president does? Absolutely not! Issues of national security and safety will always dictate that some things are kept behind closed doors. I understand this, and as a journalist I will keep working to bring as much as I can forward to the people. I am quite happy with their transparency thus far though, as I said, my job has been a lot easier when dealing with them than it was under Bush.

Those are my views on the issue. Rendition is a big one, I will admit, and it does need to stop, now. However the others, honestly I think that the death penalty is a bigger moral issue to me right now. Everyone has their pet cause I'd guess, but with the other things not so much of a horrid thing, or moving in the right direction such as Guantanamo Bay and (hopefully) the withdrawing from Iraq, I think it's time.

[edit on 19-1-2010 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:24 PM
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Thank you for the kind words in my defense. I appreciate them. I know all too well that there are many of us who not only see the evil deeds of our employee, Obama, but also speak against them and hold others to account.

The so-called elite think that we do not know the signs of what is to come. They think that because we do not have access to the research information of our sun, planet, and solar system that we are fools about the future and therefore pawns to be manipulated. The newly constructed seed bank in Norway we do not speak of. We do not speak about why it is so needed. What dire certainties have arose that make the extravagant expense so necessary. The false flag of 911 was not just for oil, no, far be it from just that. The middle east is just a temporary affair from my point of view. It was far greater than that my friends. Need I say the word we all know, but choose to forget. Apophis.

If you do not know it, then I will tell you that a large asteroid is headed straight for earth. This asteroid was predicted and seen from observations. Its trajectory it is said had at one time the greatest chance of striking the earth of any recorded object thus far. But don't believe the lies. This asteroid will strike the earth I do believe. That is why it is named Apophis, the Egyptian God of Destruction.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Wikipedia article mentions that NASA originally calculated its effects at 1480 megatons of TNT. Krakatoa was 200 megatons. But its not just the 1400 megatons, its where they are set off that is the key.

upload.wikimedia.org...

This picture shows all to clearly that the asteroid will most likely impact the pacific ocean.

The Book of Revelation speaks of the following:

Then I watched while the Lamb broke open the first of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures cry out in a voice like thunder, "Come forward." I looked, and there was a white horse, and its rider had a bow. He was given a crown, and he rode forth victorious to further his victories. When he broke open the second seal, I heard the second living creature cry out, "Come forward." Another horse came out, a red one. Its rider was given power to take peace away from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another. And he was given a huge sword.

The Book of Revelation states that War (in my opinion) will be what happens first. Then a while later, the book says this

Then I watched while he broke open the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; the sun turned as black as dark sackcloth and the whole moon became like blood. The stars in the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs shaken loose from the tree in a strong wind. Then the sky was divided like a torn scroll curling up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. The kings of the earth, the nobles, the military officers, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid themselves in caves and among mountain crags. They cried out to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come and who can withstand it?"
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First war, then a great earthquake that will move every mountain and island from its place. Notice the time line, first a great war, then everyone who can, especially the rich and powerful hide themselves in caves. Why? They must know that something is coming. For all the rich and powerful to move to caves takes planning doesn't it?

Then the Book says this...

When he broke open the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw that the seven angels who stood before God were given seven trumpets. Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne. The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

Then the angel took the censer, filled it with burning coals from the altar, and hurled it down to the earth. There were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. The seven angels who were holding the seven trumpets prepared to blow them.

When the first one blew his trumpet, there came hail and fire mixed with blood, which was hurled down to the earth. A third of the land was burned up, along with a third of the trees and all green grass. When the second angel blew his trumpet, something like a large burning mountain was hurled into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships were wrecked.

When the third angel blew his trumpet, a large star burning like a torch fell from the sky. It fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The star was called "Wormwood," and a third of all the water turned to wormwood. Many people died from this water, because it was made bitter. When the fourth angel blew his trumpet, a third of the sun, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them became dark. The day lost its light for a third of the time, as did the night. Then I looked again and heard an eagle flying high overhead cry out in a loud voice, "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth from the rest of the trumpet blasts that the three angels are about to blow!"
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And what eagle do you think would be flying? Air Force One perhaps? Yes, it is obvious that the Book of Revelation is describing the events of a a large asteroid impact. One that in my opinion, the rich and powerful all ready know about. This is why, In my opinion, that war breaks out first, before the asteroid hits. It would only be natural if the governments of the world knew who were going to be destroyed and who were going to be safe, that every government on earth would be at war fighting, not for politics, but their very survival. It will unfortunately, and most likely, be total war.

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posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 10:27 PM
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But God has all ready told the wise what will happen, hasn't he. Thank you God. I want to be a better servant my Lord and God, please give me the strength.

The world will first go to war, and I believe very soon. If it is now just 5 years before we do this I would be surprised. I hope that it is 10 years at least, but it is God's choice, and no one will know the hour he has said. But what has God told us that matches with what we know today. Firstly that an asteroid is coming to hit the earth, and not just any asteroid, but one that will strike the ocean, and one that will damage a third of the world. The Apophis asteroid, in my opinion, fits the bill too nicely. As well, it is said in the Bible that the asteroid will be called the destroyer, and so this one is. The Egyptian god of destruction is its official name, Apophis.

The elite can pretend that we are fools, but as I said. God has all ready told his followers what will happen. Easy to see now why our government cares nothing for the national debt. In short, they know they will not have to repay it, and there is much to do in preparation. So, the elite can choose not to include us if they want, but that is OK, the followers of God all ready know, perhaps more than they do, what will happen, and more importantly, what to do about it. Turn to God with all your heart and soul and mind.

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posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Can I just start with asking what that had to do at all with President Obama? Is he an asteroid now? You bring the Roman Catholic church into a lot of these, let's call fringe at best, theories. However I think you'd be quite hard pressed to find a Catholic theologian who agrees with your interpretation.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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What would Obama have to do in order for you to think he was a good president?

easy,
RESIGN!
as soon as possible.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Resign.

Second line.



posted on Jan, 20 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
reply to post by endisnighe
 



I am very progressive.
I like President Obama.
I loathe Libertarianism.
I like big government.
I think progressive income taxes are a good thing.
I think Ayn Rand was insane.
I support the United Nations.
I support the nationalization of failing, but essential, businesses.
I believe healthcare is a human right.
I believe in a woman's right to choose.
I believe the recession will end.
I think globalization is a process and it can be used for good or evil.
I believe in separation of church and state.



Wow. You live in a lot of fear.

I feel for you, Jimmy.



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