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The cold truth about alien abductions and the new age.

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posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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'Visitor' huh? Wake up and smell the mutiliated cows man. You think this is a big game of diplomacy and a chance to 'form a bond with another civilization and live side by side with them'? You obviously just attacked my personal views and religious beliefs instead of even looking at all the cases of abductions, like I said, use Google, buy some books, the testimony and evidence of the abductee is which shows these things for what they are. If these things are abducting our citizens our fellow human beings in creation then of course the military has a right to shoot the bloody rats down, end of story, they should know better being an intelligent ant race. regardless if it brings a tear to your eye. Any government that wouldn't would be one hell of an incompetent one. Nothing wrong with burning a few aliens, but it is a sin to kill another human regardless if they're ignorant and gullible ones who have their heart in the right place, but their mind in the stars and think they can be friends with a cold, indifferent piece of interdimensional space sh1t.
I understand you may enjoy the concept of 'peace and light', but really, theres others who have been in the 'game' and I take what they have told me and from what I have seen rather than giving 'it' the benefit of the doubt. And who says keeping UFO's out of sovereign airspace is 'waging a war'? I call it self defense. Also, don't play the 'hatred and ignorance' card, your optimism takes a back seat to the cold wash testimony and evidence of abductees and whistleblowers. But keep asking those UFO's to 'show a sign to you' and you may find out the hard way on what is what.




posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 05:40 AM
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And don't try and say 'its fear mongering'. Because that horse radish, people need to know the truth and what is going on around the planet. This is why disclosure will never come, it would fawk people up like you and spoil your fanatasy. Men, women, and children are being abducted and experimented on against their will. That is what appears to be happening, and that is the truth. If you call that fear mongering, and some how try to tie that in as being apart of religious history to make it look like a religious reflection then rather than a logical observed one, then you sir are one cold atheist with an agenda.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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Alright stop,

Hammertime.

What do you think Jesus H. Christ would say if he were about today Moonman?

Do you think he'd call to arms every human and have us fight off these vile aliens demonic bar stewards?

Would he perform some of that messiah mambo-jambo on them in some sort of miracle?

Would he say to us "Hey guys, this is were I spent my teenage years and early adulthood, get over it - they're cool"

Or would he say "FATHER!!!! WHY DID YOU CREATE THESE VILE BEINGS AND THEN GIVE US THE ABILITY TO THINK??!!?? WE KNOW NOT WHAT WE DO??!!?!!"

Only asking as I'm fairly certain that the first actions of townies is to reject those outsiders - but the townies will happily soak up the lecky, healthcare and every other benefit whilst defiling the name of those who provide it.

-m0r



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 05:43 AM
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I have no idea where you are getting your claims from. The New Age that I know of doesn't mention anything about aliens, ascension, or 5th dimensions. What you are reading is the new versions not always the correct versions. If you want to know about the REAL new age, read an Alice Bailey book, Anna Kingsford, The Golden Dawn, and C.G.Jung. Those people have their heads screwed on tight and they were one of the firsts to tell people about the new age. They talk about the bible having a ton of symbolism in it, and what they mean, can't take the bible literally that's where people make their first mistake. They talk about the correct way to meditate, and to heal yourself. That's the real new age, not this aliens are our friends and blah, blah, blah. Sorry but I don't buy it. Good Luck to you though.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by m0r1arty
Alright stop,

Hammertime.

What do you think Jesus H. Christ would say if he were about today Moonman?

Do you think he'd call to arms every human and have us fight off these vile aliens demonic bar stewards?

Would he perform some of that messiah mambo-jambo on them in some sort of miracle?

Would he say to us "Hey guys, this is were I spent my teenage years and early adulthood, get over it - they're cool"

Or would he say "FATHER!!!! WHY DID YOU CREATE THESE VILE BEINGS AND THEN GIVE US THE ABILITY TO THINK??!!?? WE KNOW NOT WHAT WE DO??!!?!!"

Only asking as I'm fairly certain that the first actions of townies is to reject those outsiders - but the townies will happily soak up the lecky, healthcare and every other benefit whilst defiling the name of those who provide it.

-m0r


Jesus said our main fight was against that which we cannot see, and also a battle that is within us, against principles. But what I can tell you is aliens are abducting PEOPLE. WAKE UP, quit trying to just attack my Christian views and use common sense, hell theres atheists who even agree that UFO's are nothing but trouble, trying to shoot them down has nothing to do with religion on a logical concept. Maybe Christ already has worked his divinity on them and that's why they seem to be a dying race that can't produce their own reproduction organs
. And I don't know where the townies and outsiders and healthcare comment came from.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:06 AM
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Fair enough, I have no problem with meditation or alternative/psychic healing etc etc.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:08 AM
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Townie = you.

Outsiders = Aliens.

Outsiders have toys and stuff we've not seen before. Yay!

-m0r



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:17 AM
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Yes, shaking hands with them in exchange for technology makes them ey ok right? Selling morals and turning a blind eye to their behavior is ok if we get technology in exchange right? And I thought you were a good person deep down who just happened to have his heart on his sleeve. Nothing worst than an atheist who values technology more than human life. You're going to be in for a big wakeup call my friend.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:34 AM
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moonman, you still have yet to address why you feel it ok to extrapolate the behaviour of a portion of a race or species unto their entirety. We obviously have very divergent moralities and actions taking place within our species. For instance, Ghandi and NWO. You tell others to lookup encounters on google and use books, and there are several instances of them just making contact without ever abducting anyone. For instances

www.youtube.com...

and google "the day the aliens landed" which is an article about a documentary being made on the above video on www.witness.co.za



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Moonman1111

'Visitor' huh? Wake up and smell the mutiliated cows man. You think this is a big game of diplomacy and a chance to 'form a bond with another civilization and live side by side with them'?


Actually yes I do think that we have a great chance to form a bond with another civilisation and and live side by side with them. I do not need to be convinced that they are here as I am already convinced. I also do not buy into your theories that they mean us harm or that they see us as a resource to be used and discarded. You seem to have latched onto one or three stories of human mutilations and then decided that all aliens want to mutilate us.

Would the actions of a mass murderer in Spain mean that all Spanish people are mass murders?


Originally posted by Moonman1111
You obviously just attacked my personal views and religious beliefs instead of even looking at all the cases of abductions, like I said, use Google, buy some books, the testimony and evidence of the abductee is which shows these things for what they are.


I do not think I attacked your personal beliefs and religious beliefs and if I came across as doing so then I apologise for that as I am not one for inflicting negativity upon another if I can help it.

I respect another’s belief but when that belief seems to have become mutated as I see it and it starts to leak poison in that wishing death on another is something to be respected then I will stand up and deny ignorance. Your views are inextricably linked to your religious belief system and the combination is quite extreme. Yet you are affronted at my response to your posts but I am not allowed to feel offended by your urgings for inflicting death and suffering because you are ignorant of a species you have never met, never seen and have only literature to base an opinion on?

I think that I gently confronted the more militant aspects of your belief and the indication that you have been influenced by your religious book to assume that aliens are bad demons that want to suck out your colon. It is not personal I wish you no bad feeling and I have kept my tongue in a low gear while reading aghast at your posts in that other thread.

I did try and engage you in mature debate but your eyes seem blinded by your belief system so that you cannot see past what you are expected to believe.


Originally posted by Moonman1111If these things are abducting our citizens our fellow human beings in creation then of course the military has a right to shoot the bloody rats down, end of story, they should know better being an intelligent ant race.


Yes indeed and the big question is what the reasons for the abductions are if they are taking place. I am not naive I realise that there are many disappearances taking place and many people are never seen again so it is a possibility that we are being farmed but there is also one glaring fact that must be taken into context. We have no proof that extraterrestrials are doing this and what proof there is subjective – based upon eye witness testimony and documents that could be faked.

If extraterrestrials are farming us then it is they we should be focusing on them and not all extraterrestrials at large because you do not wish genocide upon a species because of a few regressive characters. Also you seem to want to assume that extraterrestrials are somehow a sub species and yet it is said in the contradictory again because you call them “rats” and an “ant race” but also you think they should know better because they are intelligent?


Originally posted by Moonman1111
regardless if it brings a tear to your eye. Any government that wouldn't would be one hell of an incompetent one.


I actually assume my government is at the very best incompetent and at the very worst a bunch of sociopathic self serving reptiles that should be dragged up on charges of fraud, treachery and – anything else that will stick because their actions have brought great suffering.

Also what brings a tear to my eye is the misery in the here and now that I can see whenever I drive my car or walk in the street. It is a real and tangible sense of misery among my fellows that they probably do not even realise they are exuding because they have been miserable for so long they probably do not know much else.

The knock on effects of these dark feelings are what brings a tear to my eye in that it is manifested as an insular and distrusting society that will turn away from a person in need of help because they fear “getting involved”.


Originally posted by Moonman1111
Nothing wrong with burning a few aliens, but it is a sin to kill another human regardless if they're ignorant and gullible ones who have their heart in the right place, but their mind in the stars and think they can be friends with a cold, indifferent piece of interdimensional space sh1t.


Would you light the torch that see’s them on their way? would you look into their eyes and smile as they burned or would you be happy to give the order and make sure you are nowhere in sight to smell the flesh burn or to hear the screams as they died? You are flippantly swift to advocate death and a painful death at that and you think it also incredible and wrong to think that a human and an alien could be friends.

Obviously my stance is as alien to you as yours is to mine. Who is the real alien my friend, one that travels between the stars or one that cannot comprehend that not all things devolve into violence and murder because of a difference in origin or religion or biology?

To refer to a species as faeces, a species you have never met, never seen and have only read about by way of educating yourself to their presence is an abhorrent and slippery slope into ignorance and once there it is not so easy to climb out. Instead of focusing on the negative aspects of the alien perhaps you can find the positive because it is out there – you just need to look. Everything has a negative side to it and you have in my opinion made a mistake in focusing only upon the negative and thus TPTB would be proud of you!



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Moonman1111I understand you may enjoy the concept of 'peace and light', but really, theres others who have been in the 'game' and I take what they have told me and from what I have seen rather than giving 'it' the benefit of the doubt.


I enjoy the concept of peace and light because the opposite is black hearted hate and intolerance.

I have seen it with my own eyes and been so close to it I have seen the light of life leave a person’s eyes and the questioning look is something that stays with a person for a very long time and infringes even upon sleep because it breaks your heart – if you have a heart.

I tell you this so that you can better understand why I reject all notions of gratuitous violence and words of ignorance and hate because there is too much or it and it is a plague on this world. Life is wasted in the blink of an eye and in that waste we may have lost something we will never regain because a modern Einstein or a modern Rembrandt was killed in the street because of a word or because of the colour of their skin or a million other hate filled, ignorance fuelled reasons sought to end a life for the slightest of reasons.

“Raise up the warrior, the general the leader, discard the poet, the thinker, and the humanist” – words for the new decade?

Yes my friend, I love peace and light and I would lay down my life to see it advance further but I live among a species of people that have come to expect that the blackness of life is all there is and so should not be bothered or concerned with striving to make the human condition a better more enlightened space.


Originally posted by Moonman1111
And who says keeping UFO's out of sovereign airspace is 'waging a war'? I call it self defense.


So, if you strike a UFO with a missile, killing the occupants and giving each other the high five for a job well done you do not think that an intelligent species will take that not as an act of love but as an act of war? It is not you that would judge the act, it is the people you just attacked that have the right to judge it and they would judge it as an act of aggression – an act of war. How they would respond would be an indication of how they should be defined as a people.


Originally posted by Moonman1111
Also, don't play the 'hatred and ignorance' card, your optimism takes a back seat to the cold wash testimony and evidence of abductees and whistleblowers.


I have read many accounts of abductees and whistleblowers also and I have not come away from those readings with a feeling that I should be concerned for my safety or the sovereignty of my vital organs. I am sorry you feel that I am playing the hatred and ignorance card but I am only saying it as I see it and I sincerely meant not to offend you but rather to nudge you back onto a more positive course rather than the one you are taking that leads inevitably to paranoia and unfounded fear? If you are happy to play host to your fear then I will give you the road and will watch silently in future.


Originally posted by Moonman1111
But keep asking those UFO's to 'show a sign to you' and you may find out the hard way on what is what.


I have already asked those UFO’s to show a sign to me and they answered me. The only “hard” consequence was the derision of my peers and the disbelief of my family – until my wife the eternal sceptic saw one with me one night as it hovered (actualy drifted) over our house.

I will be trekking the highlands alone soon enough, I will continue to do so until I find my answers.

I have no fear to trip me up!

*edit for spelling*

[edit on 13-1-2010 by SmokeJaguar67]



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by Split404
moonman, you still have yet to address why you feel it ok to extrapolate the behaviour of a portion of a race or species unto their entirety. We obviously have very divergent moralities and actions taking place within our species. For instance, Ghandi and NWO. You tell others to lookup encounters on google and use books, and there are several instances of them just making contact without ever abducting anyone. For instances

www.youtube.com...

and google "the day the aliens landed" which is an article about a documentary being made on the above video on www.witness.co.za


It's not that hard to figure out. You kill the aliens who come here. 'benevolent good aliens' will get the message and stay away. Only the pesky ones who love cow rectums will keep returning for more.
Also, I am more concerned and alarmed at UFO's landing by a playground by children than I am suprised. Also it would be wise to do a DNA test on all the children present, for maybe one or more of the children are hybrids or have a parent who is a hybrid.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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I'm concerned moreso about the folk that go into schools and teach about that big invisible guy that'll damn you forever if you get out of line - but he loves you too.

Deluded bunch to say the least. I mean watch porn at home, eat fattie foods all you want - but keep feeble minded ideas away from our children.

I'd rather have them eaten up by an alien than live of life of servitude to an imaginary social opium.

-m0r



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Moonman1111
It's not that hard to figure out. You kill the aliens who come here.


Why? Is there not enough killing going on all over this death world, when do we stop killing and start talking?


Originally posted by Moonman1111
'benevolent good aliens' will get the message and stay away.


Why would we want them to stay away? Would it not be better for humanity to engage them in sincere discourse, to shake their hand and give them an honest smile?


Originally posted by Moonman1111
Only the pesky ones who love cow rectums will keep returning for more.


Why would we want extraterrestrial rectum fetishists to return but wish to keep the benevolent extraterrestrials away?


Originally posted by Moonman1111
Also, I am more concerned and alarmed at UFO's landing by a playground by children than I am suprised.


I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that this is going to get very bad real quick and so I will not ask you why you are concerned about this.


Originally posted by Moonman1111
Also it would be wise to do a DNA test on all the children present, for maybe one or more of the children are hybrids or have a parent who is a hybrid.


Do you advise that we prepare the pyres before or after we start testing for hybrids?



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 07:18 AM
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I happen to think that we are ALL Gods and Goddesses in training. Let me explain that. I think of the GodHead as a duality or negative/positive energy, and male/female energy.
If, big word here, if we could all of us step right out of our human meatsuits and stand together in Unity for one second....we would be God as we think of God. Ever notice in the alien threads that the aliens are most interested in our souls, and our bodies are but "containers" to them? Oh, but they are careful about the soul, aren't they?

Mankind took a great Fall many, many years ago, down to the third dimension of time/space where we live right now. We have a chance to redeem ourselves in the coming years, if the people only wake up from the mind controlling nightmare that is organised religion in it's many forms. Science is only just scratching the surface of the incredible power of the human mind. Might I suggest that we help science along and look into our own minds?



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 07:50 AM
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Take it easy on the guy, no need to talk down to him about periods and commas, jezuz. That being said, personally, I think they're demons



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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I happen to think that we are ALL Gods and Goddesses in training. Let me explain that. I think of the GodHead as a duality or negative/positive energy, and male/female energy.
If, big word here, if we could all of us step right out of our human meatsuits and stand together in Unity for one second....we would be God as we think of God. Ever notice in the alien threads that the aliens are most interested in our souls, and our bodies are but "containers" to them? Oh, but they are careful about the soul, aren't they?

Mankind took a great Fall many, many years ago, down to the third dimension of time/space where we live right now. We have a chance to redeem ourselves in the coming years, if the people only wake up from the mind controlling nightmare that is organised religion in it's many forms. Science is only just scratching the surface of the incredible power of the human mind. Might I suggest that we help science along and look into our own minds?


Ah forgot to mention the 'duality' concept new agers hold. Wrong, God is clean, there is no negative energy or side to him. If you had the holy ghost and Christ in your life you would know this. There is a verse where God says 'There is none other like me'. He is the beginning and the end. The creator. Creations can never become God. There is nothing wrong with religion except when it is manipulated and corrupted and used as a power base for deceivers and other wolves in sheep clothing. A Christian is a Christian based on his fruits according to the teachings of Christ, not because he listens to sermons and gives a few bucks to the church every week.

[edit on 13-1-2010 by Moonman1111]



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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I find it very strange you don't believe in God, but you would jump at the chance to shake hands with these critters. You must have had some bad experiences with psuedo Christians or something when you were younger that painted an image of religion for you. Yes I agree with you on humanity needs to quit attacking each other etc etc, but with these aliens are nothing but pests. As an abductee said, can't remember who but he said 'I don't know if demons exist, but those aliens are demons in and of themselves'. Or something along the lines of that. And yes, if a UFO enters our planet or dimension, and if it gets shot done, then that is a righteous course of action. Let them try and wage a war, they have been waging a war on mankind for thousands of years. They can't just openly destroy the human race even if they wanted too. But as an atheist, divine intervention and God's love doesn't sit well with you I imagine. Paranoia and 'unfounded fear'.... Yeah its all unfounded huh? I think what ever entities were communicating to you or whatever may have a grip on you, and I am not being a smart mouth or joking. They got you to feel pity for them, they know all our strengths and weaknesses. Bring a watch with you too when you go to the highlands, you might find yourself puking and missing time.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Moonman1111
...Bring a watch with you too when you go to the highlands, you might find yourself puking and missing time.


A watch won't do him any good to get in that state.

He needs a bottle opener.

Unless he's on a screwtop bottle of Bucky.

-m0r



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 08:12 AM
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Man, you can't compare killing an invading alien who has come to do experiments on mankind to the killing of humans. These things are sub human. You mock the value of human life when you hold one of these ants/reptoids next to human life. And why wouldn't anybody be alarmed by a UFO's with ants exiting it next to a playground full of young children? If you can't see why that would concern anybody then I am angered by that. And since hybrids have some human DNA, I personally think it would be wrong to outright kill them, only thing you can do is make sure they don't reproduce and pass on their alien ant DNA and keep an eye on them etc etc



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