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Iraq war was illegal, Dutch panel rules

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posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Iraq war was illegal, Dutch panel rules


www.guardian.co.uk

The war in Iraq had "no basis in international law", a Dutch inquiry found today, in the first ever independent legal assessment of the decision to invade.

"The Dutch government lent its political support to a war whose purpose was not consistent with Dutch government policy," the inquiry in the Hague concluded. "The military action had no sound mandate in international law."
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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Just more conformation on what has been blatantly obvious for years: bush, cheney, blair and a grip of their cronies are war criminals.. responsible for the suffering of millions.

Even though these people, so called, are the worst kind of "terrorists" they deserve a fair trial... but not on US soil of course, eh?...lol, we don't want these worst of the worst enjoying any rights. I wonder if GOP politicians will support sending these terrorists straight to a dark danky place where they can be tortured into coughing up intelligence about their terrorist network of bankers.

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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They need to go to Guantanamo Bay and stay there for 8 years and then get a fair trial.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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reply to post by GovtFlu
 


Who are the Dutch? What is international Law, for all of you the US Constitution, The Executive Branch(President), The Congress, and The Supreme Court of the Untied States of America, are without a doubt the be all, end all In America. Not Interpol, not the UN, Not the Dutch, not the Hague, Not Iran, Nor the U.K, E.U, (am I missing anyone). The war in Iraq was not illegal due to the US Congress authorizing the use of force to overthrow Saddam. International Law has no Law authority in the USA.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


I contest this statement.

The Federal Reserve and the World Bank are the end all be all.

Globally.




posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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reply to post by muzzleflash
 


LOL, Okay I will agree to that, However I still contend in its true form they way the founders created thats the way it should be.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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As a founding nation of the U.N don't you find it rather hyprocritical that the U.S went to war to remove saddam after their original pretenses failed to be verified?

If the U.S is above international law do you feel they should have the right to make sure other countries follow it to the letter?

Or is this a case of "do as I say not say as I do?"

It seems to me there is a double standard when it comes to international law in the U.S though I could say the same for my country of Canada.

Either way I wouldnt worry too much, the report won't lead to any legal action I'm sure.

Cheers



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


There's just one small little point you seem to be completely missing..

It's the word "International"

That kinda covers every country on Earth really.. seeing as the definition is;

in·ter·na·tion·al (ntr-nsh-nl, -nshnl)
adj. Abbr. int. or intl.
1. Of, relating to, or involving two or more nations: an international commission; international affairs.
2. Extending across or transcending national boundaries: international fame.
n. International
Any of several socialist organizations of international scope formed during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
inter·nation·ali·ty (-sh-nl-t) n.
inter·nation·al·ly adv.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

www.thefreedictionary.com...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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reply to post by Extralien
 


What does international law mean to me, an American... Nothing at all, I do not get to vote on any memebers of the General Assembly, I think the UN is the biggest fraud out there.

International Law is a joke, and we only use it to go after third world nations. If it benefits us. See RWANDA, SOMLIA, OR YOGOSLAVIA



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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reply to post by thebulldog
 


I think the UN is a joke. Do you or I as Citzens of the world get a vote at it? Or get to vote on who goes? Nope untill then I will ignore anything said about International law, but I will attack it.

And yes the war in Iraq was a joke

And so is International Law



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by GovtFlu
 


Who are the Dutch? What is international Law, for all of you the US Constitution, The Executive Branch(President), The Congress, and The Supreme Court of the Untied States of America, are without a doubt the be all, end all In America. Not Interpol, not the UN, Not the Dutch, not the Hague, Not Iran, Nor the U.K, E.U, (am I missing anyone). The war in Iraq was not illegal due to the US Congress authorizing the use of force to overthrow Saddam. International Law has no Law authority in the USA.


The nazis tried that argument, claiming their actions were legal under german law... and by "just following" orders they were innocent.

This silly notion was rejected by the US at Nuremberg... no nations laws supersede international law. Being US legal will only mean the united states will not seek justice against the (soon to be) internationally wanted war criminal terrorists.

Meaning the US will be harboring international criminals based on who they are perceived to be... which will finally dispel the myth the US govt has any interest in "the rule of law" or "blind justice".

Principles of International Law Recognized in the Charter of the Nürnberg Tribunal and in the Judgment of the Tribunal

Principle IV
The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

Principle VI
The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:
(a) Crimes against peace: (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

untreaty.un.org...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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I guess you never heard of the Geneva Conventions
One day America will be on trail for this and the rest of the terror, war and suffering caused by them. And than the manure is gonna hit the fan.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu


Just more conformation on what has been blatantly obvious for years: bush, cheney, blair and a grip of their cronies are war criminals.. responsible for the suffering of millions.

Even though these people, so called, are the worst kind of "terrorists" they deserve a fair trial... but not on US soil of course, eh?...lol, we don't want these worst of the worst enjoying any rights. I wonder if GOP politicians will support sending these terrorists straight to a dark danky place where they can be tortured into coughing up intelligence about their terrorist network of bankers.

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


Uh huh. Where is the evidence that it was Bush, Cheney and company who were responsible for the bad intel on Iraq?

Right. There is no proof. They had the same intel that members of Congress had when they voted to go to war in Iraq.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Regenstorm

I guess you never heard of the Geneva Conventions
One day America will be on trail for this and the rest of the terror, war and suffering caused by them.


ofcourse for that to happen there is a huge list of countries that will be on trial before the USA



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Regenstorm
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


I guess you never heard of the Geneva Conventions
One day America will be on trail for this and the rest of the terror, war and suffering caused by them. And than the manure is gonna hit the fan.


If so, then obama's recent executive order allowing interpol immunity in the U.S. will help that come about.

Step 1 - the war is declared illegal
Step 2 - interpol comes after anyone and everyone (not just bush and cheney) that was an "accessory" (all the members of congress that voted yes?)
resulting in:
Step 3 - the end of U.S. sovereignty.




posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by thebulldog
 


I think the UN is a joke. Do you or I as Citzens of the world get a vote at it? Or get to vote on who goes? Nope untill then I will ignore anything said about International law, but I will attack it.

And yes the war in Iraq was a joke

And so is International Law


Yes you do get a vote, when the GOP / DNC run for office. Once they agree to a treaty, it becomes equal to federal legislation. So guess what?, much of the international law you reject is de facto US law..

But the spineless DC flock of chicken hawk eunuchs lack the courage to prosecute war crimes under US law.. banker businesses are too big to fail, and the political elite american royalty are perceived too powerful to charge.

If the usa wasn't a fraction on the great nation it once was, bush / cheney et al should have been on trial years ago. odumba should be next for continuing these internationally illegal atrocities.

I think it's just great people are dusting off old nazi arguments to justify the illegal, immoral and cruel behavior of the bush govt.. that right there says it all about just how far into the cesspool of historys mistakes the united states has sunk...blub, blub, blub..

Please, look up the arguments nazi party leaders used to brush off international laws they felt were irrelevant.. and how they rallied their flock under the guise of father/homeland defense nationalism while being blessed by "god".. it's hilarious how similar it is to modern america.

Violent lawless fascist regimes creeping up on so called free people.. must be as inevitable as empires that crumble.. since both happen again and again. Kick back & have fun in life as the ride comes to a violent & sudden end.

“Domestically, treaties to which the United States is a party are equivalent in status to Federal legislation, forming part of what the Constitution calls ‘the supreme Law of the Land.’

www.llrx.com...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Well since Iraq was in breach of the sanctions placed on them by the UN. Or has the oil scandal that the last bunch in charge of the UN pulled been forgotten? Even Hillary's wife had the same intel on Iraq! I seem to recall N. Korea didn't have wmds either!



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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reply to post by centurion1211
 


The end of U.S. sovereignty is just a matter of time. The countries within the European Union have recently gave up their sovereignty by signing the Treaty of Lisbon. It's all part of the plan.



[edit on 12-1-2010 by Regenstorm]



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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It seems most of the inspectors of UNSCOM where from intelligence, also from the Dutch.In 1998 they already knew Saddam had no WMD's whatsoever, and not after that. Anyhow PM Balkenende should loose his head for this..



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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reply to post by Regenstorm
 


Psh. You crazy(with respect).
You really think America is going to answer to the rest of the world for what we did in Iraq?
Thats funny.
Did you forget who the policeman of the world are?
We Are
WHY are we the policeman of the world?
Because we think we have to be, because nobody else will do it(And it makes us money).
Policeman watch out for other Policeman.
Many people have been paid off. Important intel will probably never be released. And NOW you have TWO Wars with more "potentials" to answer for(or will we have to?).
SMOKESCREEN.
Look around. War is everywhere. Cant just stick it all to one man.
I guarantee if they try to prosecute Bush, many, many, many, many more on BOTH sides will get drug through the mud turning this once great nation into a nation of madness and turmoil. Then you will have more War on your hands than you can handle.
DOMINO EFFECT
Its funny to me, Im not a Bush fan, but im not naive either.
Bush will never be prosecuted. Mark my words.




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