How dare anyone that values our freedom to be in favor of this ban. Once again, a government body has deemed an entire group of people as terrorists and therefore has also stripped them of their inherent right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech.

Who else is going to be considered a terrorist group? What's next -- a statement saying that to be fair to "banned" groups, NO protests will be permitted?

WAKE UP! These ever-growing, numerous, behind every door and window "terrorist" groups are a SCAPEGOAT for removing our freedoms one by one.

There were many more ways, LAWFUL WAYS, to controlling this group's protest than to ban it altogether. And I'm sure their reaction to this will be to just stay home and keep quiet instead.

Give me a break. This is a clear process to two results: removing our freedoms and inciting a reaction from what they are calling a terrorist group.

And to the above poster -- so what if they want women to wear burkas? SO WHAT? Is this really any different that any group that tries to gather public support and interest? When Lance Armstrong was pushing his rubber bracelets on everyone -- how is that really different? They want us to wear burkas and we still (so far) have the right to say "no thank you." But don't you think preventing anyone from making the statements shows weakness and gives them power? If they weren't concerned anyone would listen -- they wouldn't care what they said. I say let them speak and let us show them we are not interested in their way of life but will be tolerant of it in the name of democracy and free choice. Stifling the voice of any group or person will do nothing more than make them even more determined to get their message out -- any way they can.

I read this in the morning and i was thinking about starting a thread on it but much like the OP i was torn on the issue.
Obviously this group was instigating and provoking a reaction from the citizens. The leader says he will not stop preaching for the laws and lifestyle he sees fit. Especially in the hotbed that is the UK right now with all the terroist threats over cartoons or opinions you can empathise that they have had enough and choose to make a stand.
The other side of me is a massive supporter of free speech and freedom to assemble. The thing with this instance is they dont believ in free speech, the wish is to be the censors of society with Sharia law.
So is it immoral to censor an organization that abuses the rights given to the citizens to promote censoriship?

Can i censor a person who is freely speaking about a desire to censor us all?? Theres a moral pickle.

I agree in labelling them a terrorist group.
If their goal is to make everyone live by their laws then that kind of reminds me of the Hitler mentality.
Inflicting one's culture on another is insecure and weak.
Trying to make non-muslim countries muslim is intrusive just like going to a muslim country and trying to make them live like the western world is.
Good for Great Britain!!
Enough politically correct BS....shut them down.

Originally posted by unicorn1

'Therefore, we will one day liberate our land from occupation and implement the Shari.ah not just in Muslim countries but also right here in Great Britain. This is something that we believe in, live by and hope that in our lifetime we will witness'.

Good luck to them then, because it'll take a HELL of a lot to convert a nation built on bacon butties and binge drinking to convert to their silly ways.

No offence, but i rather like the taste of real ale, i like ladies in short skirts and the louder the music the better.

Sorry islam but you'd have a better chance of converting the pope.

No moral pickle for me.
Lots of us actually share their views about Afghanistan etc. But this group is actively trying to make the UK an Islamic state. They are both poisonous and dangerous.
Ha ha Mr Lizard. I'll pass on the ladies in short skirts (men in shorts?).
Bacon butties rule OK!


[edit on 12-1-2010 by unicorn1]

Yeah, I'm going to have to say that if they're such huge fans of the system they're trying to implement, they should probably move their asses to somewhere its already in place. Radical Islam is an aberration, a blight on normal society, and is hardly the mark of an intelligent, forward-thinking person - go UK, ban their retarded little club.

Originally posted by lpowell0627

And to the above poster -- so what if they want women to wear burkas? SO WHAT? Is this really any different that any group that tries to gather public support and interest? When Lance Armstrong was pushing his rubber bracelets on everyone -- how is that really different?

Well, one is trying to raise cancer awareness, and to generally celebrate life and the accomplishments we're all capable of; the other is trying to support an Islamic state where you wouldn't really be able to celebrate much of anything worthwhile. I also noticed in your post that you were pretty set on the idea that "women can wear burkhas if they want." Ah, 'tis true, they can, but if the UK was just like these people want, I don't believe you'd see much else besides penguins running around. And Allah help you if you decide to speak out, because you see, Islamic law and culture isn't exactly framed on the concepts of tolerance or common sense. From what I've seen and experienced personally, it seems more framed around illiteracy and an irrational dislike of pigs.

I sent this e-mail to Islam4uk and I am interested in there reply (if I get one) for that matter anyone who feels they can answer these questions without Islam bashing or crying rasist or you have islamaphobia.

Hi,

Whilst I support your right to free speach however much I don't like the message, I wonder how political, idelogicaly and democraticaly do you think that Sharia law for every one in the UK would be implamented?

Would you propose a democratic vote?

What if the majority of people refuse?

If it where to pass how do you see democracy continuing under Sharia law/Muslim rule when there are countries that all ready are under Sharia/muslim rule and there is no democracy?

Under Sharia law/muslim rule would you and I not automatically lose the same freedoms you are using to promote it?

As a non believer how will my use of free speach against Sharia law be treated if Sharia law where to be implamented?

There are about 65 million people in the UK of those less than 2 million are muslim so why try and as your site say " Go forth and procliam Islam whether the disbelivers like it or not"

Should'nt the other 63 million people be give advice,teachings on Islam to draw them to it other than forcing it apon them? Surley by forcing it on people whether they want it or not is hipocrictical of you as in doing so you are denying there freedom to choose whilst proclaiming yours has been taken away by the goverments ruling.



Thank you for reading and hopefully you can answer my questions