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Madeleine McCann 'Died In Holiday Apartment'

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posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by 00112245712198
Interestingly the Vatican had details of the affair on there website, these details would be removed one week before they were made Arguidos...
Do you have a link? Even if it was removed maybe it can be found on the Internet Archive.




posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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It does make you wonder why the government got involved and why they would cover something up.

Now, bear with me!

There is a witness statement alleging that GM & one of the doctors made a sexually suggestive remark about MM that shocked the witness.

Some time later a Police investigation into paedophiles called operation Ore revealed that a number of Labour ministers had been caught in the trap paying to download child porn.

GM knew Gordon Browns brother, and pretty quickly got government help.

Could it be that they were paedophiles, that GM had knowledge of some senior politicians involvement, and this was what prompted a miscarraige of justice for poor innocent Maddie?

Imagine if Maddie had died in the apartment. If she had been abused then it would show up in the autopsy (as doctors they could otherwise keep her away from any kind of medical examination) - imagine how embarrasing that would be if it came out in the press - that she'd been abused and GM just happened to have links to the British Governments hierarchy.

That would need to be covered up very quickly.



posted on Jan, 24 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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I personally do not believe that anyone closely associated with this story is a paedophile, including David Payne.

I read the statement made by the people who filed the information with the police. I think the conversation could have been an innocent one. Two guys talking about an infant who might have tried to suckle the nipple of a man, as an amusing curiosity. I think the lady who made the complaint was jumping to conclusions, myself.

I suspect what happened in Apt. 5A is that the children were given sedatives to help them sleep and that Madeleine was accidentally overdosed. She may have vomited or gotten into an accident behind the couch near the window, in a groggy state, falling and either breaking her neck or suffocating by being unable to extricate herself from an awkward position.

She may have vomited or bled at the scene.

I think the real weirdness in this case all started after Madeleine's death, beginning with the McCann's cognitive dissociation with any notion of their own responsibility for the situation. It all went downhill from there thanks to Gerry's political connections.

The great thing about this case is that, like the OJ Simpson case it shines a bright light on justice in our times and on the sort of people who have clawed their way to the top in our world. Heaven help us all.

[edit on 24-1-2010 by ipsedixit]



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 01:47 AM
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gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com...

This link will provide a bit of insight into your question, imo.

Bear in mind ALOT of internet articles have been removed over this case.They have tried censoring the internet.





[edit on 25-1-2010 by 00112245712198]



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 02:00 AM
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findarticles.com...

The above link directs you to a Sunday Mirror article mentioning the Pope ditching the McCanns from the website.Its dated a week after they left for the UK as Arguidos.

I trust you will find it helpful.



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi
It does make you wonder why the government got involved and why they would cover something up.

Now, bear with me!

There is a witness statement alleging that GM & one of the doctors made a sexually suggestive remark about MM that shocked the witness.

Some time later a Police investigation into paedophiles called operation Ore revealed that a number of Labour ministers had been caught in the trap paying to download child porn.

GM knew Gordon Browns brother, and pretty quickly got government help.

Could it be that they were paedophiles, that GM had knowledge of some senior politicians involvement, and this was what prompted a miscarraige of justice for poor innocent Maddie?

Imagine if Maddie had died in the apartment. If she had been abused then it would show up in the autopsy (as doctors they could otherwise keep her away from any kind of medical examination) - imagine how embarrasing that would be if it came out in the press - that she'd been abused and GM just happened to have links to the British Governments hierarchy.

That would need to be covered up very quickly.


Dr Katherine Gaspar made the statement regarding Gerry and David Paynes behaviour on a Holiday in Majorca, a holiday Gerry forgot to mention to Police.Gaspars husband Arul doesnt read quite as much into there behaviour as his wife.

"I was sitting between Dave and Gerry whom I believe were both talking about Madeleine. I don’t remember the conversation in its entirety, but it seemed they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.

When he mentioned “this”, Dave was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, whilst with the other hand he circled his nipple, with a circulating movement over his clothes. This was done in a provocative manner there being an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was saying and doing.

I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to see their reactions. I looked around (page 4) to see “did anyone else hear this, or was it just me”. There was a nervous silence noted in the conversations of all the others and immediately afterwards everyone began talking again.

I never spoke to anyone about this, but I always felt that it was something very strange and that it wasn’t something that should be done or said."

www.the3arguidos.info...

Operation Ore is under 100 year secrecy order and implicated MP's from both sides of the house, judges, police and journalists among others...Speculation was rife that cabinet ministers were on the list.I

There has never been confirmation that GM actually KNOWS Andrew Brown.Jill Renwick stopped John Brown in the street and asked him if he could ask Gordon for help.

www.buzzle.com...

Gives you an idea of how early in the piece the PR campaign was underway...

Be clear about something though Gordon Brown was not PM when this all started and certainly has not instigated an international coverup to help Gerry McCann.

There is something about the girl, imo.



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 03:04 PM
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Thanks for both links.


But I have some doubts about both situations.


First, the photo from the security camera; why is it missing the right side, where the remaining time stamp should be? The restaurant owner said that Madeleine left the restaurant around 17:45 / 18:00 hours, so the missing minutes from the time stamp may make some difference.

About the missing link (no pun intended
) from the Vatican site, on the page for which you gave the link it says:


Of course, the Vatican will say they constantly update their website on world events. Rubbish.


If it was only on a page about current events I guess it's only natural that it was removed.

I have to investigate further both situations.



posted on Jan, 26 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Hey guys looks like you been busy, thank you all so much for your contributions to the thread. Not had much time on PC so plenty of catching up to do, sorry for the off topic. Didn't want people thinking I made a thread and went AWOL



Nice work peeps



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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iv made a few comments on this suject but hadn`t ever thought about a peadophile ring. I myself was abused as achild, not in any kind of group settin, but as a result i went in2 care and iv heard some absolute horror stories whilst in there. i was slitely older than maddie, i was 6yrs. and after reading abt the conversation between gerry and another member of the party, talking about maddie as a sexual object, there are a lot of similarities between the family member that abused me and gerry mccans behavior. he seems almost detached from the situation, and thet both talk abt themselves too much. how they`r feeling. they`r twisting everything around so well, people are more focused ot the mccans feelings, rather than that poor girl. wen kate did mention maddie would be scared, she stammered n it sounded almost rehursted, like that was what is expected of them to feel, but with no REAL feeling. i belive maddie is dead. i dont think it was an accidental overdose, i think she was purposly killed after bein used and abused by some or even all of the members in that party... gerry and kate are disgustingly EVIL, and those twins should be removed ASAP. the authorities cant see that as they`v been blinded by the circus that they`v created around this situation...



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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Just thought I would update with this story....

Celebrity Support For Madeleine

Yes thats right folks even more celebrity support, and we all know what support means "£$£$£"


Sir Richard Branson and JK Rowling are expected to be among the guests at a fund-raising event to mark the 1,000th day since Madeleine McCann went missing.


Ok yup I am all for that, nothing wrong with remembering this poor little girl.


Around 180 people have been invited by her parents Kate and Gerry McCann to attend the £150-a-. dinner, raffle and auction at Sir Richard's Kensington Roof Gardens in west London.


180 have been invited by Kate and Gerry @ £150 per .......... STOP THE PRESS..... £150 To help search for a missing child while sat there stuffing your fat faces.

Somebody please tell me how this is helping search for Maddie "It's not" because this is about rich fat cats who will do anything for money and power without consideration for anyone "Not even their own children"


Half the money raised will go to the McCanns' fund to find their daughter, with the other half split between the charities Missing People and Missing Children Europe.


So one half to the McCann business enterprise and the rest to "Real" charities.


Supporters of the couple from Rothley, Leicestershire, will also launch 1,000 glowing paper lanterns into the night sky in Britain, Portugal and the US to coincide with the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.


Oh great, now we are going to get another 1.000 UFO sightings. You can bet the press will point out how "Crazy" us Conspiracy Theorist are. I can see it now, "ALIENS TOOK MADDIE" Maddie Conspiracy Theorist confuse lanterns for UFO's

Back to the point I am making...

OK when did this all happen the last time somebody went missing?

Why is this case so different to any other case including missing children, how many children go missing each day/month/year. How many of them cases are just swept under the carpet after a few months/years.

Then can find a man with a mustache and WMD in a Fing hole (Saddam) yet they cannot find one trace of Maddie.


McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell stressed there was no "crisis" in the fund, which currently stands at approximately £500,000.


You see because thats where the real Crisis would be, where the money is. I think we need somebody with brains on this case like Officer Doofy. Man this makes me so mad, I feel like getting on a plane to Portugal and doing my own research.

Sky News....

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posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 01:44 PM
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Maddie IMO is dead. She has such a distinctive eye that if she were alive, she would`ve been spotted. Is any1 following up on these so called sightings, or are they just mentioned in the press ect, to make it look like something is being done... And as for the search fund, and the mccans making money for "searching", in an interview kate herself admits that she hasn`t looked for maddie AT ALL... WHAT?? if that was my daughter, i`d walk until my feet bled, especially in a different country. The panic that i`d think my daughter was going through would be all the spurring that i needed... She`s a stone cold woman. She doesn`t even shed a tear. And as for him, he disgusts me...



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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I have thought from day one that they are guilty, the body language was all wrong. There is no woman and mother who would just sit on the bed while their child was missing. She would have been rushing around like a mad woman searching until she dropped, every single day of the week - not sitting guiltily on the bed. Of course you would just sit there, and refuse to answer all Police questions if you knew exactly where your child was and what had happened to her and wished to not be found guilty of involvement. And no normal person would go jogging a few days later, leaving the other kids. These ‘parent’s' are not normal people. I am quite surprised (well, not surprised as social services are mostly incompetent) that the two other kids are still with them. I wonder if those kids were checked for sexual abuse. No, of course they weren’t, whatever am I thinking?…



posted on Jan, 27 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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The more wealthy, famous and powerful people who sign on to the McCann's story and support them, the more that story moves beyond the realm of serious investigation and verification. It becomes the "authorized version" of what happened to Madeleine.

By now in the early part of the 21st century, it should be quite obvious what happens to anybody who challenges the authorized version. They simply don't get a hearing, except in venues like ATS.

When people show up in a very public way to support Kate and Gerry, they have, from that moment forward, something invested in Kate and Gerry. People usually will go a considerable way to protect their investments.

Here is paraphrase from a BBC radio program called "Inside Stories"
(Tuesday 6 November 2007, 9.00 am
The disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and the editorial and ethical
questions coverage of the story have raised.)

madeleinemccannaffair.blogspot.com...


Carlos Anjos, the . of the Portuguese CID Officers Association, later spoke for many of them when he accused the parents of creating “a monster of information” which had damaged the case. His strictures then and thereafter were factual but one can sense underneath them an additional element of shock and betrayal at the way the parents had done things as much as what they had done.

As for the latter Anjos was categorical: “We were against this [publicity] from the start. And importantly, we were against the release of Madeleine McCann's photo all over the world. We thought the photos that were released should not show the distinct mark Maddie had in her eye. From our experience in criminal investigations this was a kidnap, which was what we believed...the revealing of such a distinct feature would put that person's life in danger.”


The McCanns, through friends of theirs, tried to get the media involved almost immediately, Certainly within the first two days of the investigation. In other words they tried to take over the investigation from the professionals. Who does that? What parent would overrule the police in such a case, within the first 48 hours of an investigation? Furthermore, why would they try to take control of the direction of the investigation?

Again, the British consul in Portugal was on the scene of their interrogation, no, not interrogation, formal interview in Portimao within the first two days of the investigation. How many Brits get that kind of consular service?

Who or what are these people, the McCanns?


[edit on 27-1-2010 by ipsedixit]



posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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posted on Jan, 28 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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Personally I haven't seen that man, but I have to admit I am wondering if Jane Tanner has. Looks a lot like the last police artist sketch made under her direction. Makes me wonder about the utility of such drawings.



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
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Personally I haven't seen that man, but I have to admit I am wondering if Jane Tanner has. Looks a lot like the last police artist sketch made under her direction. Makes me wonder about the utility of such drawings.



Its kate McCann


missingmadeleine.forumotion.net...



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 07:18 AM
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Your SORRY if you offend any1 wit this disgusting joke...
What the hell is wrong wit you...
Lets see if Madaline thinks its funny, Oh thats right, you cant, shes missing, presummed dead...
How about you think next time before you post any quotes...



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 07:22 AM
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posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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how can money replace the loss of a child beats me,

from day one when they started their fund raising ive been suspicious of the whole thing ,

to me it seamed that they where more intrested in raising money to find the girl instead of finding the girl....



posted on Feb, 2 2010 @ 08:29 AM
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I agree zerbot. They have the finest lawyers and the worst investigators. They showed their priorities from the onset.




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