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'I hate the net' - porn star Ron Jeremy

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posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Mods if this is in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it!

Ron Jeremy, the man who looks like any average Joe, is best known for what many men wish they could do for a living: having intercourse with, sometimes many, women. But this man who has 2 BAs and a Masters degree, has something very interesting to say about the internet. In the article linked below, Ron speaks about how he is "old school" and how he doesn't like the internet and how it caused him a few problems with identity theft and such in the past.

The most important thing he mentions is that although you can look up anything you want on the internet, the days of going to the library and reading about things is almost over. There is no use for using your brain to memorize anything and that we are "dumbing down" our children.

I tend to agree about this and find that we are relying on the net too much. We don't read books anymore and the idea of researching things is now limited to a "few clicks" as Ron says.

What are your thoughts? Is the internet dumbing us down? Is it contributing to the demise of human thought?

Peace,

Magnum

'I hate the net' - porn star Ron Jeremy BBC Site




posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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The internet is a tool, and like any tool, one can become dependent on it.

However, I see no sign that it has inherently positive or negative effects on humans and human thinking. A strong case can easily be made on both sides so I'd prefer to say it's neutral.

Those who wish to read, learn, and grow (always being the extreme minority) will continue to with new tools. Those who don't (most folks) will continue doing frivolous things.

Same as it ever was...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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sounds like Ron has an account here.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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The internet is the single most enabling tool since fire.

Ron Jeremy's blood is all running into his....



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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The internet is dumbing me down?

Well I have not much to contribute except that the internet educated me in so many fields, I don't know how dumb I would be without it, infact I would even say that all those years I spent in school and university were more or less worthless (except social education), since I learned the most by educating myself using the Internet.
The internet is an artificial consciousness, we can interact with it, derive information from it, and give information, it makes us more aware if we use it for our own good.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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The legend or is that leg-end Ron Jeremy hates the internet?
Surely not, after all without the internet most people wouldn't know who Ron Jeremy is unless they've watched his 'films' ( perverts
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I think he was complaining that video games hurts youngsters morals more than porn? Some of the grumble I've seen wouldn't hurt youngsters, some of the games would , only because they were bad though.
Films hurts youngsters more than game IMO, how many films depict violence as opposed to games?
How many films depict swearing as opposed to games.
Don't forget there have been more films released over the last 40 years than there have been computer games.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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And potentially the most destructive in my opinion.


I think Ron Jeremy has some valid points. I also think not enough time has elapsed between the availability of true fast and reliable internet service and any long-term detrimental effects it may contribute to. Particularly I think studies should be carried out regarding heavy net usage and any reduced attention span. While I am sure basic studies have been researched, I doubt the depth required to have a true study has been undertaken.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Explanation: S&F! For the most humourously interesting SciTech thread in a while! [for me anyway!]

I think he's more
off by the LO$$ of DOLLAR$ than anything else as he mentions it in a personal [2 cases of online bank id theft] and also in a general [works in the industry which having now become ubiquitous online has busted the supply and demand environment which made the $$$'s to survive in the 1st place] financial sense of displeasure!


Still he does make a point that does need addressing as regards the internet dumbing us down and somehow it reminds me of possibily what the teachers of oral history were saying about the people who were writting onto clay tablets with sharp pointy sticks...."Scratching in the dirt will get you nowhere!". I think that example I used there would let Ron see the internet in a whole new light as his books and by perverse consequence, porno mags with their juicy and salacious forums [why is there no drool emoticon?], are directly decended from those clay tablets etc.


Personal Disclosure:
He was a teacher with 2 BA's and a Masters degree???
FREAKING
I DIDN"T KNOW THAT! Ron just grew an extra 6 inches in my mind!
That directly shows the internets MEGABUCK$ worth right freaking there! :shk:



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Star & Flag!
Ron "The Hedgehog" Jeremy has led an interesting life. Porn Goddesses have cringed at the thought of being with him on camera. He's the common man's hero and lowered the bar for the fat and ugly to gain access to hot women!
I knew that he was intelligent but why does he think his voice and opinion on the internet really matters ???
Like others have posted - the net is a tool ! So is Ron Jeremy...
I personally have acquired much knowledge and been able to connect dots that I would have never found in a library or in school.

I read another article that The Hedgehog pissed off a bunch of gamers saying that Porn was less damaging than Violent Games...Ron's on a roll !

"The internet is for Porn", Ron ! Check out the Aveunue Q song!



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 12:10 PM
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We have to realize that technology has many negative side effects. It is neither good or evil. Yet it easily robs peoples of their very culture, heritage, and shared values. It can also be a tool for subjugating large numbers of people by creating knowledge monopolies. It can also have the very effect Ron claims. It can make people too dependent and strip them of naturual abilities.

I remember reading an article about a tribe of "scribes" from India. They were responsible for remembering the history of important families and religion. Some westerners thought it would be a good idea to teach them to write down these histories and epic poems. What they learned is that as the "scribes" learned to write they began to forget the poems and stories. They became dependent on the recall allowed by reading what was written. They actually stopped trying to teach the people to write because they were afraid of losing hundreds of years of histories.

When the clock was first brought in to use in Europe the purpose was for monks to remember the times for prayer. Now look at how the clock rules and regulates our lives today. It was originally a tool for religous observance. Now it is a force that dominates how we act and think. It has given rise to the efficency expert, time cards, apointment calendars, and caused untold amounts of stress.

The printing press broke the knowledge monopoly the Catholic church held over European society for an age. It gave rise to the Reformation and resulting wars, violence, and societal upheaval. The resulting pamphlets, books, and papers lead to the age of enlightenment, and in a way to the formation of the United States of America.

We can never see what the "end game" is for a technology. Once unleashed in to a society it will follow its own course. We must accept that it will effect us in both positive and negative means. It will take nearly as much as it gives. To say there is no down side to the internet is just as disingenuous as saying it is evil.

You have to remeber that the same internet that gives us this forum is the the one that lets people steal copywrite protected materials and cost others millions of dollars every year. The same internet that let you find your high school friends again lets the mothers of high school kids "cyber bully" their neighbor's kids. It gives us the ability to learn something about anything we desire. However, we can never rarely tell if what we learn is the truth. It tends to be an enviroment where truth is defined by consensus instead of facts.

If we must judge Ron harshly let it be because he fails to see both sides. Do not allow yourself to become a technophile that embraces all new technologies blindly.





[edit on 12-1-2010 by MikeNice81]



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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Considering that the internet's proliferation is directly proportional to porno proliferation he should probably yell at himself in the mirror.

I remember being at a friend's house in '88 when his brother downloaded a short, grainy 5 or 10 second clip of xxx material and showed it to us... I was thinking... 8 Bit computing is gone forever! LOL!

It's true though, porn was the driver for the sudden boom in 94 as well as the need for more web graphics capabilities. Likely the driver for flash, better jpeg compression and as well as mpeg compression etc.

I would be a liar if I stated that I haven't seen at least a terabyte of this stuff over the past 15 years and, likely, fellow web veterans would be too.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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I agree with those who say the internet is a tool. And a hugely powerful one. I dont think it is dumbing people down at all, to the contrary I think it is allowing us to make connections intellectually that we would not have otherwise been able to make. Books still have value, of course. But it would take much longer than one human has as a lifespan to be able to read enough in volume to be able to come up alone with the answers to complicated questions. Much of what you would have to read would be pointless filler that was irrelevant to your query. The internet allows more direct and pointed and rapid questioning, and while it is certainly no replacement for books, it is a wonderful accompaniment to them.

It is also, (so far) allowing us to spread information with minimal censorship by the wealthy and powerful. You need a lot of backing financially to print and market and distribute a book to millions. On the internet, you need almost nothing more than a computer and access to the internet to be heard by millions. It has been a great equalizer. It may not last in that role much longer, the PTB are looking for ways to control that aspect of it, but for now, it is a wonderful tool.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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When people scan books and post them online they lose all credibility and value.

That is unless you print them out and bind them together, then they regain their magic.

Same with journals, magazines, newspapers, microfiche, etc...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Personally, I disagree that things being printed and bound have some "magic" that things on the internet lack. I study ancient Greek philosophy, and while I own several copies of "Platos Republic" for instance, as there are many translations, I dont notice any less magic in the online versions I do not yet own.

To me the magic of the internet is that for nothing more than I already pay just to have access to the internet, I can compare side by side numerous translations I that do not have in hard copy in the second I want to compare them. I dont have to order them, and then wait a week or so for them to arrive.

Dont get me wrong, I love books, and own hundreds. And if we ever had an electronic wipe, they would be invaluable as backup. But the instant access to HUGE volumes of information to me is as magical as a beautifully bound hard copy of a beloved text. As for credibility, there are rubbish books printed every day. The reader has to be willing to be discriminating, whether online or in bookstore.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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the real reason he dislikes net is because you can find all the porn u want for free he gets no royalties bwhhaaa ha. seriously tho he has inspired lots of us if a guy who looks like a troll can have sex with a beautiful woman there is hope for us all. i just wonder how much the poor women got



posted on Feb, 25 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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For some of us it is certainly Not dumbing us down. As it can be a great research tool to find answers to questions we've been pondering. [Without having to leave our computers and go either to the library to do more research, or buy a book at a book store. That may or may not even actually answer the question. Mind you the exercise would have likely have done me more good then spending hours sitting at the computer looking for an answer.] But what I like even more is when it answers a question that you never even could have imagined in the first place. But books can do that to. However, particularly when it comes to the internet, I have found that sometimes the answers are wrong, and this is more likely to happen if you don't take the time to check the answer against other sources. For books the answers are more likely to be correct since they are heavily editted, and checked for accuracy before tens of thousands of dollars are spent printing them. From my own experience this is more likely to be a problem for subjects like math, calculus,...

When I was in college I had a classmate who was participating on a math web site to help students out - later that day he realized he answered a couple of them incorrectly. If he had answered them in person, like our open tutorial sessions for math, he would likely have caught his own mistakes, before sending the student away, since he would have been doing the math with the student on paperm and filling in all the steps for the student.

I have also found that for some of the more technical subjects that there are sometimes no answers. Or if you want an answer you will have to pay for it. And of course you still might not get the answer you want and you've just paid for it. In this case books are sometimes the only choice. And all the information is located in one source that on the internet might take you days or weeks to gather.

For many young people I have seen the dumbing effect occur when they settle for the first answer that they then copy and paste into their report. We've all probably seen this in the news where multiple students hand in almost duplicate reports - because the copied the same text off of the internet. But I think the real problem is that they are not having to read more information than necessary to answer the basic question. You learn more and are more likely to retain that information when you've had to work harder to get the answer. And as well, the more ways your mind has to access that information the more likely you will be able to recall it. This is more likely to occur when you read more than one source for that information - and without a word search tool to narrow down your reading to just one paragraph, or the author has a flair for using words, or a writing style, that sticks out in your mind.

So, yes in some cases it is dumbing some people down. But for others it is opening up their minds to new information. [Although for many of us we are getting fatter and lazier in our search for answers.
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