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A prudent investor yes, would want to know where the return on their investment is or isn't.
The federal government has shown time and time again it is horrible at prudence and thus really doesn't care.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
The banks are an essential part to our economy.
They ARE to big to fail without completely re-doing everything (which might require some down time...).
Since the banks run this economy, they literally get to pay themselves what they want (to an extent).
Both sides realize this (government and banks).
This tax will do almost nothing I fear. Obama could just cut this tax off the national debt or give it out to states and it would have the same impact.
The markets are controlled, and when they start tipping the only people who have the power to recover them are the government and banks combined. This is through the bailouts.
But playing with the markets to much leads to a loss of real money, and everything becomes artificial.
I am not economist but that is how I view things.
Originally posted by DJMSN
reply to post by ziggystrange
Sounds like a great idea! But that is the problem...it sounds like a great idea. The facts in the matter are that many banks never asked for or wanted the money and were forced into accepting it...see link below for more:
personalmoneystore.com...
Lots of the banks have already paid the money back with interest...see link below:
online.wsj.com...
Any TAX placed on Banks or other business is simply passed along to consumers who use their services, in other words We Pay the Tax as usual. It just does not make sense to force banks that did not need the money to take it and then only allow them to pay it back when the goverment wanted them too. Many of the Banks that recieved TARP monies used that money in lobbying campaigns...in other words funneling the money right back to the same poiliticians that voted to give them the money, also to give billions in payday bonus checks to bank executives. This is not how the money was meant to be used but since the Goverment gave out the money with no way to track how it was spent this was the results. In no way should We the Taxpayers be used to pay for bonus checks and lobbying funds for big banks and politicians. And the Tax on banks may sound good but remember We will pay for it thru user fee increases. Since I am only paid thru direct deposit with no other option then I am forced to pay the above mentioned fees as are millions of others.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
reply to post by ziggystrange
The banks essential stimulate the economy through loans and such.
Bad loans where there is a new company that fails does nothing but waste resources. Same goes for foreclosures etc.
If Obama taxes the banks and uses that revenue to cut the deficit, I personally think he would be better off just removing that number from the deficit.
It does not make sense, but neither does taxing a business in which he has no control over and that can manipulate so much to cope with their needs.
I may be wrong on that part. It seems like the little man (government) trying to tell the big man (bank system) what to do.
Maybe publicly it will pass, but behind closed doors I get the feeling nothing will happen.
Who knows - this could be a REAL change, but I doubt it.
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by ziggystrange
Actually it is now, here is why,
The big financial institutions that got the biggest amount of money like AGE, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Auto businesses will be exempt from paying the fee, but the ones targeted already pay most of the money, they have no reason or anything to hold them out from passing the cost to the consumer, so much for the tax, you and I will be paying for it.
Originally posted by ziggystrange
Hi Margo6043,
Thanks for posting. I have not seen that, is that a fact?
If you are right, and they are exempt, it's wrong.
Ziggy Strange
It’s not free-market capitalism.
By Larry Kudlow
President Obama’s misbegotten bank tax is precisely the wrong policy at precisely the wrong time. It will wind up backfiring across the board. Why? Because bank consumers and borrowers are the ones who will wind up paying this tax, creating an obstacle to economic recovery.
Obama is actually rewarding losers and punishing winners — exactly the reverse of free-market capitalism.
Who’s being rewarded? Obama’s bank-tax penalty is being used to finance the failed government takeovers of GM, GMAC, and Fannie and Freddie. And let’s not forget the $75 billion failure of the so-called foreclosure loan-modification program. To this day, no one knows where that money went. But the big banks are going to be forced to finance this through a tax that will damage lending, stockholders, and consumers.This is sheer political favoritism. Crony capitalism at its worst, with a sub-theme of bailing out Obama’s Big Labor political allies. It’s just like his bailout of the unions by exempting them from the so-called Cadillac insurance tax until 2018, all while the rest of us may have to suffer under that tax.
Speaking of political unfairness and favoritism, mortgage giants Fannie and Freddie will not pay a nickel of this tax. These government-sponsored enterprises were at the very center of the financial maelstrom, financing the government’s quotas and targets for unaffordable mortgages.
Think about this for a second. President Obama is out there bashing away at excessive bonuses. And yet Fannie and Freddie’s CEOs stand to make $6 million in the next year or two. Huh? These are big-government-owned bureaucrats. They ought to be paid like GS-18s.
Originally posted by jdub297
This was also covered in a prior thread. I offered the following:
Maybe you missed a couple of points:
jw