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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by BigfootNZ
You claim that people are just on either side but noone is trying to fix the problem of Climate Change?.. Doesn't that put you on the side of the people who claim we are affecting the climate?
BTW, where is the evidence that we have caused Climate Change to get worse?
[edit on 11-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by BigfootNZ
You claim that people are just on either side but noone is trying to fix the problem of Climate Change?.. Doesn't that put you on the side of the people who claim we are affecting the climate?
BTW, where is the evidence that we have caused Climate Change to get worse?
You are making your own conclusions without any evidence to support that conclusion.
[edit on 11-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know you don't poop where ya eat. Whether we are a cause of anything, or not I am pretty positive no ones helping the issue. Sure they fudge numbers, maybe its not as dire as they say, but they didn't fudge everything, again it does not take to much to see, you put garbage in you get garbage out.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
Now as for cooling verse warming, warming and the melting of the ice caps changes the environment and causes cooling. Causes disruptions to the natural flow of heat through the water currents. I think we all know that.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
and you know what sucks even more, the colder it gets, the whiter it gets, and it reflects heat back out into space, causing even further cooling.
Ultimately, screw Global Climate Change... lets just clean up our act... if it fix's the 'hoax' hurray, if it is a hoax we have a nicer environment hurray!... win/win. Poo slinging ideologies all day does nothing.
[edit on 11-1-2010 by BigfootNZ]
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
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Thats what my bible thumping comment was about... it seems there is no 'grey' area in the public debate both sides scream the extreme... your either for or against one or the other, im from the grey area.
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
To me can you honestly look at areas of the world with smog, human induced desertification due to extensive over farming, over fishing, huge industrial factories producing goods we dont need, rain forests being destroyed to grow beef and palm oil and not think... we're doing this all wrong?.. irrespective of the 'truth/falsehood' of global warming or not?
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
By 'fixing it' I mean the damage we are or could be doing... why take a risk, why take a 'Kill em all, let god sort em out' attitude to our existence...
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
As for the evidence... im making my own conclusions from what i hear and read from both sides of the debate, how can i not make my own conclusions when both sides ram their evidence down my throat every day in the media, and why shouldnt I make my own conclusions from that 'evidence' and my own observations through out my life and my own ideals?..
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
and if you do so then i take it by your stance your on the 'Global Climate change' is a hoax crowd?.. in which case your one of those on the two extremes.
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
I have my beliefs and my own conclusions... and ill live by them, at least if I do my own part for what i think of as the better I can feel some justification for doing so... even if it makes no real impact in the long run.
Originally posted by BigfootNZ
Ultimately, screw Global Climate Change... lets just clean up our act... if it fix's the 'hoax' hurray, if it is a hoax we have a nicer environment hurray!... win/win. Poo slinging ideologies all day does nothing.
Originally posted by xmrexilex
Global Warming Is Real, dont you all know that? you all are a bunch of conservative christians
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by BigfootNZ
You claim that people are just on either side but noone is trying to fix the problem of Climate Change?.. Doesn't that put you on the side of the people who claim we are affecting the climate?
BTW, where is the evidence that we have caused Climate Change to get worse?
[edit on 11-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]
You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know you don't poop where ya eat. Whether we are a cause of anything, or not I am pretty positive no ones helping the issue. Sure they fudge numbers, maybe its not as dire as they say, but they didn't fudge everything, again it does not take to much to see, you put garbage in you get garbage out.
Now as for cooling verse warming, warming and the melting of the ice caps changes the environment and causes cooling. Causes disruptions to the natural flow of heat through the water currents. I think we all know that.
blogocrats.com...
www.timesonline.co.uk...
current.com...
www.awitness.org...
and you know what sucks even more, the colder it gets, the whiter it gets, and it reflects heat back out into space, causing even further cooling.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Ever notice how as soon as you call out any of AGW fanatics with some truth, they shift gears into talking about pollution as if AGW and pollution were exactly one and the same?
And just because they are personally positive that something is going on is proof of exactly what?
Originally posted by centurion1211
Ever notice how as soon as you call out any of AGW fanatics with some truth, they shift gears into talking about pollution as if AGW and pollution were exactly one and the same?
And just because they are personally positive that something is going on is proof of exactly what?
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
Originally posted by centurion1211
Ever notice how as soon as you call out any of AGW fanatics with some truth, they shift gears into talking about pollution as if AGW and pollution were exactly one and the same?
And just because they are personally positive that something is going on is proof of exactly what?
Not quite sure what an AGW fanatic is, so I guess I am not one not even sure what the acro stands for, first and foremost I NEVER said anything causes anything. What I said was it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know if you add crap to our system it is not going to help it. That's it. You might think its natural, that's a fine argument and you may be correct. But we are not helping, and we need not to use some jerks fraud as an excuse. Its is a seperate point then what I was saying about Global cooling. The sites I pointed to were about, global cooling being caused by warming, not who causes the warming. Talking science not opinion.
Facts:
Ice Caps are melting
Changes in the gulf stream are happening
Gulf streams brings heat to northern areas
Pretty simple, you can argue who's fault what is, or if there is any fault or not. Perhaps I should have been more concise with me response.
I was saying 2 different things,
1) We are not helping anything, and a lot of people use the climate fraud issues as an excuse NOT to be good stewards to the planet. (Not saying you, just people do and you know they do)
2) Global Warming CAN make global cooling happen.
Hopefully that clears up my position.