George H.W. Bush Gets Heckled In A Restaurant(Warning: Cursing)

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posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by johnny2127
You presume to know about Prescott ... He wasn't sitting in smokey back rooms, making deals with global elites to exploit the poor and help the Nazi's. You have chosen to ignore that one the Nazi's showed themselves for what they truly were, his company ceased business with them immediately.


Not sure that's a slam-dunk, there Johnny. The Guardian presents a pretty good case saying that things...while still murky...by no means exonerate Prescott from Nazi dealings.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. www.guardian.co.uk...


It is worth a read...because it is not cherry picking, nor is it wild-eyed conspiratorial bumph. (Not that there's anything wrong with that :lol


Oh ya, I knew about that. I wasn't saying Prescott was without fault. Most people forget that when Nazi's and Hitler were rising to power, they were passing themselves off as capitalists that were for helping the poor, working with other countries on trade, and growing their economy out of their depression. It wasn't until later that their true evil agenda came out. Prescott's business and many others did business with the Nazi's and came to regret it big time.

Some examples of businesses doing business with the Nazi's at the same time as Prescott's business: J.P. Morgan Bank, Guaranty Trust, Chase Manhattan Bank, at least three Wall Street houses (Dillon, Read; Harris, Forbes; and, National City Company for sure), Standard Oil (Exxon), Du Pont, Dow Chemical, General Motors, Ford Motors, General Electric (GE.), Westinghouse, Gillette, Goodrich, Singer, Eastman Kodak, Coca-Cola, IBM, and ITT. I think they were all guilty of two things; bad judgment and some greed. But they were not Nazi's. They were businesses trying to make money that chose to believe what the Nazi said, instead of watching what they were actually doing.




posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Alasian
I somehow couldn't imagine presidents going for lunch at small restaurants like that...


Presidents are "people to. They do require feeding occasionaly. when there's no bleeding heart liberals or children around to eat pizza must have to sufice



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
Some examples of businesses doing business with the Nazi's at the same time as Prescott's business: J.P. Morgan Bank, Guaranty Trust, Chase Manhattan Bank, at least three Wall Street houses (Dillon, Read; Harris, Forbes; and, National City Company for sure), Standard Oil (Exxon), Du Pont, Dow Chemical, General Motors, Ford Motors, General Electric (GE.), Westinghouse, Gillette, Goodrich, Singer, Eastman Kodak, Coca-Cola, IBM, and ITT. I think they were all guilty of two things; bad judgment and some greed. But they were not Nazi's.


Which would be why, for instance, Henry Ford published "The International Jew"en.wikipedia.org...

They don't all get a free pass...and I seem to recall IBM helping out with that pesky Jewish problem...and GM in South America selling transport to Germany during the war. C'mon...they didin't have to be Nazis to make money off them...even at the expense of American soldiers.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by johnny2127
Some examples of businesses doing business with the Nazi's at the same time as Prescott's business: J.P. Morgan Bank, Guaranty Trust, Chase Manhattan Bank, at least three Wall Street houses (Dillon, Read; Harris, Forbes; and, National City Company for sure), Standard Oil (Exxon), Du Pont, Dow Chemical, General Motors, Ford Motors, General Electric (GE.), Westinghouse, Gillette, Goodrich, Singer, Eastman Kodak, Coca-Cola, IBM, and ITT. I think they were all guilty of two things; bad judgment and some greed. But they were not Nazi's.


Which would be why, for instance, Henry Ford published "The International Jew"en.wikipedia.org...

They don't all get a free pass...and I seem to recall IBM helping out with that pesky Jewish problem...and GM in South America selling transport to Germany during the war. C'mon...they didin't have to be Nazis to make money off them...even at the expense of American soldiers.


Exactly. I'm not giving them a free pass at all. Like I said, most are guilty of terrible judgment and greed. But they aren't Nazi's.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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wow that was funny look at bush thinkin "how did he know about the plan we need to step our game up" lol



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by johnny2127
Exactly. I'm not giving them a free pass at all. Like I said, most are guilty of terrible judgment and greed. But they aren't Nazi's.


Mind you, some would appear to share an ideology of Fascism and antisemitism...again, Ford comes to mind. Are we then simply dealing in semantics?

And is an apparent amoral 'trading with the enemy' business philosophy from Bush any better a tag?

We should leave off here, as we're getting off topic...but we both have a little to think about.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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Hat's off to that guy! I think he could have been a bit more diplomatic rather than beginning by swearing. In any case, I hope Bush Sr. realises that people are waking up and that his agenda has the possibility of being sabotaged.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by johnny2127
Exactly. I'm not giving them a free pass at all. Like I said, most are guilty of terrible judgment and greed. But they aren't Nazi's.


Mind you, some would appear to share an ideology of Fascism and antisemitism...again, Ford comes to mind. Are we then simply dealing in semantics?

And is an apparent amoral 'trading with the enemy' business philosophy from Bush any better a tag?

We should leave off here, as we're getting off topic...but we both have a little to think about.


Obviously some were anti-semitic, as are many today. ATS is full of anti-semitic hate. Print, film and TV media are full of them as well..But there is a big difference between anti-semitic people such as Henry Ford, and Nazi's. Prescott Bush wasn't even anti-semitic, just a somewhat greedy man when it came to business earlier in his life. Is Mel Gibson a Nazi? No, he's just an idiotic anti-Semite.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Millions of deaths>????
Horse crap...
He's only responsible for a few hundred thousand...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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Good for him. I wish I had the cajones to do the same were I in the same position.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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I love this soooooo much.

Everyone who gets bent out of shape over something so silly as someone having a "potty mouth." You would think that their heads would explode at the mere thought of the amount of corruption proliferating through the American Federal Government.

All of our Presidents have sucked since 1913. The only ones worth anything end up shot...



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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While i got tremendous satisfaction from watching this, i also feel ashamed and i feel pitty to what we have been reduced to.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Obviously some were anti-semitic, as are many today. ATS is full of anti-semitic hate.



Being against the formation of the State of Israel, or against the crimes of Israel is not anti-Semitic. I could use the same argument for people opposed to "Islamic extremists." They are apparently racist...

Calling someone a murderer, when they are in fact murderers, is not racist.



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
While i got tremendous satisfaction from watching this, i also feel ashamed and i feel pitty to what we have been reduced to.


What do you mean "what we've been reduced to?" Have you not studied history? Human beings used to flock to stadiums to witness graphic battles to the death between combatants.

But you sigh because some guy in a pizza shop used some "foul language?"

Lol....

[edit on 1/12/2010 by dalan.]



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 11:50 PM
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Well it seems Bill O'Rielly covered it tonight.

He said that by letting things like this go on unpunished is dangerous, or something to that degree.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by johnny2127

Originally posted by thenothingorchid




Bone hard fact huh? So factual that there are no links or documents to back it up. I am sure you can find some links from conspiracy sites that say the same thing. But Prescott Bush never tried to overthrow the US govt. I cannot believe that people like you believe this drivel. If anything, Prescott was a libertarian, which you would know if you did open-minded research. And George HW Bush never once stated the the UN should control the world. The fact that you even believe this, or state it as fact us ridiculous. His view was that the UN should be shifter to humanitarian purposes. All you point to in conjecture and rumor. You view history without a historical lens. You say I cherry pick, while you and your ilk pick 3 words out of a 20min speech from Bush and call that proof. You presume to know about Prescott and say you have read about what he really thought, but then willfully ignore what he spent his time and money supporting and doing. What was that? The last 20+ years were spent doing Christian charitable work and donating money and time to the poor. He wasn't sitting in smokey back rooms, making deals with global elites to exploit the poor and help the Nazi's. You have chosen to ignore that one the Nazi's showed themselves for what they truly were, his company ceased business with them immediately. Sadly you are just another angry person that has drank the cool-aid, put the blinders on, and found the family and group of people you can blame all the world's problems on. Go ahead, continue ranting and pointing to BS as fact... all you do is hang yourself with your own words.



"Yawn". Okay, Johnny. I said I wasn't coming back, but you dragged me back in. I'll play. I'm gonna give you some homework. Smedley Butler was the General who blew the whistle on the attempted coup. He testified before the house, and spilled the beans on everything he knew. It was called "The Business Plot", and has been widely documented. Throw it into Google, and you'll get over 29 million hits. You've either refused to acknowledge this information, or are ignorant of it's existence. Only one of those is excusable. Do your homework.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 01:53 AM
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Cry me a river, please. The guy in the video needs to get a life.

I'd like to know this guys veiws on Every major issue, Im sure it'll show who is the whacko.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by dalan.
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Obviously some were anti-semitic, as are many today. ATS is full of anti-semitic hate.



Being against the formation of the State of Israel, or against the crimes of Israel is not anti-Semitic. I could use the same argument for people opposed to "Islamic extremists." They are apparently racist...

Calling someone a murderer, when they are in fact murderers, is not racist.



I didn't call you an anti-semite. What you described most likely isn't antisemitism, if and only if you will be even-handed and call the Palestinians that kill innocent men, women and children as murderers too. If your murder radar only works for one side, then the biased and favoritism is proof of antisemitism. But there are many people on ATS that call Jews evil, and pigs, and not deserving to live, etc. Those people are full of hate and bile. Hate an bile, no matter where it is directed is not a constructive thing.



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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This book may be of interest

They Thought They Were Free





But Then It Was Too Late "What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing. "What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it. "This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. "You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time." "Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’" "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think? "To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head. "How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might. "Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late." "Yes," I said. "You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty. "Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’ "And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have. "But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait. "But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. "And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way. "You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined. "Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair. "What then? You must then shoot yourself. A few did. Or ‘adjust’ your principles. Many tried, and some, I suppose, succeeded; not I, however. Or learn to live the rest of your life with your shame. This last is the nearest there is, under the circumstances, to heroism: shame. Many Germans became this poor kind of hero, many more, I think, than the world knows or cares to know." I said nothing. I thought of nothing to say. "I can tell you," my colleague went on, "of a man in Leipzig, a judge. He was not a Nazi, except nominally, but he certainly wasn’t an anti-Nazi. He was just—a judge. In ’42 or ’43, early ’43, I think it was, a Jew was tried before him in a case involving, but only incidentally, relations with an ‘Aryan’ woman. This was ‘race injury,’ something the Party was especially anxious to punish. In the case at bar, however, the judge had the power to convict the man of a ‘nonracial’ offense and send him to an ordinary prison for a very long term, thus saving him from Party ‘processing’ which would have meant concentration camp or, more probably, deportation and death. But the man was innocent of the ‘nonracial’ charge, in the judge’s opinion, and so, as an honorable judge, he acquitted him. Of course, the Party seized the Jew as soon as he left the courtroom." "And the judge?" "Yes, the judge. He could not get the case off his conscience—a case, mind you, in which he had acquitted an innocent man. He thought that he should have convicted him and saved him from the Party, but how could he have convicted an innocent man? The thing preyed on him more and more, and he had to talk about it, first to his family, then to his friends, and then to acquaintances. (That’s how I heard about it.) After the ’44 Putsch they arrested him. After that, I don’t know." I said nothing. "Once the war began," my colleague continued, "resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was ‘defeatism.’ You assumed that there were lists of those who would be ‘dealt with’ later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a ‘victory orgy’ to ‘take care of’ those who thought that their ‘treasonable attitude’ had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty. "Once the war began, the government could do anything ‘necessary’ to win it; so it was with the ‘final solution of the Jewish problem,’ which the Nazis always talked about but never dared undertake, not even the Nazis, until war and its ‘necessities’ gave them the knowledge that they could get away with it. The people abroad who thought that war against Hitler would help the Jews were wrong. And the people in Germany who, once the war had begun, still thought of complaining, protesting, resisting, were betting on Germany’s losing the war. It was a long bet. Not many made it."



posted on Jan, 13 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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OK ALL, I NEVER POST ONLY READ BUT THIS HAS TO BE POSTED, THIS GUY HAS MADE ANOTHER VIDEO.

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