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Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
Lillydale
I am not arguing with you. I am trying to educate you as your point of view is based on some very very shoddy misunderstandings.
Is tobacco smoke the same as wood smoke?
YES - there are some minor differences because the burning of nicotene renders it into Vitamin B3 (very important to stress relief and proper functioning of the nervous system), Solansol (used in the treatment of respiratory disfunction like asthma)
However wood smoke contains the same contaminants like particulate, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, dioxins, metals, formaldehyde etc etc.
The burning of organic material all produces the same contaminants. This would include bbq's, wood burning stoves, oil burning stoves, fuel burning cars, candles, burning aromatic oils etc etc Any burning of organic material produces the same list of 4000 chemicals that burning tobacco produces.
Here is a link:
burningissues.org...
Of what value is it to ban smoking in a fancy restaurant and then burn candles on the table. Of what value is it to "protect the children" from tobacco smoke and then gather them around the fireplace or bbq for some family time.
I can tell you this: a candle weighs ounces, a log weighs pounds and cigarette weighs about 1/2 a gram. Guess what happens when you burn a pound of wood compared to 1/2 a gram of dried leaves?
Tired of Control Freaks
Originally posted by Finn1916
So here in North Carolina, we recenly had a smoking ban in all indoor establishments. The only way around it is to pay an extra fee and build a special smoking room. Fine, the law was passed and it has to be followed. The question is, if the entire point of said establishment is for smoking, isn't it already a special room for smoking? To me, despite the law change, isn't this basically a non issue as a hookah bar is meant soley for smoking? Your thoughts?
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Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
reply to post by Lillydale
ok,you're wrong.
i'm not quoting your wall of text but i'll pull a couple points from memory.
burning is burning,ask a fireman about smoke inhalation. (non-tobacco)
the reason he didn't list all the toxins is the list would be very extensive and incomplete because there are a huge number of other chemicals in the environment as well which react when burned.
baby this, baby that.
the world isn't meant for children,it is meant for adults.
childhood is to train you for life,thats why childrens playtime is ALWAYS imitations of what they think being an adult is all about.
understand this,every time you overreact to make children %100 safe you make them WEAKER.
the car you drove to the restaurant did more damage to your precious snowflake than secondhand smoke did.
[edit on 19-1-2010 by the_grand_pooh-bah]
Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
using babies as canaries in coal mines?
brilliant!that is pretty hardcore though.
as far as combustion goes the reason there are so many different results is that the combustion may not have been complete.
complete combustion leaves mostly water vapor and co2.it's when there isn't enough oxygen to the reaction there can be incomplete combustion.
it's why they have a catalytic converter on cars.
as far as addiction goes that word is WAY overused in society.
true addiction comes with severe physical withdrawal symptoms.
if you are addicted to nicotine you are simply a p**** that needs to learn discipline.
see south park episode 914 bloody mary for a cartoon explanation
or see penn and teller's b.s. about A.A. or twelve steps can't remember which for a live action one.
society needs to cowboy up a bit and stop crying to the government to protect them at every turn then complain when it gets huge and evil.
do you want rights or not?
stop chipping away at the rights of others.
if their smoke is bothering you ask them politely to stop or go elsewhere taking your money with you.
If enough do this the business will ask people to go elsewhere to smoke so they can get your money.
no new laws are needed.
what we need are laws against retards wanting laws for every tiny inconvenience in life.
i quit cigarettes cold turkey 3 months ago after 22 yrs.
i quit oxycontin cold turkey 5 yrs ago after 8 yrs.
the vapors are what carries the drug not the combustion.
these compounds are destroyed by heat.
it's why vaporizers are great
[edit on 19-1-2010 by the_grand_pooh-bah]
Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah
a giant wall of text doesn't make you correct.
if you let your doctor make all your medical choices life will suck for you quickly.
remember swine flu?
mock me all you like.
i was only referring you to a cartoon because that seems more your level.
and i take being called mr.wizard as a complement.
that show kicked a$$.
too bad you didn't learn more from it.
i do read your posts they are just lame,i only respond on plausible opposing arguments.
i won't argue every insignificant point you try to make.
where in my post did i mention marijuana?
maybe you should go work on your reading skills with the teacher and get back to us later.
www.youtube.com...
[edit on 19-1-2010 by the_grand_pooh-bah]
They already have done in parts of a lot of cities! The police seem to be turning a blind eye to it if you're sat at a table on a terrace outside a pub tho. There's a pub I go to that lost permission to have tables out in front. Guess why? You'll love this...
So surely the nanny states are overdue in intervening by protecting us by banning drinking alcohol in public places.