Originally posted by Stop-loss!
reply to post by zazzafrazz
Im willing to risk anything if it means that we are closer to world peace. no price is too high to help others where it counts but thanks again for
your help. peace
From this & everything you've done here, I can see that you're more serious
about upholding your Soldier's Oath of Office than the criminal
pundits in the government are...And I thank God for that. Are you aware of other soldiers (& officers too!) that are openly challenging their issued
orders as being unlawful? This is not a new phenomenon in the military, as it shows in the book titled, "Sir! No, Sir!" revealing that Lawful
Disobedience was practiced in the Vietnam War too...It doesn't take much extrapolation to guess that your case is not
Even though I haven't been under the military Oath of Office for nearly 20 years, I still take that Oath pretty seriously. When I actually hear of
others who know & respect the Oath of Office, I remember what esprit de corps
I pray for your safety (if the idea of an offered prayer doesn't offend you), not only from the obvious enemies you face, but the "domestic
enemies" that continue to enforce lawlessness as if it were Law itself; they're having an ever-greater difficulty in hiding behind "color of law"
than they had just 10 years ago.
Stay true to your Oath & know that you're not alone in doing so. I just hope that We the People can come to understand your position in great enough
numbers to make them bring you home safely.
Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
Don't they hate our freedom?
Nope...They hate that the US government seeks to meddle in the affairs of their own Sovereignty & society; the very government's stand on Foreign
Policy is in direct contradiction with the Constitution & their Oaths to obey it. What they hate is that the US doesn't know when to say "NO" to
violating its own Laws & chasing money when they should be preserving the Law, the Rights & Liberties that all people are born into. Don't you find
that it's pretty contradictory that, for every action performed due to their "hate of our liberty," that the US government uses that as an excuse
to further restrict
our liberties? By the Constitution, our Laws & their Oaths of Office, the government cannot trade off liberty for security,
they must protect both
equally. They must "defend & uphold the Constitution" in part & in whole...They are not given the option to violate
Originally posted by CaptainIraq
I fully support the anti-war movement but unfortunately here on ATS it seems to have taken a turn for the Vietnam era with an anti-troop
Take heart in knowing that there are quite a few that think the same...That supporting the troops is not equal to meaning support the government.
That's what the Oath of Office is all about...Supporting the People, the Law & the Constitution. I find no contradiction in supporting our troops &
railing against the government at the same time. The government is not the Nation...The Nation is the People & the government cannot survive if the
People refuse to support it.
Originally posted by CaptainIraq
This isn't about more oil; it's about who has control of the oil.
Right on the money! (Both figuratively & literally!) This is why we must develop & implement
alternative forms of producing energy...It's not
a Free Market when there's no competition allowed!
This nation was not founded on the principles of conquest & we have no business mucking around in the affairs of other nations, especially with
military might. This is why the Constitution never really established a standing federal
military in the first place...The Right for the States
& People to form Militias are the backbone of a defensive military
, not to be used for offense.
Granted, the Constitution does
mention the President's ability to command the United States military
(Article 2, Section 2
) as well as the State Militias, but only when "called into service"
to do so...The Constitution also states the only Congress can declare a War & that's the basis for the President's Power to Command. I haven't
heard anything specific recently, but at my last knowledge, Congress has not officially declared any war
. A war of "terrorism" cannot be
officially declared, because that's a fight against a kind of combat tactic
, not a specific goal. Also, a war on "terrorists" can't be
lawfully declared because it's a fight against the ideals
people hold that drive them into combat in the first place.
Originally posted by MR BOB
there was a thread about conpiricys that turned out ot be true. in one of them there was a report done by the intelligent agencies in Us to see
whether it was in the best interest of the country to have no wars. they decided no, that the u.s should always be in a war. it is good for the
Actually, if you bother to look into past threads here at ATS (at least a few years) & you keep up with current events, you'll find that, quite
often, yesterday's conspiracy theories
have become today's conspiracy fact
. Humanity has been enduring such conspiracies floating in
the background for (quite probably) longer
than we've been capable of recording our history.
Truly, no war is good for any nation's economy...We still haven't paid off wars from years ago & we're on the verge of bankruptcy in trying to pay
for this one. The only "economy" that grows from wars are those who actually deal with & manufacture the supplies for war. In short, only certain
benefit from war, so they constantly lobby the government to keep wars going.
Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
im not saying i belive thats why we are there all im saying is i dont care, i signed up to deffend my country and its intrests and i trusted them to
be doing the right thing by its people because i really dont think a countrys best intrest is to hang its self ,
That's the difference between you & Stop-Loss...His Oath entreats him to defend & uphold the Constitution, not government "interests;" especially
when the government's "interests" happen to be right in line with corporate
interests. I don't know what the English soldier's Oath is,
but it's just as evident that you don't know what the American soldier's Oath is either. Feel free to look it up for yourself...You can find it on
the websites of any branch of the American military.
Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
sometimes you have to do a little evil to do great of good!
I can see who's kool-aid you've been drinking...The ends don't justify
the means; In truth, the means define
the end. Performing evil
doesn't result in good & two wrongs don't make a right.
In America, we've been reduced by a corrupted government into "voting for the lesser of two evils." But isn't choosing the lesser evil also saying
that the person is still tacitly supporting evil? My votes, for the past 30 years, have been "No Confidence." I got tired of the idea of supporting
evil, whether lesser or greater & I explicitly show it.
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