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Topic started on 10-1-2010 @ 12:57 PM by Skyfloating
The Internet has been of great benefit to almost anyone. This is why its possible drawbacks are overlooked. One of the disadvantages of the Internet is that it is more difficult to discern between information, entertainment, advertisement and propaganda. In many cases, blurring the lines between fact and fiction, truth and lie, reality and irreality is actively sought.

Someone writes an article and posts it to a Blog, a Website or a Discussion-Board.

Is the article secretly being sponsored by a viral-marketing-campaign?
Is the article written with the hidden purpose of political spin?
Is it written to entertain and generate site-clicks?
Is it written to demonize or idolize something or someone?

Or is it actually written to inform tp the best of ones knowledge and truth-as-one-understands-it and for the educational benefit of mankind? There is no way of knowing for sure.

With the age of Internet, the dissemination of Information has become more democratic. But has it become more true? Does it pose a problem that every uneducated idiot with a Blog is now a publisher for Millions and that false information can spread at the speed of light? Is anything being done in school so that children learn about the responsible and fair use of the Internet?

How do you tell between Entertainment, Infotainment, Information, Propaganda?

Some argue that Blogs and News-Sites should not be anonymous. That if people had to post their real name along with the information they post, the information would be more responsible and truthful. Others argue that it should always be anonymous because then posting is more courageous and privacy is protected. I can see merit in both sides. What do you think?


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reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:11 PM by seagull
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Very timely, Sky...

How do you tell between Entertainment, Infotainment, Information, Propaganda?


This is, I feel, the most important part of the OP. How indeed do we tell the difference between facts, and fictions dressed up as fact?

I suppose you do it the same way we used to do it at the library back in the day before the rise of the interwebs... Research, multiple sources, and here's the kicker, a little unbiased thinking. Yep, thinking...open minded, non partisan, clear headed thinking.


reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:13 PM by Clark Savage Jr.
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Excellent post.

To me it is incredible the amount of validity that some give to this medium----particularly while bashing television in the same breath.

The Net can be excellent and useful, obviously. But exactly as an automobile or a firearm, it can be very destructive--or at least harmful---as well. I proposed on here long ago that the internet should be required to have a disclaimer displayed before logging on or reaching a service agreement: "Internet derived information often consists of user generated anonymous opinion and should be verified via independent sources before being taken as fact."Or some such.

A pity, some will say, that such an illustrative disclaimer might even be needed. Yet common sense dictates it would at least hopefully encourage a bit more critical thinking on any user's part.

While I am without doubt a huge fan of this medium its potential to misinform and misdirect can not be overstated.

My two cents.



reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:20 PM by Alethea
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I think our reasoning skills become better developed when we have to weigh evidence and criteria. We learn the slight nuances that determine whether a source is biased or unbiased in their information. This exposure to learning how to reason, weigh, and verify, can eventually help us to pick out the liars when it's not obvious. We also learn skills of seeing through to the motive of propaganda and what the other side intends to gain from manipulating and directing people into a thought pattern or toward taking a specific action.

I think our brains are actually hard-wired for truth because we are always seeking it. And I think we become more discriminating when we find we have been lied to, cheated and abused...especially by those who were supposed to set an example as our "leaders" and "protecters".

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reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:25 PM by loam
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
How do you tell between Entertainment, Infotainment, Information, Propaganda?


I have come to the conclusion that when you really boil it down, for the most part, you can't.

With respect to your question of removing anonymity, I'm convinced that would change little.

Case and point.

[edit on 10-1-2010 by loam]


reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:31 PM by masqua
Has it ever been any different, even with the printed word?

I love books... so much it's almost erotic. The feel, the smell, the sound of quality paper, the weight in my hands. It's tactile and I have literally hundreds of titles at hand and I'd bet a thousand I've given away. I'm talking hardcovers, not paperbacks, because they're only good for the recycle bin.

ALL those books are mostly opinions and it is up to the reader to discern what's uselful, true and important... just like the internet.

Then there were newspapers, journals and magazines. They were even MORE prone to all the dangers of, as you say "blurring the lines between fact and fiction, truth and lie, reality and irreality".

As an active reader of everything that piques my interest ever since I was 7, the need to winnow the wheat from the chaff has been a constant concern. It's no different from the interwebs. Any sites which bemoan expenses and plead for donations is immediately ignored. That there are ads is fine with me in the same way that ads are expected in newspapers and 'zines. No biggie. I even click on some now and then.

The web has the potential to educate the world and the only controls are those imposed by governments with something to hide. Even in cases where the controls are the strictest, the web still allows leaks and that's good news. Think about the tidbits out of Iran and Tibet (among others) and you can see a new global freedom of speech evolving before your very eyes.

I'll put up with the BS people type online simply because I've been doing the same discernment with the printed word for 50 years.

Up the Interwebs.


reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 01:35 PM by redoubt
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Some argue that Blogs and News-Sites should not be anonymous. That if people had to post their real name along with the information they post, the information would be more responsible and truthful. Others argue that it should always be anonymous because then posting is more courageous and privacy is protected. I can see merit in both sides. What do you think?


I would like to address this singular question, as both a blogger and a consumer of information.

First and almost certainly the most important point is that what is being said is far more important than who is saying it. There are no barbed wire fences that prevent a liar from speaking the truth and none that demand that the honest person will not lie.

Trust is wholly overrated because it does not assure any standard that is above question. And if I may, that IS the whole issue here.

If we were to trust no single source of information to be, on its own, above reproach, then we would give all information the scrutiny it and we deserve to be sure that what we are told is indeed truth.

Who says what, is not nearly as important as what, is said by anyone.




reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 02:12 PM by LadySkadi
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How do you tell between Entertainment, Infotainment, Information, Propaganda?


Old fashioned research.

Simple concept that takes a lot of time and effort, but is really one of the fundamental concepts in topic research and should not/cannot be overshadowed by Google. I would be curious to know how many people have forgotten what it's like to actively research avenues other than the Internet? ... Books, journals, professional material... Who knows what the inside of an academic, historical, research or trade library looks like anymore? It comes down to too much information in too little time to sift through it. Most people will take what's easy to get and run with it... Sad really.


reply posted on 10-1-2010 @ 03:27 PM by masqua
Originally posted by Skyfloating
The Freedom-of-Speech for all aspect is powerful. Its why we all embrace the Internet. But in our loving embrace any possible drawbacks are easily overlooked.


Absolutely. The net is chock-a-block with drawbacks and you've outlined a few of them very neatly in your OP. In particular, to me anyways, is viral marketing a scary phenom. It puts me in mind of Orson Welles and his original radio broadcast War of the Worlds. People commited suicide over that, apparently.

Some of them havent even been considered yet - such as, what happens to the mind when it is preoccupied with 2-Dimensional-Screen-Reality rather than 3-Dimensional-Reality-and-Nature?


Friday, I saw Avatar and last night watched a program about the coming of 3-D TV.

Print, in all its forms, has always been 2-dimensional. I can't really see a difference between what I see on a screen from what I see in a magazine for example.

If I were to speculate on what might have a great influence on minds, I'd have to look at gaming in particular. 3-D images of people, aliens or machines getting torn to shreds through the dexterity of ones aim and trigger finger can easily be seen to have a psychological effect on the users.

Before anyone flames me, I have my own Galaxians game from the '70's. I loved it then and I still do, so I'm not anti-gaming at all.

Another danger is using the internet to self-diagnose medical symptoms. I've done it myself and thought I was fine until things got worse and I had to visit the real doc.



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