2012 and the Final Conclusion

No distress call was received from the pilots, but a series of 24 electronic warnings were sent automatically by the twin-engine airliner in its final four minutes as its flight systems shut down one by one. These showed the cockpit was getting faulty airspeed readings and that the autopilot was suddenly disengaged. Navigation and power systems also failed. The messages have focused suspicions on the plane's exterior airspeed sensors, known as pitot probes. There is speculation the tubes may have iced up during a storm at high altitude, leaving them sending conflicting signals to the cockpit avionics computers, which began to shut down.

This was the 'apparent' avionics failure for the flight.

so what do the french do? Send a nuclear submarine to find the black box.
Article on Air France

and here is something else I just picked up on.

Never heard of the site, but was looking for the russian scientist's work on mars global warming, found something else.

Ice Age.

The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall, ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around 2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up again.

BBC 'Warming'

Latest warming Dr Solanki is presenting a paper on the reconstruction of past solar activity at Cool Stars, Stellar Systems And The Sun, a conference in Hamburg, Germany. He says that the reconstruction shows the Maunder Minimum and the other minima that are known in the past thousand years. But the most striking feature, he says, is that looking at the past 1,150 years the Sun has never been as active as it has been during the past 60 years. Over the past few hundred years, there has been a steady increase in the numbers of sunspots, a trend that has accelerated in the past century, just at the time when the Earth has been getting warmer. The data suggests that changing solar activity is influencing in some way the global climate causing the world to get warmer. Over the past 20 years, however, the number of sunspots has remained roughly constant, yet the average temperature of the Earth has continued to increase. This is put down to a human-produced greenhouse effect caused by the combustion of fossil fuels. This latest analysis shows that the Sun has had a considerable indirect influence on the global climate in the past, causing the Earth to warm or chill, and that mankind is amplifying the Sun's latest attempt to warm the Earth.

'Latest warming Dr Solanki is presenting a paper'- Lets find this

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question time people ask away and lets see if we can make some progress and fix any missing blanks with proper research

S & F for all the great links, I lost a few of them.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by Lavey2
Snip

Lol - thanks for the adorable name calling.

Ill even flag your thread, because no one else is and that is a sure fire sign that few people are taking you seriously. S&F for your efforts though.

See you 23/12/2012.

Like i said, i'm going to bump this thread when the time comes.

Try not to ignore it, ill even U2U to make sure you are aware of the bumping.

Btw - that guy in those videos posted to "support you "valid" argument, is not a Geologist, if you read what a geologist has to say, they say that this guy does not read the chart properly when it comes to ice ages and their time lines of occurring. That is hilarious and typical of the like minded people (to you) who attempt to teach people they know nothing about - while offering unsubstantiated and twisted/distorted interpretations of real scientific data.

Just like what you are trying to do. You are not qualified, you disregarded a link i gave you that pretty much shuts down your entire idea, which comes from a person who has a degree in the very thing that WOULD support your idea, but does not.

Good luck with this lame thread.

[Mod Edit - removed quote]

[edit on 22/1/2010 by Sauron]

Also - i have alerted the Mod's to your behavior in this topic.

You violate a few of the T&C's in your comments and show further that you have no place making any of your unsubstantiated comments or personal opinions.

If you think "trolling" is some one who can give 1 link and effectively destroy your entire argument, then there is something definitely wrong with your logic.

Trolling is pointless argument making based on nothing at all. However i gave you something and you ignored it. Self promoted ignorance on your part.

You do research, yes - but have you EVER spoken to a scientist about your opinions on what would happen?

I doubt it, if you had - you wouldn't be posting this 2012 doomsday rubbish.

Notice i dont have to revert to name calling to get my point across.

Btw - your high school graduate certificate does not equate to being more educated than myself. That is actually hilarious.

You would fail hard at University, because they require credible sources not based on personal opinion. Not to mention when you are showed to be misguided, you cannot fly off the handle and call your lecturer names and chuck hissy fits.

You have to earn Pass marks.

This thread earns a solid A in conspiracy links

And an F for genuine scientific backing.

Like i said, the things you have mentioned are POSSIBILITIES. But scientists ALL OVER THE WORLD can see that there are no circumstances coming where this event would take place.

Okay, people, seems some members need a wee reminder to post on topic.
Consider this that reminder.
Thank you.
Sauron,
Moderator.

Originally posted by redeyedwonder
reply to post by spinalremain

 

At this point I will refute your link, which is not reported as a scientific anything, but an article written, by guess what? A writer! I don't see any doctoral following his name either.

In the very first paragraph he states
"It is not known with precision how far north we are of the galactic plane"

So then its not known how far below it we we might be either...I tried all day today to find your so called scientific proof we were above the galactic plane, I could not. So I will ask anybody to find out something for sure, and please post it here, instead of citing a writers work on a web site that looks like it was made by a sophmore in HS.

Seriously? you researched and couldn't find anything??

i googled "earth pass through galactic equator 2012" and was rewarded with thousands of articles relating to how we are not and how we already have.

examples:

www.idialstars.com...

www.universetoday.com...

Seriously, if this is the kind of research you guys have been doing - you need to learn to research harder and better.

reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic


Again your 1st link does not prove that we are above the plane, and looks amateurish, and your second does not prove we are above the plane either, if you only site links, where theory is supplied, (and you only give two), how are we to side with you...

I'm not taking your word alone, I put the call out to other members, as you do not prove your case with the links you provide.

By the way all that 2012 meant to the Mayans was, that we have completed the rotation around the galaxy, starting a new Sun cycle. Sorry, no doom no gloom. Just the completion of a cycle.

But my searching yesterday, did not turn up any PROOF that we are above the plane, under the plane, or near the plane, let alone which direction we are headed acending or decending...just theory.

As the galactic plane is thousands of miles thick, and we don't have cameras out far enough away to show us our exact position, we can only guess at this time.

Originally posted by redeyedwonder
reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic

 

Again your 1st link does not prove that we are above the plane, and looks amateurish, and your second does not prove we are above the plane either, if you only site links, where theory is supplied, (and you only give two), how are we to side with you...

I'm not taking your word alone, I put the call out to other members, as you do not prove your case with the links you provide.

By the way all that 2012 meant to the Mayans was, that we have completed the rotation around the galaxy, starting a new Sun cycle. Sorry, no doom no gloom. Just the completion of a cycle.

But my searching yesterday, did not turn up any PROOF that we are above the plane, under the plane, or near the plane, let alone which direction we are headed acending or decending...just theory.

As the galactic plane is thousands of miles thick, and we don't have cameras out far enough away to show us our exact position, we can only guess at this time.

Guess.... dear god.

What PROOF do you have that these events will take place? none.

These "amateurish" sites and blogs are from people qualified in their respective fields.

Believe what you want - seriously, if you want to buy into 2012 rubbish then there's nothing that can be done about it.

This is not even research, it was the result of a 2 second google search, of which, brought up multitudes of information regarding the hoaxes behind the fear and alarmist information brought about by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Even NASA (Govt Org btw) refuted their own previous views about a massive solar storm...

Enough of this.

Seeya 23/12/2012

Originally posted by redeyedwonder
reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic

 

Again your 1st link does not prove that we are above the plane, and looks amateurish, and your second does not prove we are above the plane either, if you only site links, where theory is supplied, (and you only give two), how are we to side with you...

I'm not taking your word alone, I put the call out to other members, as you do not prove your case with the links you provide.

By the way all that 2012 meant to the Mayans was, that we have completed the rotation around the galaxy, starting a new Sun cycle. Sorry, no doom no gloom. Just the completion of a cycle.

But my searching yesterday, did not turn up any PROOF that we are above the plane, under the plane, or near the plane, let alone which direction we are headed acending or decending...just theory.

As the galactic plane is thousands of miles thick, and we don't have cameras out far enough away to show us our exact position, we can only guess at this time.

Heres a website where SCIENTISTS post their findings on the things brought up in this thread.. www.earthsky.org... go here and ask the search engine what you want.

If you are expecting me to sit here and copy and paste multitudes of information that is well outside, yours or my intellectual vocabulary - i won't do it - deny ignorance by searching for yourself. It's a waste of time to post knowledge that falls outside your/my understanding and would most likely be taken out of context. So, what you should be doing is searching for sites of notability for information and questions.

Here's an idea, do what my friend did - E-mail a scientist, the site i provided you with or any other site, even the NASA site will have contact methods where you can pose questions to the scientists and get an educated and well placed response.

Eg.

"If you have a question about space and astronomy
Drop by the Bad Astronomy/Universe Today forum and ask your question. There are thousands of astronomy enthusiasts there, including specialists in many disciplines. They're super smart, and on the site all hours of the day. In fact, we've got a special section just for people to post their questions. Check it out."

Google "bad astronomy/universe today and the site will pop up. These people (REAL scientists) are DEDICATED to denying ignorance and should be applauded considering they actually have the qualifications to back up their statements.

Here's a link if you cannot be bothered googling it. www.bautforum.com...

Good luck.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by FeralMonkeyMagic]

reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic


What events? Are you blind? I only asked for proof of where we were in regards to the galactic plane. That was my only question. Im sorry if I bruised your ego by asking it.

I am not buying into any doomsday anything, I put to you that the 2 sources you gave, do not prove we are above the plane, nice try at the ol bait and switch though.

reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic


Well thank you for giving me two new links to check for my answer..
At least these appear to have more info. Sorry about the above post it went in after yours citing 2 new links.


quote from www.earthsky.org Bruce McClure


"All scientific abstracts with which I am familiar claim the solar system is north of the galactic plane. Furthermore, the solar system will continue to travel north of the galactic plane for millions of years to come. According to the computational wizard, Jean Meeus, the solstice points were in alignment with the galactic equator (plane) in 1998. However, since the sun is a disk and not a point, I suppose you could say that a portion of the December solstice sun will align with the galactic equator (plane) for a period of about 36 years, centered on 1998. That represents the period from about 1980-2016."


Abstacts? Claims?
So we may be above it but not out of it? Hmmmm


and from the second...
www.bautforum.com...


"But hang on for a minute while I rustle up some links...

Edit: I'm back. I have a collection of links to 2012-related topics in BAUT Forum that probably include some that address your particular concern about 2012. (And, I'm pleased to announce the expansion of the list to include some links to some parent-sites Universe Today and Bad Astronomy Blog articles debunking aspects of some 2012 predictions. More are welcome any time.) Sorry, answers to your specific inquiry about galactic-plane eclipsing might take a while to find in this list because there are so many aspects to 2012 predictions. Top of my head, it's not gonna happen, unless your definition of galactic-plane eclipsing is so mundane that it will happen not only in 2012, but in every year. But, details are in here somewhere:"


Probably? Top of my head? Hmmmm. I guess I am qualified enough to guess and throw links at theories too. Needless to say I am still researching, and that I do read the articles cited, I did not care if we crossed it in 2012 or not, just where our position is...and at least some science to back it up.

Thanks for trying anyway.

Edited to remove double spacing...








[edit on 23-1-2010 by redeyedwonder]

Originally posted by redeyedwonder
reply to post by FeralMonkeyMagic

 

Well thank you for giving me two new links to check for my answer..
At least these appear to have more info. Sorry about the above post it went in after yours citing 2 new links.


quote from www.earthsky.org Bruce McClure


"All scientific abstracts with which I am familiar claim the solar system is north of the galactic plane. Furthermore, the solar system will continue to travel north of the galactic plane for millions of years to come. According to the computational wizard, Jean Meeus, the solstice points were in alignment with the galactic equator (plane) in 1998. However, since the sun is a disk and not a point, I suppose you could say that a portion of the December solstice sun will align with the galactic equator (plane) for a period of about 36 years, centered on 1998. That represents the period from about 1980-2016."


Abstacts? Claims?
So we may be above it but not out of it? Hmmmm


and from the second...
www.bautforum.com...


"But hang on for a minute while I rustle up some links...

Edit: I'm back. I have a collection of links to 2012-related topics in BAUT Forum that probably include some that address your particular concern about 2012. (And, I'm pleased to announce the expansion of the list to include some links to some parent-sites Universe Today and Bad Astronomy Blog articles debunking aspects of some 2012 predictions. More are welcome any time.) Sorry, answers to your specific inquiry about galactic-plane eclipsing might take a while to find in this list because there are so many aspects to 2012 predictions. Top of my head, it's not gonna happen, unless your definition of galactic-plane eclipsing is so mundane that it will happen not only in 2012, but in every year. But, details are in here somewhere:"


Probably? Top of my head? Hmmmm. I guess I am qualified enough to guess and throw links at theories too. Needless to say I am still researching, and that I do read the articles cited, I did not care if we crossed it in 2012 or not, just where our position is...and at least some science to back it up.

Thanks for trying anyway.

Edited to remove double spacing...
[edit on 23-1-2010 by redeyedwonder]

My ego doesn't come into this - that is indeed a bizarre statement to have put forward. Strange you would even say something like that "ego" comment, as it does not make a difference to the argument either way, just an attempt on your part to come off sounding as if you have any idea about my psychology, which you definitely do not.

Anyway, enough of that;

I'm not a scientist - my studies are completely outside the field of astrological science, however when i was studying - i learned to go straight to the sources that were versed/knowledgeable on the idea i was trying to expand upon, otherwise my search would no doubt take me to places and ideas that are not factual and are unrelated in the ultimate sense - leaving me with nothing learned.

This is how you get pass marks - this is how the world functions and this is how science has grown over time - by basing ideas on known fact (researched using standard scientific logic and protocol).

Btw - i don't attempt to bait you by any means, but i am wondering if you can justify your ideas yourself? For example, what is the purpose of you asking if we are/not in/moving out of the galactic plane? I have an idea, but i would like to know from you.

Have you ever thought that he is giving you links;

1. Because that's all the evidence you can go on through the internet?

2. He can't be bothered explaining information that you would no doubt not understand due to the overall complexity of the question you (me included) are asking and the esoteric nature of the subject.

Be prepared for short answers when posing questions like this, unless you get some one who is not sick of answering this "galactic plane" question for the trillionth time - as for what i have read regarding this, there is no reason to be alarmed when such a natural occurrence takes place, no extra forces are pushed onto earth/solar system - so what's the point (drive behind finding out)?

I have heard though, that when we are in the Galactic plane, there MIGHT be heightened chances of celestial objects hitting earth, though this has also been proved possible, but not out of the ordinary/something to worry over - mini comets hit earth/moon/sun/jupiter/saturn etc all the time - there is no reason to believe that us passing through this plane would have any overall negative effect on us or our solar system.

I mean, what else do you want them to say? "Go and read this book", "study astrology for 5 years" then come back and answer your own question? No, they actually want to help you - but in a timely manner that won't require you to have studied the degree in said area...

Also, as far as assuming you are into this whole 2012 stuff, you are in a 2012 thread, posting and reply posting to a person who has extreme claims of what is going to happen in 2012.

I am in here to give a sense of balance to the arguments while also enjoying the responses. It sounds like an excellent fiction novel to be honest - The OP has a vivid imagination and is attempting to show [definitive] connection between things like, solar flares, polar shifts, galactic alignment, fault lines, volcanos, dinosaur extinction, human made viruses and the imminent threat of falling Satellites filled with plutonium....

So please excuse me for assuming that in your support of one or two of his ideas, i might have addressed some of his concerns and you may have felt i was solely directing them at you. By no means. The information i posted here is for any viewer to see and research themselves.

Again, i am not here to post numerous links - you need to learn to research on your own. I am glad however, that you decided to at least follow those two (polar opposite links) i provided.

I tried to demonstrate that in those two links, there were not only the amateur astronomers saying that there is no danger when it does, but also genuine scientists with the same sentiments. However, as i stated previously, all you need to do to find more links showing info on "galactic equator" is to search different phrases.

Good Luck on your research

[edit on 23-1-2010 by FeralMonkeyMagic]

My, this all sounds astonishingly familiar. Hmmmm....

[Look down]

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz

My, this all sounds astonishingly familiar. Hmmmm....

[Look down]

No jokes mate...

I think i have been hearing theories like this for 15 years...



btw - i read your threads and yes, i agree, at times the earth has seemed to "reset" itself so to speak. But given the technology that we, not to mention semi-pros can get their hands on - id be incredibly surprised if something huge (a comet perhaps) was coming for us and we had no notice whatsoever.

On another point, if we are all going to die, well - that's how it will roll, can't swim against the current. What i am saying though, is that there is no reason to believe that 2012 is going to bring any destruction on us.

Wiki (i know, i know, i know... lol) the 2012 phenomenon. Some very interesting facts that relate to more than just 2012, but to doomsday theories in general.

I have to say though - even though i'm not worried about 2012 - or any natural disaster, i am worried about WAR. Man is definitely capable of doing something like that, i mean - we have been doing it for thousands of years. We just have sharper sticks now is the only thing... it's definitely in human nature to war, or want to war.. so yeah - that's the only worrying thing for me.

[edit on 23-1-2010 by FeralMonkeyMagic]

reply to post by Orion_grey


I never said my belief was a fact. Thats what the OP did. I called it a belief because that's exactly what it is. We all have beliefs and inclinations because absolutely no one knows what is going to happen/.

You made the mistake of thinking that I am trying to convince the OP of what will or will not happen because I am refuting his theory. I refuted part of his equator theory because it is wrong. Our Solar System already passed through what he calls the equator. That's all. I didn't contradict myself. I said that I believe we aren't due for another extinction for some time. No one can prove either way and that's my point. The OP started the thread claiming all these ideas as fact. You need to understand the difference.

sorry sauron, that member was baiting me.


Just want to make it clear people, I have corrected myself with 1 thing, the ecliptic, but the idea that we are going to go through a pole shift is not incorrect.

I have touched on 'chemtrails' with sulphur dioxide.

Now I am going to talk about the Cretaceous period and the mass extinction.

I am also going to talk more on the dark matter galaxy crashing into our own.

I am also going to talk more about the Volcano in the philipines and the strange weather being felt in Europe and the fact it could last 50 years.


PART I) 70,000,000 years ago.

The death of the dinosaurs and the period which was the final period has not been ever fully explained. Nor does the fact that we have evidence linking it to a dramatic change in climate, meteors and finally an ice age.

Now I will try to articulate this matter as best I can.

We have several factors which occur precisely at that time

FIRST MAJOR FACTOR- Dark Galaxy Crashing into the Milky Way

To have survived, it must contain much more matter than previously thought, in order to provide enough gravity to hold it together. Calculations by Matthew Nichols and Joss Bland-Hawthorn of the University of Sydney, Australia, indicate that it has about 100 times the previously estimated mass

Now has anyone actually thought about the risk that such a thing poses?

I could go on for hours about the risk of another star crashing into our on... I bet someone is going to use this as another scapegoat for 'nibiru'... please dont ever start.

The last time this happened was around the time of the end of the 'dinosaurs'.

the other event which has been believed to have taken place in that are was the shifting of the continents.

this era was known as the 'Paleogene' era.
Wiki article

Some continental motion took place. Climates cooled somewhat over the duration of the Paleogene and inland seas retreated from North America early in the Period. This period consists of the Paleocene, Eocene, and Oligocene Epochs. The end of the Paleocene (55.5/54.8 Ma) was marked by one of the most significant periods of global change during the Cenozoic, a sudden global change, the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, which upset oceanic and atmospheric circulation and led to the extinction of numerous deep-sea benthic foraminifera and on land, a major turnover in mammals. The Paleogene follows the Cretaceous Period and is followed by the Miocene Epoch of the Neogene Period. The terms 'Paleogene System' (formal) and 'lower Tertiary System' (informal) are applied to the rocks deposited during the 'Paleogene Period'. The somewhat confusing terminology seems to be due to attempts to deal with the comparatively fine subdivisions of time possible in the relatively recent geologic past, when more information is preserved. By dividing the Tertiary Period into two periods instead of five epochs, the periods are more closely comparable to the duration of 'periods' in the Mesozoic and Paleozoic Eras.

So during the end of this period 70 million years ago we saw a dramatic change in climate and the shifting of the continents.

Sounds nuts right?

well maybe not so, if the idea of a pole shift is correct it could explain a lot.

But the question remains what exactly is responsible for a pole shift??

Is it the sun? is it the ecliptic? we dont know, we dont even know where we are the in milky way or even the distance from the ecliptic the last time i checked.

We still have so much to learn.

But towards the Jurassic period we saw a cooling 'trend' now how could that have been explained?

Climate: The Berriasian epoch showed a cooling trend that had been seen in the last epoch of the Jurassic. There is evidence that snowfalls were common in the higher latitudes and the tropics became wetter than during the Triassic and Jurassic.[7] Glaciation was however restricted to alpine glaciers on some high-latitude mountains, though seasonal snow may have existed farther south.

Now lets just say that 70 million years ago, the sun started going through a reversal, the sun does a flip and causes the mantle of the earth to change direction. With that we can propose the 'super volcano theory' which is responsible for the 'ice age' and the beginnings of climate change in the past.
P hillipines Volcano

now the idea that the weather in the Northern Hemisphere is related to 'us' is ridiculous.... we have a massive amount of sulfur dioxide being released into the atmosphere, which can be 'used' to cool regions but also create acid rain.
www.weather.com...

Which form, and how intense, the imminent Mayon eruption takes is not known. But at its extreme it could have global environmental ramifications. If the explosion is upward and intense enough to send dust and sulfur dioxide particles (aerosols) into the stratosphere (roughly above 50,000 feet), it could have effects that last for several years. An explosive eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 was of that type. It resulted in a warming in the stratosphere, and a near-surface cooling of about a half degree Fahrenheit globally (a fraction more in the Northern Hemisphere) for about two years. The near-surface cooling results from reflection of sunlight off the dust and sulfate aerosols, so less sunshine to warm the ground and air nearby. Thus, explosive volcanoes are one way that the Earth can offset global warming. Those aerosol and dust particles result in some spectacular red sunsets around the globe. But the sulfates in the stratosphere are one of the agents that can result in accelerated destruction of the ozone layer. A bit more ultraviolet radiation gets through, with its risks of sunburn and skin cancer.

OK so it can destroy the Ozone layer as well!

Well I hate to point out during a solar storm we are also blasted with radiation and Australia will have a higher level of solar radiation hitting it and the fallout levels are expected to hit Northern QLD the hardest and also a trend of weather to a point where it is uninhabitable.

So?

About 1950 we saw a peak in Solar Activity and a decreased level of Temperature.

Does anyone have access to sophisticated graphing software which can compare these two and has access to date to which these can be correlated?

And on top of that they want to encourage the spraying of Sulphur Dioxide into the atmosphere to 'combat' global warming.
Sulpur Dioxide idea to combat global warming

Now lets say that the reason why we are getting all these more extreme and frequent earthquakes is because the sun is going through a 'reversal'
NASAS article 'when the sun does a flip'

When the sun does a flip

Now did anyone pay attention to this

Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur.

OK so did he just say "OVERDUE?"

and when exactly could that happen?

Does this all sound like too much coincidence? because in the world of science there is no such thing as coincidence.
NASA ARTICLE ABOUT SUNSPOTS AND WEATHER

How are sun spots related to Earth's weather? We don't know exactly. During the 1600's, there were no sun spot cycles observed, and Europe was in the grip of what climatologists call the Little Ice Age. Since 1700, there have been more or less regular cycles of typical length 11 years. Careful measurements of the luminosity of the Sun from satellite observations have shown that, when sun spots are present, the Sun is actually brighter, even though the spots themselves are dark! Surrounding regions of the solar surface become slightly brighter and in fact over compensate for the loss of luminosity by the sun spots. But this modulation of the solar output by sun spots produces only a 0.04 percent change in the solar constant, so it is very hard to believe that it has any direct affect upon earth weather. Some studies have suggested that the average ocean temperature increases and decreases, world-wide, by 0.5 degrees C in phase with the sun spot cycle, but the mechanism is not understood. This entire subject is still under heavy investigation, because logically, any changes on the sun ought to have some level of climatic impact. Its just that there are so many other 'cycles within cycles' on the Earth, that solar effects, if they exist at all, are badly hidden.

OK so we have several coincidences right?

Sun flips, solar storms, geomagnetic effects and ect.

Now lets also say that this could be related to the pole shift?

Maybe the pole shift isnt as bad as we all thought?

Maybe there are different levels of danger?

This begs the question.

If the severity of a solar storm can impact on the effects of weather,
and also be related to the changing of the mantles direction, would it make sense that if we do undergo pole shifts would it also be related on a scale of how fast or severe a solar storm is?

lets say that if the storm is weak and not sudden, would it also make sense that if we were to undergo a pole shift it would also be weak and gradual?



[edit on 24-1-2010 by Lavey2]

could the impacts also be different according to which direction the earth is facing the sun?

we could have different outcomes if a single factor changes.