Okay.. well.. Since you seem to be basing your disproof of global warming on the fact that it's cold -- during winter -- then when summer rolls around, if it's still really, really cold, I'll support this.

I was always under the impression that a global warming would include an ice age. I never understood those who insisted that GW means we'd fry, it just isn't logical. I won't go into why it isn't logical, many have already posted facts about gulf streams, weather patterns and all that here before; which only leads me to think the OP's linked article only CONFIRMS global warming.

I do know that here in MA we had only an extended spring, no summer, and this winter so far isn't as bad as past years--which all strengthen my thoughts on a coming rapid cooling time consistent with a **global warming theory.

I am often mistaken though.


**My personal GW theory: Earth changes. That sun sure is bright.

Got to admit that I have felt for the last 20 years that our seasons (at least here on the SE coast of the UK) have been messed up..

so I would not be surprised if we are moving into a mini ice age..


Was rather hoping we would get a little more tropical tho and finally get some sun to my lilly white legs

This isn't anything new. Just the un-scientists are starting to notice now.
Poles are in the process of shifting for awhile now. Ocean currents are changing. Redistribution of ice is happening.
If only we could get trees to grow in the Sahara... that would be really cool.
China seeding clouds and changing the direction of rivers isn't cool.

Considering they seem to have trouble working out if it's going to snow in the next day, week etc. then I find it hard to believe this...it makes sense, but I think it simply comes down to a few possible things:

1) Seasons are cyclic by nature and we are going to have some proper distinguished seasons again, which will over the next 20 / 30 years become intertwined again so its hard to distinguish between them (as it has been the last few years) and then it resets and repeats...

2) GW (or climate change) is the cause and things are going to get worse between the summer/winter seasons. (Note: GW/climate change being natural and not man-made).

3) There are changes going on related to space/sun etc. and we are entering a mini ice-age.

Take your pick.

[edit on 10/1/10 by AlwaysQuestion]

Is this like evolution? We change with the climate changes?
Or are the aliens making is snow too much?

To be honest, England didnt have a summer in 2009, it was so cold for a summer and i can see with my own eyes that the weather is getting colder, i dont need a scientist to tell me that, people need to stop being sheep and believing everything they are told, we are well over due an ice age and you only gotta look around to see how the weather is changing dramatically.

Just so you know, Australia will not be taking part in the upcoming ice age.
40°C+ is all we need.

Originally posted by Itop1
To be honest, England didnt have a summer in 2009,

I live in Western New York and all I heard about in Autumn was how we did not ever get a summer in 2009 either.

Actually, Latif's model (from Keenlyside et al., 2008) suggests the 'global cooling' (more a global 'pause' really) should have started in 1995.



Red is Hadley observations, black is modelled IPCC scenario projection, and green is the Keenlyside et al. model.

It was already diverging from actual observations in the latter parts of the hindcast verification. The general idea is that good models should be able to reproduce past observations.

But I like the way the article (and hisself) is bigging up his model as saying more than it actually is. I guess he thinks the observations will start trending down towards their model, lol. Time will tell (2009 was around .44'C on that figure).

Wonder if they took the offer of the 2500Euro bet from James Annan et al?

[edit on 10-1-2010 by melatonin]

Originally posted by pazcat
Just so you know, Australia will not be taking part in the upcoming ice age.
40°C+ is all we need.

Your not in the northern hemisphere, that is why you are not seing the effects.