reply to post by Tantalus
The spreading of his word stuff came later. The Bible says that God had his followers such as Adam and Eve for thousands or maybe even millions of
years before God ever told Moses to write and pass the word down. But that depends on how one reads the creation story how much time passed.
However, before Moses, God just made covenants with followers which were basically just verbal agreements with a particular person or group of people
and usually just promises of things to come or an explanation for why something is the way it is. He didn't order anyone to write it down and spread
it until much much later.
But then when he did, he did it so the Israelites could become a people. That would lead to the coming of Jesus from those people and then that would
lead to a solution to our sin which was Jesus and his sacrifice and the Gospel means "good news". Spreading the NT means you're spreading the good
Now I read Genesis as God created us just like he did the other animals. Without a care in the world to frolic and do whatever.
But I think the Garden of Eden story and the Tree of Knowledge story is either literal or a metaphorical story about how we gained consciousness.
It's either a literal tree of knowledge or perhaps a metaphorical story about how humans evolved consciousness and self awareness.
And with that conscious came the knowledge of right and wrong and therefore sin entered the world. Like in Genesis. If you read carefully God doesn't
care that Adam and Eve are naked. That's the way he made them and that's the way they were the whole time. They were animals. What he got upset
about is that Adam and Eve hid from him and were ashamed of their nakedness and so didn't want to be in the presence of God anymore.
Like when an animal is naked there's no problem. It's animal duh. It doesn't know any better. But now humans were ashamed of God's creation
because they had developed consciousness and so now they were to live in sin. Now, they "knew" better. Or so they thought anyway.
Because we were animals. We were designed to live like animals and do animal things with animal like desires, but now we have this conscious hanging
on us and now we're conflicting with ourselves. We weren't designed to be perfect rule followers, but now we go around making up rules all the time.
We will always fall short of that because that's not what we were originally designed for and so we can never be at one with ourselves and the
universe. We are always hiding from the presence of God because of our shame because we can't live up to our own standards.
Or not. Maybe one doesn't agree with that, but even if you don't think that's the case, I think that's what the writer(s) of the story were trying
So now we're not in the presence of God and what does that mean? I think it's a metaphor for our more natural state and being in harmony with
nature. I mean humans worry and stress to the point they get sick and get mad and steal and kill each other and do evil things and then feel guilt
Or sometimes they do good things and go try to help the sick and the poor, but they we have sadness and more guilt because we either see the sick and
the poor or we are the sick and the poor.
And then we have these ups and downs of fleeting happiness and sadness and we ruin the earth's resources and all kinds of things just because we're
not in harmony. We're not in our natural environment anymore because there really is no natural environment for a human anymore. That's why we build
houses of course.
But now we have this sin and guilt hanging off us while the animals that are still animals are just animals and they just do animal things and go
about their business just fine in perfect harmony with the world like they were designed to do without making up rules and therefore they never break
any rules and therefore they don't have any sin nor any knowledge of right and wrong. They don't have to feel guilt or worry about it.
So I think that's what God was mad about. Or you could say worried about. How is he going to deal with this new situation? And maybe it's all just a
metaphor too. But it all leads up to Jesus to make a way of forgiveness so we can rid ourselves of this self imposed sin and shame when all God
designed us to do was frolic around naked in a garden. Whatever God is of course.
But you could ask not only why did he create us? But why did he create the earth at all or the universe or the other animals? Especially the entire
universe when we all just fit on this one planet? To show off his glory maybe? That's what some say, but I don't know. Maybe he just did it because
he wanted to?
What is God? Is it just the laws of nature? The universe? Is it really a conscious being outside our perception? I don't really know, but I think the
answer to why the universe was created or just happened depending on what you believe, depends on what God is or what you believe it is and if
there's an answer I'm not sure the why has completely been revealed yet.
We also have to consider the possibility that there is an answer to the question, but it's simply not one we're able to comprehend at this point
[edit on 10-1-2010 by tinfoilman]