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Assuming Steven Greer is right

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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Well, they have radar data, visual sightings (multiple people), infrared video, documentations.. I think (if not hoaxes) it's pretty safe to say the phenomenon is very real.

Blue Shift: Not at all true. There's more than two schools viewing the current situation; they might be completely uninterested in our social lives, but view us more like animals. Pierce/mark us, study us from the distance. It's like fish thinking about the fisherman. We cannot possibly understand them or their motives.




posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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I think Dr Greer's assertion that disclosure will help everyone is not because of the sudden knowledge that we are not alone and have been visited for tens of thousands of years.

Disclosure will change everything because with disclosure comes the open knowledge of the technology that will eliminate the need for fossil fuels.

I really do not believe the big secret is being kept because TPTB are afraid we will not handle it well, I don't think they give a rat's ass about that. Its all about money and power. The free energy secrets that will be revealed by disclosure threaten the greedy ba***rds.

Maybe they got to Greer and thats why he is out under the stars "channeling"
instead of putting heat on whatever government was going to reveal all.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Tryptych
Well, they have radar data, visual sightings (multiple people), infrared video, documentations.. I think (if not hoaxes) it's pretty safe to say the phenomenon is very real.



Yes I know that and there are lots of reasons to take the UFO subject seriously from government documentary evidence, radar/sonar evidence, ground trace evidence, electromagnetic interference evidence, circumstantial evidence...


But there's just no unequivocable proof.


If you disagree can you tell me what it is and who's got it?


Cheers.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ashflash
He talks about a 'wonderful' future for mankind; but how?


I do not see how aliens would bring that to society. The world has always to be practical, not in a wild your great vision mode of utopia.

Alien disclosure would never bring happiness to 6 billion peoples.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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Well, I don't think it can get more unequivocable than than. But they still remain as UFOs (at least to the public). Unidentified, that is.

Maybe the only way to understand what they really are is gettin' into close range of these supposed aliens.

We are destroying ourselves, dwelling in our own stupidity, destroying the earth. The so called disclosure couldn't make things any worse.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by karl 12
Yes I know that and there are lots of reasons to take the UFO subject seriously from government documentary evidence, radar/sonar evidence, ground trace evidence, electromagnetic interference evidence, circumstantial evidence...


But there's just no unequivocable proof.


What sort of evidence would constitute unequivocable proof?

An alien corpse? Video footage of a ship landing and aliens walking out? A government document that says aliens are real?

People can be quick to say "there's no proof", but they can never seem to articulate what would constitute actual "proof".



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by cupocoffee
What sort of evidence would constitute unequivocable proof?



That's a very important question and I think for many people to embrace and accept confirmation of the subject it would take a physical UFO (or UFO occupant) on display in the public domain - even then many cynics would probably have a problem with it.

'Unequivocable proof' by its very definition means a conclusive reason why everyone should be convinced - not just you or me. If you can think of any specific examples then I'd be very interested to hear them as to my mind the UFO subject is still a complete mystery and if I knew for sure what these objects were (and where they came from) then I wouldn't bother researching the subject any more.


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Another issue to consider is “What constitutes proof?” Also, who is authorized to tell the world that UFOs as an extraterrestrial or inter-dimensional phenomenon either exist or don’t exist? In science, the concept of proof is well defined and facts are not supposed to be decided by authority of any individual, but by empirical evidence and logic. But a phenomenon that is unpredictable, purposely evasive, and defies our known laws of physics, might be outside the providence of science in that it is not amenable to the scientific process, at least not with today’s technology and in terms of today’s paradigm of reality. We can use the scientific method to scrutinize the data from sightings, such as radar data, burnt ground where a UFO landed, radiation sickness and burns on people who have had close encounters, etc, and this will help us to understand the phenomenon, but I think that it is a huge puzzle of which we only have a few pieces here and a couple of fragments there, certainly not enough to see the larger picture in the type of clarity we would like.
The reality of the phenomenon is undeniable. Its exact nature leaves plenty of room for debate.


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Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]



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