posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 11:51 AM
As of last night, I had gone through this entire thread, and while it was entertaining to see how people from both sides of the "coin" felt, I
couldn't help but think the going back and forth was nothing more then mental masturbation.
By this I mean, either you agree or you don't. Either you like the way things are going, or you don't. But this thread left me wondering, it left me
with a feeling of "ok, 6+ pages of thoughts and ideas but no action".
There have been a few people in this thread that have stated they came from poor, uneducated, and big families who's parents worked as hard as they
could so that they could help their kids make a better life then they had.
Then we had people who say they started a business, then couldn't even keep it and now don't own it anymore.
We have people saying "the system works I am happy we have the system we have in place, if you work hard you can make it from the bottom and not have
to be a common worker"
Then we have people saying "the system cannot work without people being at the bottom, and there will always be a bottom."
Both of these are essentially right, are they not? We see it everyday. But regardless how you feel on the topic, all this is pointless if you aren't
doing anything to either attempt to change it or fix it. The guy who worked hard and got a business up-and-going, used the system to his advantage.
The guy complaining he can't get ahead obviously didn't, due to what ever the reason might be. Through experiences of multiple people, we
essentially have proof of both facts. But then that in itself creates a paradox.
Everyone technically does have a "chance". No matter how poor you are, if you are born able bodied and able minded, you essentially have a
"chance" to make enough of yourself that you don't have to grind 9 to 5. There are tons, and tons of examples of people who were either born broke,
disabled or had gone through countless traumas in their life and still made it to the top, I can cite if needed. But then, this is where the current
paradox takes place, while everyone has a "chance", without "workers" or a "bottom" class, if you will, most people wouldn't be able to make it
to the top because you would still need workers below you. There can be no top without a bottom. So if everyone has a chance to make it to the top why
is it that there is even a bottom at all? Because not everyone who has a chance, has a chance to make it. By the time you realize you had a chance,
for most people it's too late. Kids, dead end job, bills, laziness, disability, debt, lack of education. But even then, you have a choice. With the
right decisions, you can still do something. That doesn't mean you will make it to the top, that is as much dependent on other people as it is to
you. A form of game theory if you will, in the sense that your success will be directly dependent on what other people do, and what other people do
(concerning you) will be dependent on your success. Basically, what I am saying is, in my opinion you essentially have a "chance" but the amount of
"chance" everyone has is substantially dependent on many aspects of their lives they can't control.
I see both sides of the argument, and agree with them both, to an extent. The system is not perfect, in my opinion with every variation of the system
there will be tons of problems. I am happy with the current system more or less, but that doesn't mean I am opposed to change. Everything can be
improved upon, but just remember, with every iteration eventually comes problems from a different source. People like to exploit. No matter what it
is, people will find a way to exploit it. No matter how controlled, uncontrolled, programmed, or fixed something is, somebody will eventually find a
way to exploit it. Casinos, video games, computers, jobs, government, cable, drugs, slavery ect. ect.
While I will always be open to new changes, this brings me back to my original point, if you aren't doing anything to try and change the way the
system is working, then what is the point arguing back and forth? What is this accomplishing? You can either be the guy who makes it to the top, or
you can be the guy who doesn't like the current system and tries to fix it. You can be the guy at a dead end job arguing Marxist points and a
completely free trade market system, or you can be the guy who does something to try and change the way things are going to the way you think they
should be going.
I am not bashing anyone's ideas as I can see where all 20 sides are coming from, I'm simply asking a question. I see points from all sides, and they
are more or less all contrived with properties that are right in some way. But the thing is, if you want to make something better I just want to know
not what you propose we do, but what you are doing.