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Government health insurance option appears doomed

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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senior House Democrats have largely abandoned hopes of including a government-run insurance option in the final compromise health care bill taking shape, according to several officials, and are pushing for other measures to rein in private insurers.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other senior Democrats told President Barack Obama in recent meetings they want the legislation to strip the insurance industry of a long-standing exemption from federal antitrust laws, officials said. That provision is in the House-passed measure, but was omitted from the bill that the Senate passed on Christmas Eve.

They also want the final measure to include a House-passed proposal for a nationwide insurance exchange, to be regulated by the federal government, where consumers could shop for private coverage. The Senate bill calls for a state-based system of exchanges.

Additionally, House Democrats want to require insurers to spend a minimum amount of premium income on benefits, thereby limiting what is available for salaries, bonuses, advertising and other items. The House bill sets the floor at 85 percent; the Senate-passed measure lowers it to 80 percent for policies sold to small groups and individuals.


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Well America, prepare to become screwed like you never have before. Healthcare reform, if it continues the way it is will bankrupt your country and strip you of any right you have left when it comes to your health, and insuring it.

I can't believe you all fell for this crap and that nobody is standing up, or that not EVERYBODY is standing up to fight this and remove these scum. This should really be the final straw. Your health america, say goodbye to it.

~Keeper

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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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I have to disagree with your assessment that nobody is standing against this. Almost 70% of the country opposes it and it is inilaterally opposed by the Republicans. The problem is that the Democrats just don't care what the majority thinks and are ramming it through regardless. They will pay dearly in November of 2010 and I expect it to be repealed before the end of 2011.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I can't believe you all fell for this crap and that nobody is standing up, or that not EVERYBODY is standing up to fight this and remove these scum. This should really be the final straw. Your health america, say goodbye to it.

~Keeper



What nonsense, the federal government has the right to limit or force businesses to behave certain ways, but the Federal Government has no right putting their nose into my personal health. They have no right trying to force states to do what they (the federal government) demand. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT! I'm glad they aren't listening to those radicals who claim the federal government has the right to force slavery unto the people. Lets see if this is another ploy, all I can say, federal forced insurance will become law only Over My Dead Body, and tens of millions of Americans feel exactly the same way!


--Charles Marcello

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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Are you surprised? Really?

When a reporter told Cheney 70% of the people oppose going into

Iraq , what did he say?

Basically to perform a sex act in a head warming device.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Well America, prepare to become screwed like you never have before. Healthcare reform, if it continues the way it is will bankrupt your country and strip you of any right you have left when it comes to your health, and insuring it.

I can't believe you all fell for this crap and that nobody is standing up, or that not EVERYBODY is standing up to fight this and remove these scum. This should really be the final straw. Your health america, say goodbye to it.
[edit on 1/9/2010 by tothetenthpower]


The healthcare reform plan was doomed the minute they decided to cut down the public option and then take it out completely. But then again that is what conservatives wanted? Healthcare reform without any option for supporting those unfortunate 40 million with pre-existing conditions and unable to afford todays corporate healthcare. Hold on, you didnt want healthcare reform at all?

In my opinion we were already screwed and have been for more than 40 years now. The corporations had been raising the cost of healthcare by the year, weeding out folks with pre-existing conditions and cheating folks out in loopholes when the unfortunate day comes of the need for medical treatment. We have the highest cost of healthcare in the western world and ranked below costa rica for goodness sakes in healthcare treatment.

I find it insulting that you claim "we're only being screwed now". We have always been screwed through healthcare in this country. Some people have just been too ignorant to see it, or politically blind.

SG

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
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I have to disagree with your assessment that nobody is standing against this. Almost 70%


Are you talking about the healthcare plan at current, not the one proposed at the beginning of the year? Yes I will agree with you if thats the case.


The problem is that the Democrats just don't care what the majority thinks


I disagree. I'd say that some Democrats dont care what the majority thinks as the same for Republicans. There have been good representitives out there rallying for the kind of reform the majority wants but unfortantely there are enough corrupted politicians in DC to sway away true progress for the middle and lower classes. Take lieberman, Max Baucus, Fox and so forth. Examples of the few politicians that are turning their backs on the majority.

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by littlebunny
 


Are you surprised? Really?

When a reporter told Cheney 70% of the people oppose going into

Iraq , what did he say?

Basically to perform a sex act in a head warming device.



Even though this is completely off topic, what a complete bastardization of history!!! All but two people in Congress voted for the War against Iraq... it was only after President Bush showed weakness did all these lies about what the People were saying about the Iraqi War started coming forward. And that sex act was committed by Clinton... Your above quote is pure nonsense!


Now, I will agree that President Bush told 80% of America to go get bent with regards to illegal immigration amnesty, and thankfully We The People stood up and he and Congress lost... But then, President Bush became a traitor when he told the entire country… the entire country… to get bent when he stole trillions of dollars from our children when he said, "I don't care what the people want, I'm going to give the auto industry that money." However, when it comes to the War with Iraq, your above quote is simply not even close to being true.


Oh, should I bring up all the lies President Obama has committed in his first year, where is your sex in hat statement with regards to his "we are pulling out of Iraq," nonsense? Or open transparency, and all the other promises he has broken in less then one year?


--Charles Marcello


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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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I must say its this issue that really make me sad for my brothers and sisters south of the border. A country like your should have amazing health care and you deserve it. I don't understand the issue entirely but I think health care should be a right in any country. I know our system isn't great but I prefer paying a tax so nobody has to mortgage their house to get care.

I hope everything works out in the end for all of you lovely americans. If not then I hope in time the whole mess can be mended.

Cheers



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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My friend , You can pull up what ever you choose.

When , 1 day, you realize there is no difference between parties, I will

actually care what you write.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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The loss of a public option or even extending Medicare to those 55 is a disgrace. People can yell socialism and death panels al they want, but the truth of the matter is the politicians sold their soul to the insurance companies.

Sure, the Republicans think this will help them next election, but they might be in for a surprise. A lot of the Reagan Republicans and moderates like myself will probably never vote for a Republican or a blue dog democrat again in their lifetime.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by tothetenthpower
 


I have to disagree with your assessment that nobody is standing against this. Almost 70% of the country opposes it and it is inilaterally opposed by the Republicans. The problem is that the Democrats just don't care what the majority thinks and are ramming it through regardless. They will pay dearly in November of 2010 and I expect it to be repealed before the end of 2011.


Ohh I agree with your assessment of people opposing it, I think you all should be rioting in the streets that's all. Just saying I don't like it, really has done nothing for you guys it seems.

There needs to be a bigger voice, a movement, something that people can see. Otherwise your just blowing hot air.

The government needs to be afraid of the people.

~Keeper



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian


The healthcare reform plan was doomed the minute they decided to cut down the public option and then take it out completely. But then again that is what conservatives wanted?



That is simply not true... Healthcare "reform" was doomed from the start once the Federal Government tried forcing its will onto the States and the people! They have zero right! Healthcare is a state issue, just like car insurance is. And that is exactly what States will need to do to pass this universal healthcare!


The Federal Government must NEVER have that kind of power over peoples lives.... they must never! That is why it was doomed from the beginning! And those 40 million people you leftist keep screaming about... They have access to healthcare. You might be surprised to learn I am uninsured, and I will be damned if the Federal Government has any right to my personal health. My wife is insured because she has serious health issues... While I'm relatively healthy. We pay for it out of our pockets, over six hundred bucks a month now... and I will be damned if the federal government will force its way into my life with the promise it will cost me less... Because history has proven, though that might be true in the short term, in the long term We The People will become slaves. And that will happen only over my dead body! Congress had better be serious about what they have just said, because I know I sure as hell am, and so are tens of millions of other Americans.


--Charles Marcello



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny
Even though this is completely off topic, what a complete bastardization of history!!! All but two people in Congress voted for the War against Iraq...


Although this is going somewhat off topic I must correct you there. I could think of Barack Obama, Ron Paul, Fiengold, Kennedy to name afew. I will agree though that many Republicans and Democrats supported the war.


Oh, should I bring up all the lies President Obama has committed in his first year, where is your sex in hat statement with regards to his "we are pulling out of Iraq," nonsense?


Obamas campaign promise in 2008 was to withdraw troops from Iraq by end of 2011 and that has always been his campaign promise. That wasnt a lie, atleast not yet.

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny
That is simply not true... Healthcare "reform" was doomed from the start once the Federal Government tried forcing its will onto the States and the people!


The majority of americans have been pushing for healthcare reform for years and finally somebody decided to put up a proposal. Nobody was being forced into anything and if you are to assume living under this cheat of a healthcare system by the corporations is what americans had been satisfied with, you have another thing coming.


Healthcare is a state issue, just like car insurance is.


Healthcare is a constitutional general welfare issue. The worth of our lives should not be equaled to some insurance policy. What kind of mentality do you have?

In the late 18th century there was debate about whether the federal government should send in aid to the haitian people and this passed with the help of references to the general welfare claim in the constitution. This was during the time many of the founding fathers were still alive. Take into mind that "healthcare" was not considered a matter of insurance policy during that time either neither was it a states issue.


The Federal Government must NEVER have that kind of power over peoples lives....


What power? Nobody is stopping you from staying on your corporate healthcare. If you choose to put your life in the hands of the money making corporations you do that. This healthcare proposal at the start never intended to force you to go anything. If you say I am wrong, feel free to reference me apart of the bill.


And those 40 million people you leftist keep screaming about... They have access to healthcare.


Those 40 million people either consists of those who have pre-existing conditions that are virtually unacceptable to private healthcare corporations, or simply cannot afford it.

Feel free to name me one healthcare insurance company in lets say kentucky that will accept you with a pre-existing condition.


You might be surprised to learn I am uninsured, and I will be damned if the Federal Government has any right to my personal health.


Wonderful. I'd assume you are more than capable of affording those healthcare costs. A trip to the doctor for me already takes up a portion of my income so I cannot be as fortunate as you neither can millions of other americans.

A man working in a low wage job earning $450 a week has to make way to keep up with premium costs for him and his family which can already take up a large porition of his earnings. Even with his partner earning the same amount, its still costly and a burder to the family.

We have a healthcare issue in this country and denial is not going to solve it.


My wife is insured because she has serious health issues... While I'm relatively healthy. We pay for it out of our pockets, over six hundred bucks a month now...


And you are to assume we are all able to afford that $600 a month? Your using this as the basis for the argument to claim we can afford it? That we all are in the same income gap as you? Thats a very big generalization to cite as evidence.

SG

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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triple post again sorry

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by littlebunny
 


My friend , You can pull up what ever you choose.

When , 1 day, you realize there is no difference between parties, I will

actually care what you write.




And if you have ever read what I have written, you would know I already know that is true. It boils down to those who believe in Freedom and those who believe in Government forcing We The People to become slaves. You seem to be against freedom and wanting to become a slave, so I doubt I will actually care what you write either.


--Charles Marcello



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by littlebunny
Even though this is completely off topic, what a complete bastardization of history!!! All but two people in Congress voted for the War against Iraq...


Although this is going somewhat off topic I must correct you there. I could think of Barack Obama,



ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Barack Obama wasn't even in Congress back then. Like I said, a complete Bastardization of history!


--Charles Marcello



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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The GOVERNMENT cannot and has not ever given you rights. EVER.

They can only take them away. End of story.



THE endisnighe



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Barack Obama wasn't even in Congress back then. Like I said, a complete Bastardization of history!


History is always rewritten by tyrants and liars. It was kind of a ridiculous post wasn't it?



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by littlebunny
ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Barack Obama wasn't even in Congress back then.


He wasnt but he opposed it and even went so far as to speak in public against it. I also already cited you three people who voted against the Iraq war.

All in all a total of 21 democrats, one republican and one independent voted against the Iraq war in the senate. All in all over 150 congressional members opposed the war. You claimed that all but two supported the war in Iraq. Who is messing around with history here??

[edit on 9-1-2010 by Southern Guardian]



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