posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 05:31 PM
Well this argument is from Empedocles who is considered the founder of Being versus Nonbeing -- the idea that nothingness can not exist.
But, in fact, the issue is one of symmetry. So logically all our thoughts and perceptions are from the I-thought. If we repeat I-I-I to see where
the I-thought comes from we can then logically infer that consciousness exists even though there is no thoughts.
Logical inference means that there's no word to describe Being yet at the same time it is not nothing.
The reason this doesn't make sense in Western logic is because the axioms are based on symmetry. This comes from Vedic mathematics -- so the concept
of "zero" as nothing relies on symmetry.
But what if the PROCESS of looking for zero in itself creates something -- in other words "one" is not really a number because of the inherent
asymmetric resonance of number itself.
In nonwestern music the ratio 2:3 is C to G while the ratio 3:4 is G to C. This violates the symmetry of Western logic whereby A x B = B x A.
So the concept of "nothingness" is already predicated on the inherent symmetry of "something" -- which then defines zero and infinity, as per
In contrast in Pythagorean and Taoist logic -- one plus one does not equal 2 -- so there is no zero -- but there is an infinite asymmetric resonance
of complementary opposites.
In quantum physics you find the same paradox called the Time-Frequency Uncertainty Principle. So there is a fundamental uncertainty -- it's not
random -- it means that reality does not exist until we measure it. Yet we can INFER that reality exists -- even as instantaneous entanglement of
So in logic we do not have to depend on technology to measure after the fact the reality of "something" -- using symmetric math! In quantum logic
is it recognized that true reality is not symmetric, just as was the case in Pythagorean logic and also Taoist logic. The three gunas of Vedic yoga
philosophy are another example -- nonwestern music models reality as an eternal LISTENING process so that everything is consciousness as when light
reverses its phase to reverse time itself. If you have instant communication then space is transcended as well - and only consciousness exists with
spacetime as a holograph.
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